Sony Q3 earnings call: Plan to release 10 live service games by 2026
onnextflix5
Banned
sony jumping on live service, multiplatform, the ps5 and xsx, really could be the last consoles, only Nintendo left now,
ZywyPL
Banned
FTFY. Fortnite didn't do anything that hasn't been done long before it, it was CoD that started with map packs and then MTX, and everyone saw how well it works and followed suit. Fortnite is F2P but that's nothing new either, with LoL being the very best example of how a free game can bring billions on skins alone.
PeteBull
Member
Its very dark time for conservative/oldschool playstation gamer who chose that console for best quality single player experience, all those devs wasting their time and pubs wasting their money on that gaas trash simply means less effort will be put into staples of playstation like it was durning ps1/2/3/4 eras.
And dont gimme dat bullshit about options, VR died for the very same reason no1 invested into any big games, just tiny indy like shit, hopefully singleplayer games wont be put into shit-cash tier with vr games in favour of our new overlord-gaas games.
Srsly fuck jimbo and this shit timeline- for 3,6b$ they wasted on bungie for 0 profit they could make at the least 10 very big budget singleplayer games.
Its really hard for those fuckers at the top to understand gaas ppl dont have time to play 10 games at the same time, so they wont touch ur 10 gaas u making, they will at most play 1. I say it as WoW player from burning crusade exp till end of cataclysm exp/begining of pandaria expansion- i played 0 new games other than the gaas-wow durning all those years and im fricken hc gamer who played 40-50h/week all that time- before and after i played/play easily 20+ new AAA games/year not to mention many AA ones on top, all that time/cash from me was gone coz of 1 gaas game.
For 1 fortnite that succeded there are 20 other games that failed if not more.
And dont gimme dat bullshit about options, VR died for the very same reason no1 invested into any big games, just tiny indy like shit, hopefully singleplayer games wont be put into shit-cash tier with vr games in favour of our new overlord-gaas games.
Srsly fuck jimbo and this shit timeline- for 3,6b$ they wasted on bungie for 0 profit they could make at the least 10 very big budget singleplayer games.
Its really hard for those fuckers at the top to understand gaas ppl dont have time to play 10 games at the same time, so they wont touch ur 10 gaas u making, they will at most play 1. I say it as WoW player from burning crusade exp till end of cataclysm exp/begining of pandaria expansion- i played 0 new games other than the gaas-wow durning all those years and im fricken hc gamer who played 40-50h/week all that time- before and after i played/play easily 20+ new AAA games/year not to mention many AA ones on top, all that time/cash from me was gone coz of 1 gaas game.
For 1 fortnite that succeded there are 20 other games that failed if not more.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I told you guys. The era of the AAA console exclusive is coming to an end, possibly even the era of PlayStation consoles period. It's all GaaS from here on out, that's why they bought Bungie. Say goodbye to the high quality 1st party single player experience. Thanks Jim.
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kittoo
Cretinously credulous
That will be the end of gaming for me.
I know these are popular and its where the money is. I understand their choice, as much as I hate it. Incredibly sad it would be. Anyway good single player games are few and far between.
PeteBull
Member
Nope, it was, is and always will be trashy abnomination compared to premium singleplayer titles we are used to get as playstation players.
Concern
Member
Some of you are so dramatic. Gaas fuckin sucks but not every single attempt will turn out like warzone or fortnite.
You have to kidding yourself if you think all of a sudden Sony or any dev will stop producing high quality single player games thats been doing great numbers.
I think Sony's greatest chance at turning out a huge gaas/f2p game will be with Factions 2. Almost all other attempts will flop.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sure, but that does seem to be Jim's plan. IMO he gives zero shits about the legacy of PlayStation and what got them to where they are now, he sees only dollar signs. Which is as it should be, that's his job.
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Do we pay for a sub for fortnite or warzone?
yes ....the spins on their previous positions are amazingly entertaining
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
You will pay a sub for everything. Just buying a game once and playing through it? That's going away.
Concern
Member
Im not disputing that. The guys a fuckin moron chasing Fortnite money but I doubt he will completely abandon single player franchises like GoW, Spiderman, or etc that print money.
Realistically do you think every single Sony studio will just work on their own gaas/f2p games? No way. Cutting off single player will alienate a huge part of the fanbase. No way they do that imo.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
They're looking at other avenues of growth. They're not throwing anything out of the window that's just a ridiculous take.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Do we know how much money those games make though? They are very expensive to produce. If those profits pale next to what Jim thinks GaaS can make, why not put all resources toward that instead? His mandate is to do whatever makes the most money for the shareholders, and to grow the business, not to keep the status quo.
Before you do these tiresome promotions of gamepass remember that "400 games" means nothing. I've got 220 games on GWG, about 320 games on PS+ countless games on epic store. I can list you things like Star wars: Squadrons, Control, A Plagues Tale and countless other games from PS+ from M MonarchJT list, doesn't take away from the fact that subscriptions promote GaaS and MP games and that the current single player big budget games would not be suited for them.
