Uno Venova
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No, but I don't see why they would, already impressive numbers and supplies are already starting to get constrained.
Sony: "over a million" PS4 preorders to date
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don't think Sony can manufacturer that many for launch day
TheOneWhoKnocks
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spectre_assassin
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People who say 1 million pre orders for a console is low obviously know 0 about the console gaming industry!
The number is insane!
The number is insane!
True. I have the feeling that this is the first console release on GAF ever... 1 million is indeed fantastic.
Secretarial Dog
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I think I remember the SNES having 1.5 Million Pre-orders.
Some further comments by Fergal Gara of Sony UK.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4s...-orders_are_way_over_that_of_ps2_and_ps3.html
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4s...-orders_are_way_over_that_of_ps2_and_ps3.html
SteveO1683
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From using the googles I saw a PSU thread that linked back to a NeoGAF thread that listed out the console sales from Oct 2000 to May 2006. PS2 looks to have done about 391k in its launch month, 187k in November, and 522k in December.
dragonelite
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TBH i expected more in the range of 3 million preorders with the amount of hype the ps4 was having at E3 
NorthernAvengeR
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Glad I preordered during E3. Sounds like they might run into supply at launch unless they've found the Star Forge and are using it to pump out PS4s.
Barack Lesnar
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I agree. The iPad and iPhone each sell millions on day one, I expected at least 2 mil+ for PS4. Then you think the X1 might have like 500k, that's just dreadful. Maybe I'm influenced too much by the Apple numbers idk.
E: And remember the iPad you have to pay the real price, it's not subsidized by a cell phone contract, so there's no excuse really.
Well.
According to an editor of MCV:
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/369759134125539328
And this was before Sony's presser.
dapperbandit
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Let's just hope supply survives demand.
PdotMichael
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Pre-orders are not the complete first day sales. There is still time left and the retail market will sale a significantly amount of PS4s.
The >1m pre-orders are impressive.
It really is a lot. Both PS2 and PS3 pre-orders were significantly lower. You are saying: 1 in 75 customers buy the PS4, so 74/75 customers are 'uncertain' and not convinced.
What if I put it the other way around? 74/75 is so satisfied with PlayStation 3, that they do not feel the instant need to upgrade to PlayStation 4... but when the moment to actually buy a new console gets there, well, it probably won't be an Xbox One.
It just depends on the way you look at it. The only advertising PlayStation 4 has had so far was from Gamescom + E3 articles... but those are directed at the 'hardcore gamer'. Basically, all the true 'standard media' coverage Sony has had would have been these kind of articles:
In February, "Sony announces new PlayStation" + few matches "Be the first to know. Feb 20."
In June, "Sony announces PS4 for $399, undercuts competitor"
In August, "Sony launches new PlayStation in November"
Articles like "Sony announces The Order: 1886" won't be read by 'the casuals'. The customers who will make the platform a success, they read the standard news media. They watch the news at their (local) news station, they read their favourite local news paper. Those people don't stay up, or get up early to follow a Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo press conference.
No console will ever do 5 million pre orders, not because the appeal isent there, but because production is not there. No company will launch with 5 million units available, because if they could launch, they would just launch a couple of months earlier with only 1-2 million consoles. No company is going to wait for the factories to produce, package and ship 5 million consoles, its bad business.
Its far more important to hit the holiday season, than hit some big pre order number.
The PS4 over 1 million pre orders is astronomical in this industry, especially since we are still months away from launch, marketing has yet to begin and hit the mainstream and Japan is not counted at all.
You are really influenced too much by Apple numbers. Apple's sales figures are really... exotic. That said, the product pushing their brand is the iPhone. And lots of people see advertisements "iPhone, now $99 with AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile". The stupid thing is... lots of people actually do believe the product only costs $99. They don't realize that they are basically paying for it every month. I know that, you probably know that too, but lots of people don't.
iPad sales numbers? Driven by iPhone sales. If iPhone sales drop, iPad sales will drop too.
