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[cormack12]

 

[silent head]

1. Naughty Dog MP game
2. Insomniac Games MP game
3. Guerrilla Games MP game
4.Guerrilla Games mmo
5. Bungie / new ip
6. Destiny 3
7. Gran Turismo 7
8. Twisted Metal
9. Deviation Games project
10. Haven
11. London Studio MP game
12. Firewalk MP game

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

1. Naughty Dog MP game
2. Insomniac Games MP game
3. Guerrilla Games MP game
4.Guerrilla Games mmo
5. Bungie / new ip
6. Destiny 3
7. Gran Turismo 7
8. Twisted Metal
9. Deviation Games project
10. Haven
11. London Studio MP game
12. Firewalk MP game

Yup. They want that Fortnite money. If they release all of this on PC as well (which they will) if they manage a few hits those revenue numbers will easily break all their records.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

If only one of those ten games becomes a megahit, it's still worth it. Successful live service games just print money.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I remember when everyone hated Gaas games and live service content but unfortunately it's where a lot of the money is.

think how microsoft has milked titles like sea of thieves, forza and now halo. Sony has made amazing games but you play them until completion and 99 percent of people move on to rarely return. with the budgets they cost it's just not feasible without having other live service games to bring the steady stream of revenue in.

cant wait for gt7 and I'm confident Sony will do an excellent job starting with tlou multiplayer I just hope the micro transactions aren't as predatory as the past. They have a good idea of how not to do it with the recent halo infinite issues concerning the battle pass.

and stay away from NFTs lol.

 

[Sosokrates]

I look forward to TLOU2 Factions.
I never played the first factions but I remember hearing good things about it.
Not into racing MP or Destiny.
I hope they do some battle royal and some team based games(like sea of thieves)

 

[ZywyPL]

10 different services or 10 different tiers, like different combination of the offering? I don't like the sound of it already, there's already PS+ and PSNow, there's also PS+ Collection that's basically a one&done kind of service, and they want to add 10 more?

I honestly don't think it's gonna be a good proposition, for peope who will want just one certain thing maybe yes, but I image getting a whole offering being quite costly. Imagine if Netflix had multiple services, like one for 1P movies, for 1P series, anime, documentaries, 3P shows, 3P movies etc., and all of that had seoerate services for TV, mobile and PC/laptops... This is what I feel Sony is going after :/

And knowin Sony they'll severely screw it up, like, there will be a service for all their 1P MP games which won't require PS+ to play, but all other games or even the same ones which you own will indeed need PS+.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I remember when everyone hated Gaas games and live service content but unfortunately it's where a lot of the money is.

think how microsoft has milked titles like sea of thieves, forza and now halo. Sony has made amazing games but you play them until completion and 99 percent of people move on to rarely return. with the budgets they cost it's just not feasible without having other live service games to bring the steady stream of revenue in.

cant wait for gt7 and I'm confident Sony will do an excellent job starting with tlou multiplayer I just hope the micro transactions aren't as predatory as the past. They have a good idea of how not to do it with the recent halo infinite issues concerning the battle pass.

and stay away from NFTs lol.

Fortnite, Rocket League… I guess everything from Epic is done right.

 

[Y0ssarian]

Resistance 4: Hale's Revenge

 

[Banjo64]

1. Naughty Dog MP game
2. Insomniac Games MP game
3. Guerrilla Games MP game
4.Guerrilla Games mmo
5. Bungie / new ip
6. Destiny 3
7. Gran Turismo 7
8. Twisted Metal
9. Deviation Games project
10. Haven
11. London Studio MP game
12. Firewalk MP game

Insomniac can make a fun MP game as shown with Resistance. Destiny 3 and Bungie's new IP will also be mega hits, GT7 will also be successful. The rest will be pretty crap.

ND's online is usually good apart from the p2w garbage. Cut that and it's all good.

 

[Concern]

So here we are... the part where "gaas trash" becomes good now.

