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[professor_t]

If they didn't have a lower cost option, I would say that $499 is suicide. However, they DO have that option, and I think they can ride out the first year on early adopters - like me - who are happy to pay $500 for a premium console, and then drop the price in year 2.

Unless Phil is trying to play mind games with his base, there's no way they'll be pricing it at $399. You don't constantly brace people for the price of a premium console if you intend to sell it for the same launch price as the most recent console release. All signs point to it being more expensive than the PS4 Pro.

And, to a degree, I hope it is. If going to $500 means a better CPU, they should do it. In the long run, even the people who had to wait for a price drop will be thankful that they ultimately got a better console than what a cheaper version would have afforded.

 

[d00d3n]

I am so happy that MS has abandoned exclusive games for their console platforms. I have bought all consoles (including most of their upgraded versions) for a long time, but feel zero incentive to pay up for the Scorpio. The only factor that could make the Scorpio remotely worth it for me is if upcoming Rockstar titles turn out to perform and look much better compared with the PS4 Pro versions. I honestly don't think I would be crazy enough to pay 600 dollars for thar privilege, though ...

 

[marcbret87]

399$ is not a premium price for a console It'll be 500$ minimum imo.

Well, it depends on what you are comparing it with. If you compare it with the current prices of the PS4 Slim and the One S, which are priced in the 249-299 bracket, $399 is a premium price. Now, it is being marketed as being a PS4Pro killer, so I also don't expect it to be cheaper than the $399, but I also can't see them pricing it at $599.

 

[m23]

This.

Sony felt that 4.2TB is the maximum for that price and Phil Spencer agreed that this year was too soon for 6TF. Now, we know that 6TF is parently doable right now, technically speaking, so the only real justification for holding off until next year is the price issue. MS must feel that, right now, 6TF would increase the costs to a point that becomes counter productive for MS. They are acutely aware of the 2013 launch debacle.

By next year, construction costs etc for a 6TF machine will be equivalent to a 4.2TF one right now.

There will be other upgrades inside the Scorpio compared to the Xbox one, not just a stronger GPU. It's easy to just compare 6tf to 4.2tf but I think there are lots of things to consider when determining the price of the box. I believe the Pro uses the same CPU as the PS4 as well, correct me if I'm wrong, as well as same RAM.

 

[SensibleSucker]

So it'll be 399$? That's not premium.

In relation to the S it is. They also told us the Xbone with Kinect was a premium product in 2013, with Mattrick saying it produced thousands of dollars of value.

That ended well.

They can all have premium paperweights at Redmond if they want, which is what the Scorpio will end up being if they go over $499. Even then they'll struggle.

 

[Purest 78]

Well, it depends on what you are comparing it with. If you compare it with the current prices of the PS4 Slim and the One S, which are priced in the 249-299 bracket, $399 is a premium price. Now, it is being marketed as being a PS4Pro killer, so I also don't expect it to be cheaper than the $399, but I also can't see them pricing it at $599.

360 launched at 400$ a decade ago that's not a premium price.

 

[simatron3000]

It's an interesting question I think, the PS4 Pro can be had for £329, so stretching to a PC is much further off. If the scorpio is £500 then I think it will cause some people to just spend and extra £100 or so and build something.

I'm not sure I would buy a console at around £500, I really wanted a PS3 but went with a 360 until the PS3 came down significantly. I think some people may do the same over the next year.

I do think if people took a step back and thought about it, it's not a simple as "Because I don't want a PC"

If it is in fact £500 and you bought an xb1 at launch (as I did) for £425 then you could have had a very reasonable PC for the same price.

I have to imagine a lot of people will be thinking the same, I certainly did. Having bought a ps4, xb1 and wii u and being underwhelmed with the power of the ps4 and xb1 I went all in and dropped £1500 on a PC and haven't looked back.

Not trying to derail the thread and certainly not going all master race etc, just trying to encourage people to at least think if their money may be better invested elsewhere, particularly if a 3 year refresh cycle becomes the norm, and especially in lieu of the number of true xbox exclusives.