Also, the PS4 and a smartphone/tablet are two completely different devices. I mean, they both do multimedia but you use them in a completely different way.
I bet PS4 sales numbers would rise even more in the United States if Sony made a deal with AT&T/T-Mobile/Verizon. Imagine an AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile commercial: "Faster is better. AT&T has the fastest 4G LTE network for your PlayStation 4. Enjoy online gaming, the most awesome music and the best TV-series and films. PlayStation 4: $0."
Providers would earn something like $600, Sony would - if they made a good deal - earn $400. Everybody profits: customers think they got the PS4 for a cheap price, Sony sells more PS4s and the telecom provider also earns money.
Really begs the question what kind of numbers MS is doing with the Xbox One, considering how reactionary they have been, these FIFA bundles for Europe could signal that they have had very low pre order numbers in Europe, so they whipped out of the wallet and had to pay EA for some FIFA games.
If you see no launch free game bundles for North America then that must mean they are doing fine there.
If you see no launch free game bundles for North America then that must mean they are doing fine there.
dapperbandit
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This talk of 70 million PS3 total sales is obviously at the end of an almsot 8 year life cycle.
That's the total sales across all consumer groups.
Your early adopters, people that have pre-ordered and will be there day one are only a section of the whole consumer base. there will be some pre-orders that fall through or aren't picked up but a million on day one is a lot.
As the price drops and games stop coming out for current gen, a lot of people will pick up the new console. This is a big group, probably the biggest.
Then you have your late adopters, people who pick up a console right at the end of it's life cycle. This is a bigger group than you might imagine, and it's why Sony does things like announce price drops for the PS3 slim.
All of these make up a portion of sales that take a long time to reach the tens of millions people talk about.
1 million before release is a big deal.
That's the total sales across all consumer groups.
Your early adopters, people that have pre-ordered and will be there day one are only a section of the whole consumer base. there will be some pre-orders that fall through or aren't picked up but a million on day one is a lot.
As the price drops and games stop coming out for current gen, a lot of people will pick up the new console. This is a big group, probably the biggest.
Then you have your late adopters, people who pick up a console right at the end of it's life cycle. This is a bigger group than you might imagine, and it's why Sony does things like announce price drops for the PS3 slim.
All of these make up a portion of sales that take a long time to reach the tens of millions people talk about.
1 million before release is a big deal.
Osiris
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Interesting thought to ponder, if the PS4's pre-orders are a million+ and the Xbox One is truely tracking at 20% to 25% of that... Ouch for Microsoft
3rdamention
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I find it pretty entertaining as well. "That is not a lot, I thought it would be much more the way GAF was talking!" "But, but, most of those are just scalpers!" "Sony was doing unlimited preorders for a while and they only have 1 million? Thats it?"
It would be pretty simple to spin these numbers if we knew how many preorders Microsoft had, but we dont. At least you would have factual data to prove that 1 million isn't a lot in comparison to the main competitors numbers.
I will continue to read and enjoy though. It makes this thread more fun than it really should be.
Katana_Strikes
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Interesting that it's tracking above both those machines. PS2 was huge and out of stock for a while and PS3 was big straight out the gate before slowing.
I think over 1 million is a huge amount of pre-orders for a console. Hopefully Sony can deliver on a good supply for after launch as well. And I'm glad the UK may be coming around again. That's encouraging.
Well.
According to an editor of MCV:
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/369759134125539328
And this was before Sony's presser.
Well there's your reason for the reactionary bundle. But it was easy to put 2 and 2 together for that anyways.
You do have to wonder how many pre-orders have for the XBone to try and spur people to pre-order like this. As it won't be cheap to offer this deal, on top of potentially losing money already on every machine.
bigbaldwolf86
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This quote from Ferga Gara seems to confirm what all know
GTP_Daverytimes
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Jesus whats happening to gaf, when people starT comparing PRE-ORDER numbers to consoles that have been on the market for 7-13 years then something is seriously wrong.
