PaintTinJr
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Is that just the US, or including Japan and the UK - and wealthy parts of the EU too? I would expect it to just be the US and poorer regions or at least excluding the UK/Japan.
Xbox Series X | S Estimated to Have Sold 37 million units
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demigod
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It's like double 10m less.
Target had it for $349 last Black Friday here in the USA. With the tariffs this year I doubt we'll get those discounts again.
Codes 208
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Youre right, for some reason i was thinking 47m not 37m
They did a die shrink for the Series X and raised prices, should be profitable now.
Dr. Wilkinson
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literally never done that. Nice try, tho! Perhaps you're referring to someone else
Dr. Wilkinson
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It's become a lot more difficult in the current generation of consoles for costs to come down throughout the cycle, as they used to back 10-20 years ago. Hence the lack of price drops like we used to have.
Covid. Supply chain disruption. Inflation. Difficulty sourcing rare minerals. Rising costs of freight. And now tariffs.
There won't be permanent price drops of current consoles. In fact as we've seen they are going up. The last platform holders to hold out on raising prices in the US for current-gen are Nintendo and PS.
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AREYOUOKAY?
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That's the one.
Also that box is deceivingly cheapish. It's basically just a cover over the original Series X box. Then again I suppose I should be thankful for that in this case.
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reinking
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That was meant more as a general statement. Also, I do not want to imply that K KeplerL2 or
Welfare
are cherry picking their data in this thread. I believe both are interpreting the information they have and have come to varying conclusions. Now, are there posters that will cherry-pick from those sources and others? 
IMO, when it comes to the costs of consoles, I am mostly thinking about the sustainability for both console manufactures and cost to consumers. If console manufacturers can keep prices low to consumers and maintain their presence and performance, I don't care what they pay to build them or if consoles are sold as a loss leader. I am concerned that as prices continue to increase, we are going to lose the lower-mid tier income gaming segment. Maybe they will go to PC or maybe they will go to phones (or maybe I am overthinking it?). I would hate to see video game consumer numbers take a nose dive because it is getting too expensive and leaving people behind.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That'll be very smart on their behalf. Good plan.
That was meant more as a general statement. Also, I do not want to imply that K KeplerL2 or
IMO, when it comes to the costs of consoles, I am mostly thinking about the sustainability for both console manufactures and cost to consumers. If console manufacturers can keep prices low to consumers and maintain their presence and performance, I don't care what they pay to build them or if consoles are sold as a loss leader. I am concerned that as prices continue to increase, we are going to lose the lower-mid tier income gaming segment. Maybe they will go to PC or maybe they will go to phones (or maybe I am overthinking it?). I would hate to see video game consumer numbers take a nose dive because it is getting too expensive and leaving people behind.
This is why the $500 price point should not be crossed. Nintendo didn't do it, and neither should Sony with the PS6!
Topher
Identifies as young
That was meant more as a general statement. Also, I do not want to imply that K KeplerL2 or
IMO, when it comes to the costs of consoles, I am mostly thinking about the sustainability for both console manufactures and cost to consumers. If console manufacturers can keep prices low to consumers and maintain their presence and performance, I don't care what they pay to build them or if consoles are sold as a loss leader. I am concerned that as prices continue to increase, we are going to lose the lower-mid tier income gaming segment. Maybe they will go to PC or maybe they will go to phones (or maybe I am overthinking it?). I would hate to see video game consumer numbers take a nose dive because it is getting too expensive and leaving people behind.
I don't think anyone was cherry picking here. Not sure why that was ever brought up (not by you, I know).
Yeah, I think it is in everyone's interest for consoles to be sustainable. I'm not sure the lack of competition is in anyone's best interests though. Competition drove prices down and kept complacency at bay, but higher prices is almost certain and I'm not exactly seeing fire from Sony or MS. Not like in the past anyway.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, true, there was no tariff in 2022.
Astray
Member
Platform entrenchment means that you don't get a fresh start every gen like it used to be.
It's one thing to knowingly lose money upfront in pursuit of user acquisition in a landscape where we all essentially reset to square 1, but the worst outcome is you both lose money AND don't acquire new users. Which is actually sort of what happened with Xbox this gen. Yes there are other reasons behind this too, but it still happened.
The other side of this coin is even GPU manufacturers don't give big performance uplifts to lower-tier SKUs of new lineups like they used to. So that trickles down to the console segment too.
Not just tariffs, NAND wafer prices etc are not a constant, they go up and down and affect whether you're profiting or not.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Pedro Motta
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They haven't made any significant revisions to the hardware in 5 years. Doubt the price of manufacturing has declined given the current events.
Gamer King
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37 million shipped definitely seems to be in the optimistic range, but looking at all the data less than 30m is implausible.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No significant physical revisions but they've reduced chip size over the year(s) which usually results in cheaper price per unit.
And if you take Kepler on his word, he said the same earlier in this thread:
UltimaKilo
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To this day, I don't understand the hate XBOX gets on GAF. Ironically enough, I have been gaming since Atari and this gen (outside of the Switch), the Xbox has received the vast majority of my gaming time.
Bridges
Member
It's a shame, really. Series X is a great console. Phil has repeatedly said he doesn't want Xbox to be just a green PlayStation but Gamepass is really the only differentiator now, especially with most games going multiplat. I understand why it's tough sell to sell hardware in the current state of things. Really curious to see what next gen looks like for them and if they're able to get some momentum back at all
Spitfire098
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<30 million...