 

[Elandyll]

This.

Sony felt that 4.2TB is the maximum for that price and Phil Spencer agreed that this year was too soon for 6TF. Now, we know that 6TF is parently doable right now, technically speaking, so the only real justification for holding off until next year is the price issue. MS must feel that, right now, 6TF would increase the costs to a point that becomes counter productive for MS. They are acutely aware of the 2013 launch debacle.

By next year, construction costs etc for a 6TF machine will be equivalent to a 4.2TF one right now.

If it was going to be 6TF with the same gen CPU with an overclock, an upgraded Ram or barely, with a 1TB drive and UHD then yes, $399 would make sense.
But that's not the system we've heard about.
We've heard about a next gen mobile CPU, more Ram (12Gb?) with a much higher bandwidth, on top of the 6TF GPU.

So $499 seems like a rather solid bet really.

 

[Face it Tiger..]

$449 or good luck, MS.

 

[Kukawaki]

I wanted to drop by and say that I'm glad MS will finally start supporting professional cosplayers.

 

[Brinbe]

I'm all in if the tech is there.

 

[etta]

Didn't Sony say the Neo will be a premium device as well?

They are talking relative to the current model, base PS4/Xbox One.

 

[Lupercal]

$499.99 with an Elite Controller and a game.

So 300$ for a standalone one ?

 

[simatron3000]

Didn't Sony say the Neo will be a premium device as well?

They are talking relative to the current model, base PS4/Xbox One.

By the time the scorpio launches, I would guess at 6tf AMD GPU would cost about $300, so how cheap can it be?

 

[Tyaren]

It'll probably be 499$/€ or higher. People thinking it will cost 399$/€ (as much as the Pro) are imo out of their minds.

 

[Mash83]

I almost bought an XBO S but held off because of the Scorpio. Im planning on picking one up at $399, any more than that and Ill wait until it drops.

Already picking up cheap XBO games, excited to play them!

 

[AP90]

449 is my guess.

I can't see it at 500. Sony learned that is a sticker shocking price.

This. I think MS will subsidize it's $500 console

 

[PandaShake]

499+

There's no way 449, a mere 50 bucks more than the standard sweet spot of 399, will warrant Spencer to continuously say it's premium and a high priced product for nearly half a year now.

 

[etta]

By the time the scorpio launches, I would guess at 6tf AMD GPU would cost about $300, so how cheap can I be?

The 5.5 TF RX 480 already exists at $199...
A 6TF successor bought in bulk, with no PCB, memory... etc would be lower than that.


This is clearly just a marketing tactic to get people talking about Scorpio being a premium console premium device premium this premium that, and then they show $399 when people expect more, that will generate even more buzz.

 

[Lothars]

Not trying to derail the thread and certainly not going all master race etc, just trying to encourage people to at least think if their money may be better invested elsewhere, particularly if a 3 year refresh cycle becomes the norm, and especially in lieu of the number of true xbox exclusives.

Your doing exactly that though, There are people that are not interested in buying a PC. I get a new PC every 5 years or so which is fine but I still play mainly on Console and honestly prefer it other than the small section of games that I feel are best on PC and I know I am not the only one that prefers playing on a console over a PC.

 

[New002]

I'm guessing $500.

 

[marcbret87]

360 launched at 400$ a decade ago that's not a premium price.

Again, you have to define premium with what is currently on the market. If there are options for $250, a $399 or $499 price tag is a premium price. Also, I would say the 360 was a premium product, it was the start of a new gen after all. Besides, look at this quote from Phil:

Spencer went on to say that he thinks Xbox Scorpio "will feel like it’s a premium product, a premium console. And not something, anything more than that." Because of this, the Xbox boss said people shouldn't be "worried that this thing is going to be unlike any console price you’ve ever seen," as they "didn’t design it that way."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/03/dont-worry-about-xbox-scorpios-price-says-phil-spencer

This doesn't strike me as if the Scorpio will be in the >$500-600 territory.

 

[Smokey]

I feel like he's been saying this every month. This thing will be $599 at least.