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I have Disney plus/Netflix and still buy blurays, you are treating this as binary option.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm just saying what I think the plan is.
Leyasu
Banned
It's not proof of anything and doesn't validate your arguments. There are single player games on gamepass and Sony are not going to stop making them either.
I think it's closer to the movie/tv show model, i don't think they gain much from excluding one-off purchases (especially in the digital space maybe disc's will go away but even then xbox is weirdly doing limited runs this year.)
Concern
Member
Theres hundreds if not thousands of f2p/gaas games already. How many really took off? Warzone and Fortnite basically is it. You can only catch lightning in a bottle maybe once or twice.
With most the single player games doing between 5 - 10 million units (some even more). You think giving up guaranteed money for some maybe money is a safe bet? A dead gaas game is the huge waste of money and resources.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
This is the opposite of the truth.
What you writing is just objectively wrong ...startfield will be on gamepass, fable too ,avowed too a service like gamepass must attract all types of players, it is obvious that if the multiplayer market is larger than that of the single player and it is also on PlayStation, it will be logical to better satisfy the larger part of the players.
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You just don't know what GaaS means. f2p is still Gaas. "indefinite stream of monetized new content over time to encourage players to continue paying".
Grounded, Fallout 76, even Gears is riddled with microtransactions, Forza has mtx too. GT Sport and MLB are considered GaaS by Sony themselves too. God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc are not.
You know almost nothing about these games. Where are the huge budget single player games right now? Ask yourself why they are not around.
If you say so.
Closer
Member
That will be the end of gaming for me.
I know these are popular and its where the money is. I understand their choice, as much as I hate it. Incredibly sad it would be. Anyway good single player games are few and far between.
This industry is too big to care only about Sony games. AAA is not everything. Sad.
Concern
Member
Gears has a battle pass now? I haven't played it in forever.
A game with mtx i don't feel like would classify as gaas. I mean going by that then we probably are already at like 90% gaas games vs not.
Now games with battle passes or other subs yes. How many games are that have just mtx vs subs? Is there a ratio to that more or less?
SilentUser
Member
This is actually a lower number than what I expected, to be honest. Specially when you consider that Raven, Firewalk and Deviation Games were hired to do GaaS/multiplayer games, plus Sony's expanded roster of studios.
Would love to see a mix of AAA, AA and GaaS games being produced and that could be the case (well, except for the AA games considering the last few years
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Would love to see a mix of AAA, AA and GaaS games being produced and that could be the case (well, except for the AA games considering the last few years
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Not surprising. Live service games generate recurring revenue.
At least now as Sony is planning to do more of them the idea that live service games are bad will die out
At least now as Sony is planning to do more of them the idea that live service games are bad will die out
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Max Payne’s Baretta
Banned
10 live service games huh. That's a good amount def wasn't expecting that.
roosnam1980
Member
wont affect their AAA games output , good move for getting easy money
Not sure what that ratio would be but I don't see the difference between Halos Battle Pass and in game currency you buy vs just in game currency you buy in Gears. They are the same idea of GaaS MP games.
For Sony a low percentage of their games were GaaS. I'd say less than 10%. This will now change as they start adopting a similar strategy over time.
Jemm
Member
If a gamer grinds only live service games, there is no point in subscribing to the subscription service (like Game Pass), if the game is available separately (free or paid). There would be no incentive to subscribe to the Game Pass in that case as most of the time and money (mtx, battle pass) goes to the live service game, anyway.
Constant flow of new content, like single player games, is more effective way to keep players subscribed to a Game Pass -like service.
That's why Halo Infinite MP is free to play and requires no Game Pass or even Xbox Live Gold, but the single player campaign is in the Game Pass.
Concern
Member
For sony of course, considering all their fp output is mostly single player. The only one is destruction all stars and its going f2p. So that'd 1 of 1, so 100%.
Pretty much everything with some form of multiplayer has mtx or a sub if you think about it.
But people do it and it's evident because mtx money is what's taking off on it. They play some low budget stuff inbetween but a steady stream of high budget single player games isn't necessary or even financially beneficial for MS. Just ask MS and all the people subscribed now when they are currently not getting any stream of high budget single player games.
Stuart360
Member
Do you want me to go through Gamepass and list the games that are single player, or have a single player campaign?. It will take a while but i'll do it if you want.
MonarchJT already tried that for you.
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Max Payne’s Baretta
Banned
Your post is in bad faith as most of Microsoft games aren't live service and ironically Sony is likely to ship more live service games than Microsoft during the same period.
Stuart360
Member
Well how many did he list because i have had PC Gamepass since May 2020, and although i havent been counting, i must of played 60-70 games in that time, if not more, and they were almost all single player campaigns.
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