Anecdotally people I speak to about the Xbone just can't get over the UK launch price. Most will either hang off and see how the 'console wars' pan out while many others are just totally turned off the unit as a whole.
While it's in the same range as the PS3's launch price the PS3 at least had a (then still new) Blu Ray player included. Now you can buy cheap off brand Blu Ray players from your local supermarket for well under £70.
I've never seen a console more doomed from the outset than the WiiU. Even it's unveiling at E3 was utterly baffling. Is that an add on for the Wii? Is that the new console? The following year was even worse.
People give MS a hard time for the way they've handled the Xbone thus far but Nintendo's handling of the WIiU was even worse. It wasn't incompetence, it was as if they just didn't care and had nothing but apathy of the WiiU.
It's not as if the WiiU had a build up of hype and then fizzled. No one gave it a chance months before it was even released.
Yes, your double-down obviously impacts that numbers dramatically
SentryDown
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1 million is really huge for a console launching in more than 3 months, if I remember well PS2 only sold 500k units on its first day
jordan0386
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Sony number is tracking to be great. But that doesnt mean that the X1 number isnt in line with industry avg.
400k X1 pre-orders is would not be a bad number. At least, I wouldnt think so.
400k X1 pre-orders is would not be a bad number. At least, I wouldnt think so.
Captain Tuttle
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Ugh, ouch!Well.
According to an editor of MCV:
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/369759134125539328
And this was before Sony's presser.
Punkster_NY
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I don't know about anyone else but Sony getting over a million pre-orders in just under the 3 month mark is damn impressive to me.
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Fifa is really huge in europe? How much does it sell there?
Last year's FIFA 13 sold 4.22 million units. In comparison, last year's Call of Duty Black Ops 2 sold 3.98 million units.
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The Abominable Snowman
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I don't think there was another gaming console release that ever got a million in preorders, especially this far before release.
I'm impressed.
A million pre-orders sounds low because Sony hasn't managed to guarantee that every one of those million gets a console day one. If they had said 3 million, you'd understand why some people will have to wait. Now, less than one million ready for launch, that seems not much for a console that should be easy to produce.
0%. Not a single consumer PS4 has failed up to this point.
Because not a single consumer has one
Drake
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Obviously that's a wait and see scenario. I got screwed over with my original PS2 because of the DVD failure which many people had(I bought this around launch time). This gen I waited 2 years before I bought my PS3. It's still going strong today. I'll probably wait until November 2014 to get my PS4.
zomgbbqftw
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Well.
According to an editor of MCV:
https://twitter.com/Chris_Dring/status/369759134125539328
And this was before Sony's presser.
Yup. UK Xbone pre-orders are horrifically bad.
Iorv3th
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Remember that Pre-orders have been cut off at most locations as well (all but I think wal-mart in the US as they just started taking them, which should be a significant number).
We still have 2.5 months until launch. If you look at game pre-order most people pre-order those within the month the game comes out or the week before. So there could be much larger demand but people are not allowed to pre-order or that they are waiting as they haven't heard much about it yet (no marketing yet really, not much in stores as far as displays or anything to grab publics attention).
Once this system launches. It should sell well over the pre-order amount if they can keep it in stock. Plus christmas presents. Parents never pre-order consoles for a Christmas present (ok some here might but its a very small number).
We still have 2.5 months until launch. If you look at game pre-order most people pre-order those within the month the game comes out or the week before. So there could be much larger demand but people are not allowed to pre-order or that they are waiting as they haven't heard much about it yet (no marketing yet really, not much in stores as far as displays or anything to grab publics attention).
Once this system launches. It should sell well over the pre-order amount if they can keep it in stock. Plus christmas presents. Parents never pre-order consoles for a Christmas present (ok some here might but its a very small number).
Day 1 preorders = just a part of a day 1 sales. Console holders will want to ship enough consoles so that retailers can keep them in stock and on shelves even after day 1.
I'd be pissed though if I had pre-ordered and someone who didn't could get one.
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