It absolutely won't be $599. Premium or not there's too much baggage at that price point.

 

[AmFreak]

By the time the scorpio launches, I would guess at 6tf AMD GPU would cost about $300, so how cheap can I be?

You, as a consumer, can get a 6TF AMD Gpu today for ~200€ (~$200).

 

[Harp]

It will be $399. Anything more and Phil is going to have to brace Microsoft for another failure.

 

[Boke1879]

I'm going to say at the very least $450

 

[Deadbeat]

It really depends how good their message is. If they can control the narrative then 499 would be doable. But they have been failing at that this gen.

I see 449 to avoid the 500 dollar stigma.

 

[RichiRamjag]

449 is my guess.

I can't see it at 500. Sony learned that is a sticker shocking price.

Lol. You're kidding yourself. He isn't going to make a big statement about it over $50 bucks. This thing is going to be 5-$600 minimum. Most likely $500.

 

[Najaf]

Enthusiast's perspectives on price when it comes to consoles always surprises me. Come Q1, I'll be dropping 700+ on a 1080ti. Tons of people just dropped 450+ on a new graphics card alone. I imagine most who are interested in the Scorpio would fall into this leading edge tech crowd, and that always comes at a price.

I think Microsoft is doing a good job communicating that this is akin to that graphics card upgrade as opposed to a new console launch. They aren't targeting the casual player, but more the elite controller demographic.

 

[Lupercal]

Lol. You're kidding yourself. He isn't going to make a big statement about it over $50 bucks. This thing is going to be 5-$600 minimum.

True true, maybe 599$ with 2 games or something at launch.

 

[General Lee]

People thinking it will be 399$ will be sorely disappointed. Maybe if it used the same Jaguar core, but that would be terrible to begin with. 12 GB memory, 384-bit bus and plenty more CUs overr Pro even a year later will still be more costly than the Pro. I could easily see it being more than 499$. They could even replace the super slow hdd with some embedded flash by default. Make an actual premium console. That plays 4K Blu-ray. If you're going to make a higher end option, why limit it to what 399$ can do? So that no one buys the lower end option?

 

[BotoxAgent]

I'm willing to pay.

 

[Falchion]

I don't get how it's going to be suicide to release Scorpio for more than the price of the Pro when it's clearly a much more capable device. As long as it's $600 or below I'm 99% sure I'll be buying this along with my friends since we're so tied into the Xbox ecosystem and I've loved gaming primarily on the One. I love my Elite controller, BC 360 games, and having my huge library of One games that I'll be able to play on the One. Building a new PC is still something I absolutely want to do at some point but if Scorpio ends up being as big of a jump as people think it could be, there would be little reason for me to spend at least double that on a PC and not have my friends move with me.

 

[score01]

Scorpio will be 399.

The box will be subsidised as per previous gens.

MS not taking any risks this time.

 

[watership]

They could call it Expensive Box, and say "It's going to be expensive! We're not kidding!" And people will still be shocked by the price and the memes will flow like blood.

They just need to make a good product and ride the storm. People still talk about how expensive the Xbox elite controller is, but at least now they equally talk about how it's the best controller ever made.

 

[Lichter]

Tired of these comments about the price.

 

[……forgetit]

$599 USD

 

[JORMBO]

I would guess $449 or $499. I am fine with that. It doesn't seem like a bad strategy since they still have the cheaper XB1S.

 

[Elandyll]

The 5.5 TF RX 480 already exists at $199...
A 6TF successor bought in bulk, with no PCB, memory... etc would be lower than that.


This is clearly just a marketing tactic to get people talking about Scorpio being a premium console premium device premium this premium that, and then they show $399 when people expect more, that will generate even more buzz.

Given the points I mention above, sounds like a lot of wishfull thinking tbh.

IF (and that's an important if) they deliver on all the points they made during the Scorpio announcement, it will certainly cost more than $399, unless of course MS would be willing to eat their shirt on it, which would be weird for a "premium" product while starting on the tail end of the gen.