Baemono
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You have Phil and Microsoft PR (+ online people paid by Microsoft) saying stuff that are easily debunkable, and when people fact-check them, they're being called haters.
tylrdiablos
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Let's be honest, "estimated" means practically nothing in this context.
Unless Microsoft release official sales numbers you might as well say "estimated sales now at 14 billion". Same result/amount of substance.
Unless Microsoft release official sales numbers you might as well say "estimated sales now at 14 billion". Same result/amount of substance.
ChorizoPicozo
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the "hate" goes beyond this site. it's a state of being for the Xbox brand.
Yekshemesh
Member
obnoxious fanboys and paid shills, inept morons at the helm posing as your gamer uncle.
what's not to hate.
its a joy to watch these idiots having the same hype/deflate/collapse cycle gen in gen out.
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Doesn't seem implausible to me. Sales have completely cratered in Europe and they've been down every quarter in the US since 2023. We already know the Series consoles are doing worse than the XB1 consoles so it's not really surprising to hear they are below 30 million units sold worldwide. This is their worst generation ever in my opinion. With the original Xbox console back in the day you could argue they were the new kid on the block going against the juggernaut that was the PS2 but this gen it's been nothing but incompetence and failure from Xbox leadership and MS.
Yekshemesh
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LordCBH
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hubertuss03
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Take Two reported 107M console as of December 2024. 75M PS5 was at the end of 2024 so gives around 32M Xbox.
But earlier Take Two report talked about 94M consoles as of November 2024. 65.5M PS5 was at end of September 2024 (probably around 68m in November) so Xbox should be at around 26M -> It's impossible Xbox sales were ~6M within one month.
It's something weird about these Take Two reports.
Personally I not believe in 37M Xbox Series. Around 32M is my bet.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
Even with the inflated numbers (37m), it's not even half of what ps5 has sold. And this is despite buying up ABK, having astroturfers, controlling the media, having the largest amount of fanboys shilling for the platform and giving out "free games" on gamepass.
Fucking embarrassing.
Might as well inflate the numbers further to 50m to make yourself sleep better at night.
Fucking embarrassing.
Might as well inflate the numbers further to 50m to make yourself sleep better at night.
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The Mad Draklor
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PropellerEar
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GHG
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If you're going to crawl out of the woodwork at least try to get your facts straight.
I'd also like to say that they are citing a market research firm, instead of using numbers directly from manufacturers (which they will have access to should they wish).
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
UltimaKilo
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You can say the same thing of these strange kids who meltdown because Sony is going 3rd party or if you criticize Sony for their lack of output in what has been their worst generation thus far.
I really don't follow that stuff closely, nor the social media stuff a lot of you do. I can admit that this has been my favorite Microsoft console to date, although I did not have an xbox last gen because it was so bad, but I did own the 360 and OG XBOX. All that other stuff childish does not make me dislike the UI or performance of the Series X or the amazing time I have had with 1st party games.
I don't remember another generation where so many grown men argued over which console was better. They all have theirs strengths and weaknesses.
jm89
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Waiting for jez though
demigod
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He went from 37M to now over 30M, fucking hilarious.
So he didn't know how to read the SCBU report and now calling it an ad hominem on his estimates which is nowhere close to 37M. Weird they are attacking K KeplerL2 over there yet continuously use him as a source for leaks.
lol, best contribution you've done for the thread.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Gamer King
Neo Member
I don't disagree it's doing badly (basically Microsoft gave up at this point), but there's enough data to say it's above 30 million.
Hector Hall
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AMD's 100M was a milestone figure, not a direct announcement that only 100M Gen 9's were sold so far. If you wanted that figure to be right, you'd be saying XBS is only at 25M end of 2024.
Official Microsoft data had XBS at +21M early 2023.
From July 2023 to December 2024, XBS sold through 5.3M in just the US. XBS would be at, bare minimum, +26.4M without any other regions sales data for that same time frame. The 100M was, once again, just a milestone announcement.
26.4 end of 2024 +nearly nothing in 2025 still puts it closer to 30 that nonsenses as 37.
S0ULZB0URNE
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So it barely moved units since 2023.AMD's 100M was a milestone figure, not a direct announcement that only 100M Gen 9's were sold so far. If you wanted that figure to be right, you'd be saying XBS is only at 25M end of 2024.
Official Microsoft data had XBS at +21M early 2023.
From July 2023 to December 2024, XBS sold through 5.3M in just the US. XBS would be at, bare minimum, +26.4M without any other regions sales data for that same time frame. The 100M was, once again, just a milestone announcement.
GHG
Member
He went from 37M to now over 30M, fucking hilarious.
So he didn't know how to read the SCBU report and now calling it an ad hominem on his estimates which is nowhere close to 37M. Weird they are attacking K KeplerL2 over there yet continuously use him as a source for leaks.
lol, best contribution you've done for the thread.
Well at least it looks like he's started accounting for the existence of the Steam Deck as far as AMD's numbers are concerned, so it's progress I guess.
Topher
Identifies as young
We don't even AI to tell us this isn't a hard fact. Only MS knows the factual numbers so anything outside of MS revealing them amounts to nothing more than guesstimates and assumptions.
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Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
OK. 30,000,001 units sold Ltd.
Topher
Identifies as young
Somehow this debate shifted from < 29 vs 37 to <29 vs 30.
GHG
Member
adamsapple
and that tolerlive guy quickly went and bought 10 consoles to push it over the threshold.