I know someone is going to crack out all the quotes soon enough lol

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

I can't believe The Last of Us factions isn't out yet or hasn't even had a preview.

 

[Craig of War]

So Sony is now doing everything that GAF hates like Multiplatform release & GAAS & Game Pass competitor

 

[Barakov]

 

[kyliethicc]

1. Naughty Dog MP game
2. Insomniac Games MP game
3. Guerrilla Games MP game
4.Guerrilla Games mmo
5. Bungie / new ip
6. Destiny 3
7. Gran Turismo 7
8. Twisted Metal
9. Deviation Games project
10. Haven
11. London Studio MP game
12. Firewalk MP game

1. GT7
2. The Last of Us multiplayer
3. new IP - Guerrilla
4. new IP - Insomniac
5. new IP - London
6. new IP - Firesprite
7. Helldivers 2
8. new IP - Firewalk
9. new IP - Haven
10. new IP - Deviation

And Bungie.

10 different services or 10 different tiers, like different combination of the offering? I don't like the sound of it already, there's already PS+ and PSNow, there's also PS+ Collection that's basically a one&done kind of service, and they want to add 10 more?

I honestly don't think it's gonna be a good proposition, for peope who will want just one certain thing maybe yes, but I image getting a whole offering being quite costly. Imagine if Netflix had multiple services, like one for 1P movies, for 1P series, anime, documentaries, 3P shows, 3P movies etc., and all of that had seoerate services for TV, mobile and PC/laptops... This is what I feel Sony is going after :/

And knowin Sony they'll severely screw it up, like, there will be a service for all their 1P MP games which won't require PS+ to play, but all other games or even the same ones which you own will indeed need PS+.

Games.

 

[remember_spinal]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sonys-upcoming-multiplayer-games-have-the-ability-to-take-them-to-the-next-level.1628642/

Not sure why no one believed me, i named almost every game

 

[cormack12]

I can't believe The Last of Us factions isn't out yet or hasn't even had a preview.

There were some small leaks in the original TLOU II leak.

Spoiler: Alpha gameplay

Spoiler: Beta leak

 

[Leyasu]

Good for Sony, but after reading for years on forums how all the PlayStation gamers hated them, I am interested to see their reactions

 

[The_Mike]

So Sony is now doing everything that GAF hates like Multiplatform release & GAAS & Game Pass competitor

What do you mean we always loved GaaS

Spoiler

/s

 

[kyliethicc]

There were some small leaks in the original TLOU II leak.

Spoiler: Alpha gameplay

Spoiler: Beta leak

None of that is even close to alpha lol.

And the really useful leaked footage was more recent from 2020 and had the signs of its live service redesign.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Fortnite changed the entire industry. Monumental.

 

[Craig of War]

Good for Sony, but after reading for years on forums how all the PlayStation gamers hated them, I am interested to see their reactions

Download Destiny 2 and it was amazing 10/10 masterpiece that only Sony 1st party Studio can produced

 

[Warablo]

Sony may get the taste and lose interest in single player games. Single player games are too hard/time consuming to make compared to a mega hit multiplayer game.

 

[Three]

So Sony is now doing everything that GAF hates like Multiplatform release & GAAS & Game Pass competitor

Only ended up proving the point this person "GAF" was making. Move to a subscription model and your business strategy changes to microtransactions/GaaS. You have all the people who said this is OK to blame for that who couldn't see the woods for the trees of how it changes the games being made.

 

[Xyphie]

Sony desperately needs popular in-house MP games as they currently have nothing in this space, so it's the correct strategy to make multiple games and hope you end up with a Apex/Warzone/Valorant/Rocket League/etc success. Like it or not, having a successful MP game is worth is much more in the market than highly-rated AAA singleplayer games because the stickiness is much higher.

 

[reksveks]

The real question is whether they want to charge 70 usd for initial access or do they follow Microsoft and put them into a Spartacus tier.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Only ended up proving the point this person "GAF" was making. Move to a subscription model and your business strategy changes to microtransactions/GaaS. You have all the people who said this is OK to blame for that who couldn't see the woods for the trees of how it changes the games being made.

