YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
The sad part is that Microsoft will learn nothing from this. They will continue to tailor content towards groups that are far less interested in videogames than the traditional audience they abandoned.
South of Midnight is one of the weakest Game Pass release on Steam ever with only 1500 players
And what's wrong with catering to smaller groups too? I don't see anybody being abandoned just because this game released. The game isn't that great and it performed poorly but I don't understand some people's logic with hating its existence.
nkarafo
Member
It's not that i hate the game's existence. It's that the studio who made it hates mine.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
There is nothing wrong with catering to small groups if the game budget is appropriate. Such content should sink or swim on its own merits. However, I think it absolutely becomes a problem in bigger budget games. Particularly if any appeasement or concessions made as a means to increase appeal to smaller groups negatively impacts core audience appeal.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
If someone sets out to make a game for people like them, that's great, no problem with that.
That's not what happened here. They started with a white protagonist, then had Sweet Baby come in and "fix" it up by race swapping her. And they have a racist community manager who thinks white male gamers were a mistake. So pardon me for laughing a bit when it flops.
That's the beauty of subscription services: they can make the woke games effectively free (the only way anyone will consume them anymore), they can subsidise them with the actually popular games that people do subscribe for, and then when the woke games are catastrophic mega-flops (ie. every time) they can obfuscate the failure by lumping all of the games in together. It immunises the studios making woke shit from the consequences of making woke shit, allowing it to continue to be made.
ReBurn
Gold Member
This game retails for $40 so it probably did have a smaller budget.
Shmunter
Member
it's all good and well to create niche products and bring forth passion projects, but let's not pretend there is any semblance of a wide market appeal to a gamer demographic. A female lead in a very specific cultural tale is not something dudes are willing to put time into, no surprises.
Lokaum D+
Member
they choose to make and release this with a demographic in mind, this demographic didnt bought the product so, dont blame on others for your failed product.
Zacfoldor
Member
op·por·tu·ni·ty cost
noun
Economics
plural noun: opportunity costs
- the loss of potential gain from other alternatives when one alternative is chosen.
"idle cash balances represent an opportunity cost in terms of lost interest"
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I mean sure you can say that the money spent here could have been spent elsewhere but this does not mean abandonment of the other demographic. That's like saying you spent money on your second step-child therefore when you did you've abandoned your firstborn. The game released and didn't prevent other releases. It's not harming anybody and I think the hatred that seems to go both ways is a result of people not accepting its existence or not accepting the fact that the large demographic are not interested in the game.
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Salz01
Member
This game is South of profits.Debuted at number 16 on the Xbox Most Played Games
Shmunter
Member
Correct, those that champion certain entertainment because it's "so important" are usually virtue signalling, no genuine commitment, fake. Whereas those that have an affinity to female leads further narrowed to within a specific setting are a minority of a minority and could never make a ripple.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
White people count for half.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
imo the game itself isn't good enough to justify your time. So the dev being racist on top of that is an easy pass.
I already forgot this game exists until someone bumps this thread again.
I already forgot this game exists until someone bumps this thread again.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Yeah also disagree that a female must have big boobs and ass. Good personality or/and a good face are also important.
Like Folklore, Samus in her suit, Silent Hill 3 etc got female characters that don't have big assets but they're awesome characters.
I thought he would be more reasonable than that as he usually has good takes at least from whenever I watch him as I only watch some of his vids once in awhile.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Sure it means that, moreover in a volatile environment as the current video game industry. They even EXPLICITLY say what demographics they don't want to buy their games.
And I will add another angle, the one that truly pisses me off, because it impacts me directly: the replacement of legit creators by talentless activists. This is something I don't take lightly, since it also happens in literature and I'm witnessing how good books and authors are left behind to favor these hacks, so I'm happy to see them burn to the ground.
As a consumer and also as a creator I want them all gone. And yes, the presence of these people is bad for the REAL audiences (not the imaginary ones) and for the real creators.
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Dibils2k
Member
its a shame if its doing bad, i dont wanna lose this type of game... mainly one that isnt just open world
i am enjoying it, it is pretty basic, combat is repetitive (but still fun enough) and variety of enemies arent really there but its a nice looking game with nice traversal.
i am enjoying it, it is pretty basic, combat is repetitive (but still fun enough) and variety of enemies arent really there but its a nice looking game with nice traversal.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
I agree. I like having the option of smaller games like this. Compulsion made some mistakes though. Hiring a hateful community manager and keeping SBI as their narrative consultant hurt this game and limited its potential. Gamers are tired of being vilified by game developers and they're showing it.
MacReady13
Member
I don't get it- you own a business. There is ONLY 1 reason you make a product, and that is to make a PROFIT. Making a piece of shit like this that caters to people who will NOT buy it or play it is madness, and only furthers my complete lack of faith in this Microsoft regime and their insistence that gamepass is a good thing for the industry. They can claim it is a success cause 1 million people have entered the world of woke woman and claim some type of victory. Bullshit.
demigod
Member
Sure leave out the YELLOW guys why don't they.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
I don't personally have a problem if a company decide to change their mind and do a different race for a character midway but since its Sweet Baby doing it than I know it'll most likely be garbage cause not only do they usually make the characters wrong and ugly but also have shitty and disgusting views and personality at the same time. Not to mention they are also the actual racist ones and the people they label as racist, sexist etc are false most of the time.