6TF GPU+ Overclocked Jaguar + 8-12Gb std DDR3 Ram + some more esram w/ UHD = $399

6TF GPU+ New gen 8 core mobile CPU + 12 GB GDDR5 320gb/s overall bandwidth w/ UHD imo = $499 or more

 

[Wollan]

At $499 it won't be re-winning any market-share.

 

[cakely]

I'm still thinking $399.

Phil's setting the expectation for a higher price and when $400 is announced at E3 they'll sell all their pre-orders.

Totally a guess, of course, we have no way of knowing.

 

[etta]

I don't get how it's going to be suicide to release Scorpio for more than the price of the Pro when it's clearly a much more capable device. As long as it's $600 or below I'm 99% sure I'll be buying this along with my friends since we're so tied into the Xbox ecosystem and I've loved gaming primarily on the One. I love my Elite controller, BC 360 games, and having my huge library of One games that I'll be able to play on the One. Building a new PC is still something I absolutely want to do at some point but if Scorpio ends up being as big of a jump as people think it could be, there would be little reason for me to spend at least double that on a PC and not have my friends move with me.

It's a year late and still tied to the Xbox One in terms of what it can truly do.
If it was a behemoth new generation console then maybe.

 

[Nikana]

360 launched at 400$ a decade ago that's not a premium price.

The Xbox 360 launched at $299 and $399. The $399, being the premium edition. Literally.

 

[JBwB]

$549 confirmed.

But no seriously... The specs for the console will definitely put it at around that range. It'll be $499 at the least.

 

[thuway]

Few guesses:

- There could be an opportunity to do multiple SKUs. The Xbox 360 had a very successful run with multiple offerings that were seperated via core features. Scorpio lowest tier could price itself at $399/449 omitting a critical component such as the bluray drive or the WiFi module. The highest tier could include the Elite Controller and ante up the HD space at $599/649.

- I think Phil is going out of his way to try and define Scorpio as a premium product whose target is the enthusiast consumer and NOT the mass market. If price is to reflect that, I think we should be speculating $499 and North as a baseline.

- The biggest question mark is the choice of the CPU. This literally is the Achilles heel of the PlayStation Pro, PS4, and Xbox One. If Scorpio manages to stuff in the Zen CPU at a price point that enthusiast console owners find palatable, it could really make Digital Foundry comparisons ugly. The other components are also looking to be quite expensive. 12 GB of GDDR5X w/ 320 GB/S bandwith, 6 TF GPU, and the power draw, thermals, and box size to accompany said parts could give us a good idea on the symmetrical price increase over the PlayStation 4 Pro.

- The last question I have is: Will Microsoft consider taking a small loss on the Scorpio?

 

[Adobe]

If it comes with a 4K blu ray drive for 450$, it would be an instant buy!

 

[jayu26]

He is just saying it so that when they announce $399 it will appear really really cheap. I am on to you Phil, you can't fool me.




They might actually price it at $500 for the holiday 2017 (because hardcore will pay whatever) and then discount it from there, Xbone style. It seems to work well enough.

 

[op_ivy]

Again, you have to define premium with what is currently on the market. If there are options for $250, a $399 or $499 price tag is a premium price. Also, I would say the 360 was a premium product, it was the start of a new gen after all. Besides, look at this quote from Phil:



http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/03/dont-worry-about-xbox-scorpios-price-says-phil-spencer

This doesn't strike me as if the Scorpio will be in the >$500-600 territory.

This.

 

[Renekton]

By next year, construction costs etc for a 6TF machine will be equivalent to a 4.2TF one right now.

Actually, what will change to make 6TF as cheap as 4.2TF if they use the same TSMC 16FF that Sony used...?

Will yields improve that dramatically? Will it actually use Vega and is it that big an architectural leap?

 

[viHuGi]

Sorry to labour the point but assuming it is £500, why wouldn't you spend £700-800 on a PC that's fully modular and has cheaper games. At this rate, Halo 6 could be the only exclusive the xbox has.

i´d rather spend 1000e on Scorpio than on a Pc of the same specs.

Fact is, millions and tens of millions of people don´t like pc gaming.