You're conflating different things here. A subscription model doesn't necessitate MTX/GaaS. The latter is usually f2p anyway.

 

[Three]

You're conflating different things here. A subscription model doesn't necessitate MTX/GaaS. The latter is usually f2p anyway.

It promotes it not necessitate it. Why do you think these things are now happening at the same time and the shift in strategy? The latter usually has f2p style games behind a subscription.

 

[Three]

10 different services or 10 different tiers, like different combination of the offering? I don't like the sound of it already, there's already PS+ and PSNow, there's also PS+ Collection that's basically a one&done kind of service, and they want to add 10 more?

I honestly don't think it's gonna be a good proposition, for peope who will want just one certain thing maybe yes, but I image getting a whole offering being quite costly. Imagine if Netflix had multiple services, like one for 1P movies, for 1P series, anime, documentaries, 3P shows, 3P movies etc., and all of that had seoerate services for TV, mobile and PC/laptops... This is what I feel Sony is going after :/

And knowin Sony they'll severely screw it up, like, there will be a service for all their 1P MP games which won't require PS+ to play, but all other games or even the same ones which you own will indeed need PS+.

10 GaaS games not 10 tiers.

 

[Abriael_GN]

*Waits for quite a few people to suddenly turn into GAAS lovers.*

 

[Robb]

I'm cautiously optimistic, I think Sony could make some really interesting and high quality 'live service' games as long as they give the devs the budget and time.

 

[DForce]

There were some small leaks in the original TLOU II leak.

Spoiler: Alpha gameplay

Spoiler: Beta leak

Spoiler

 

[DenchDeckard]

Fortnite, Rocket League… I guess everything from Epic is done right.

yup, in business terms definitely.

 

[Leyasu]

Only ended up proving the point this person "GAF" was making. Move to a subscription model and your business strategy changes to microtransactions/GaaS. You have all the people who said this is OK to blame for that who couldn't see the woods for the trees of how it changes the games being made.

Single player games have a place on a subscription service. It is not the type of content, but the amount of content that counts and keeps people subscribed

 

[reksveks]

It promotes it not necessitate it. Why do you think these things are now happening at the same time and the shift in strategy? The latter usually has f2p style games behind a subscription.

Fortnite, Warzone, mobile games were all big before the rise of Gamepass. Its just the slow trend of everyone trying to be a service. I don't want to even go into Apple Arcade which is the exact opposite of your argument.

I think the subscription service doesn't have impact the games in the service in one way or another. It just tries to get people in your store. Those stores were already being dominated by GaaS.

 

[kyliethicc]

Spoiler

Yeah this is the only real leak of what they're planning. Its clearly something more than just 4v4 TDM

 

[cormack12]

The real question is whether they want to charge 70 usd for initial access or do they follow Microsoft and put them into a Spartacus tier.

The real question is whether the moving of Destruction: All Stars to f2p counts.

New stuff only please Sony, not revival of failures.

 

[MonarchJT]

10 different services or 10 different tiers, like different combination of the offering? I don't like the sound of it already, there's already PS+ and PSNow, there's also PS+ Collection that's basically a one&done kind of service, and they want to add 10 more?

I honestly don't think it's gonna be a good proposition, for peope who will want just one certain thing maybe yes, but I image getting a whole offering being quite costly. Imagine if Netflix had multiple services, like one for 1P movies, for 1P series, anime, documentaries, 3P shows, 3P movies etc., and all of that had seoerate services for TV, mobile and PC/laptops... This is what I feel Sony is going after :/

And knowin Sony they'll severely screw it up, like, there will be a service for all their 1P MP games which won't require PS+ to play, but all other games or even the same ones which you own will indeed need PS+.

are just multiplayer games this is not what you think it is.
Sony just did finally understand that they can't confine their first party in one genre

 

[Concern]

It promotes it not necessitate it. Why do you think these things are now happening at the same time and the shift in strategy? The latter usually has f2p style games behind a subscription.