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and FFVII Rebirth are the only good ones.
Rift Apart didn't seem too much influenced and more like a normal harmless fun adventure and Rebirth still had not just good looking characters but also great personalities which the usual woke trash usually lack.
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Aenima
Member
No, hes right. If you make an action game where the core audience is male players, and you decide to make a female protagonist, you better make her hot. Bayonetta? Hot, Nier? Hot, Stellar Blade? Hot, Tomb Raider? Hot...
Now i agree that not all female protagonists need to be hot, and can just have a cool look and be interesting like you said, but usually these are better fits in other genres where the target audience is not mainly male players, like RPGs and adventure games.
Its just sad that western devs just see female characters non problematic if they are ugly and as manly as possible. Thers still some exceptions. CDPR still make very atractive female chars.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Well said. The problem is that when you have a business model that doesn't enable you to attribute revenue to a product, you know you're f'ed. And then you start having such problems because you don't know if a game was a success or failure.
MacReady13
Member
This is a Microsoft created problem, and it's clever in a way. They can NEVER have a failure as they know their games won't sell, but they will get eyeballs on games as all you have to do is download and play a portion of the game on gamepass and they can say it was "played by millions"!
Lets be real here- catering to a group of retards who complain loudly yet never play is not a sustainable model to live by. Hiring people who are openly racist but aren't REALLY racist cause it's against white people is pathetic and doesn't help causes either.
I have spoken with my wallet. I'm not interested in theis shit and that is for a few reasons- gameplay looks awful, the reasons behind why this game was made and ESPECIALLY the people behind this game (and their motives as well). Will Microsoft learn? Who knows. But keep this up and they will become a pathetic 3rd party company struggling not only with their shit sub service but to sell games to anyone looking for a quality product.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I was hoping it would cross 2,000 and maybe push to 2,500. But alas.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The beauty of capitalism is that sooner or later, it all comes down to profits and ROI. They will definitely learn - most likely the hard way.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Are you sure about that? MS hasn't fixed their 10 year Xbox problem yet.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
They are slowly moving away from Game Pass - even if it is not 100% evident - with price changes, removal of day one games on the $15 tier, "early access", etc.
They have also become a third-party publisher and putting their flagship games on PlayStation. Things are changing for MS as a direct result of their failures. It'll take time, but things will improve.
There are always repercussions.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Good points. But it took this sooooo long lol.
Little Chicken
Member
mayham2199
Member
Not really surprising though. If Xbox was a standalone company they would have shutdown already but with the backing of MS any company can survive what Xbox has been through.
Topher
Identifies as young
I think if Microsoft was backing away from Game Pass then they would have started with Call of Duty.
Kacho
Member
I think that was the final nail in the coffin of the current strategy's viability.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Plague Doctor
Member
But how are they going to feel morally superior to others on the internet if they don't posture like this?
Think of their vanity. Their self worth.
They need this.
What? You want them to do things offline that take time, real effort, and their own money? And not gloat about it or shame others? Buy games they claim to support? What are you, crazy?
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Topher
Identifies as young
Call of Duty was the final nail in the coffin for Game Pass?
Gambit2483
Member
Maybe they should have made the main character look more like Katie, it would have helped? I don't know why they had to take that ugly art direction with the main character.
Even though she literally hates my existence and doesn't want me to play the game, I'd bang this every day and twice on Sunday lol
Hohenheim
Member
I enjoy this game a lot! The way they've doing the music is really awesome, and the storytelling is really cool. Combat gets a bit repetative, but it's still allright. And the southeren vibes are really cool.
Couldn't care less about how the main character looks, but I dig the artstyle. Turned off the stop motion effect in-game though. That effect didn't do much for me, except making the game feel stuttery.
Couldn't care less about how the main character looks, but I dig the artstyle. Turned off the stop motion effect in-game though. That effect didn't do much for me, except making the game feel stuttery.
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Kacho
Member
No.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ok....I'm not following what you mean by "current strategy's viability".
Not trying to be difficult. Just not registering.
Kacho
Member
I think day one games will be deprioritized in the near future because Xbox is under serious pressure from Amy Hood to start making money. They will eventually need to pivot back to selling software in addition to selling services. Game Pass will continue to exist but it will evolve into something slightly different. What that ends up being is anyone's guess. Just my opinion of course.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Like I've said before, if they're gonna make any fundamental changes to GP, I don't they do that until the start of a new generation. Draw a clear line.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Not sure that is a good time to make big changes that will be perceived as a downgrade. Not sure there is ever a good time though really.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think they'll do that either. But if there's a time for a big change like that to be done, a new generation is the best one.
I liken it to Sony starting charging for online with PS4, they made a clear service distinction with a generational divide.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
any day now! Only been hearing this for like five or six years.