Can you name all these f2p or gaas games on gamepass? Just curious

 

[Three]

Single player games have a place on a subscription service. It is not the type of content, but the amount of content that counts and keeps people subscribed

A single player game somebody plays and completes in 20hrs is less likely to keep somebody subscribed than a GaaS game like Destiny or Sea of Thieves, etc where a player grinds for 1000s of hours.

 

[Three]

Can you name all these f2p or gaas games on gamepass? Just curious

Lol halo? sea of theives? It's not hard to just think of some is it.

 

[MonarchJT]

Only ended up proving the point this person "GAF" was making. Move to a subscription model and your business strategy changes to microtransactions/GaaS. You have all the people who said this is OK to blame for that who couldn't see the woods for the trees of how it changes the games being made.

luckily for them Sonygaf dosnt run the company..it would have just single player souls like and a user base of 500 ppl

 

[Leyasu]

A single player game somebody plays and completes in 20hrs is less likely to keep somebody subscribed than a GaaS game like Destiny or Sea of Thieves, etc where a player grinds for 1000s of hours.

Indeed it does, if you are only putting out a couple of games a year. But if you add a god of war in say march with some other things and then a horizon zero dawn a few months later etc, people will stay.

Having a steady stream of content is paramount.

 

[bitbydeath]

Warhawks time to shine!

 

[Concern]

Lol halo? sea of theives? It's not hard to just think of some is it.

Halo is f2p tho. Don't need gamepass for it but for the campaign you do. Sea of Thieves is pretty much the only one I can think of on there.

Constantly see this narrative like thats all gamepass is, a bunch of gaas games but here we are with one game???

 

[Stuart360]

Lol halo? sea of theives? It's not hard to just think of some is it.

Just remember if you're going to be doing these sweeping tiresome Gamepass meme posts that never hold up, there are over 400 games on Gamepass.

As for this, its obvious supply constraints have effected PS5, just like it has with XSX.
Nothing to see from this really, and people can console war back and forth all they want but until all these consoles have been sat on store shelves freely available for a year or so, we wont have a 100% true picture about how any of the consoles are really doing long term.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The latter usually has f2p style games behind a subscription.

No, the F2P games usually offer a "subscription" in terms of a battlepass. It also has nothing to do with Gamepass or Spartacus.

 

[MonarchJT]

Lol halo? sea of theives? It's not hard to just think of some is it.

Yeah exactly like Control, Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, psychonauts 2,Yakuza: Like a Dragon ( and all the others) A Plague Tale: Innocence, Ori, Hades, Titanfall2, 12 minutes, ..I'm just taking single player games of different genres....there's re TONS of single player games on gamespass

 

[DrJamesOxford]

Live service failures are studio killers - hope it works out.

 

[Three]

Fortnite, Warzone, mobile games were all big before the rise of Gamepass. Its just the slow trend of everyone trying to be a service. I don't want to even go into Apple Arcade which is the exact opposite of your argument.

I think the subscription service doesn't have impact the games in the service in one way or another. It just tries to get people in your store. Those stores were already being dominated by GaaS.

Yes, they were and at one time GAF hated these f2p mobile games. Now we just pay a sub for them and cheer. The sub promotes that kind of GaaS content just as Live promoted MP games. A subscription doesn't try and get people in your store it tries to monitise these type of games further by having you pay even when you're not buying those shitty mtxs.

Indeed it does, if you are only putting out a couple of games a year. But if you add a god of war in say march with some other things and then a horizon zero dawn a few months later etc, people will stay.

Having a steady stream of content is paramount.

The point is that this wouldn't happen. The fact that it hasn't happened already is proof of that. Sony didn't put these games on PS Now and MS hasn't released a game akin to God of War on GP in March then a Horizon Forbidden West a few months later.