Pai Pai Master
Banned
"Wait outside the school for Spider-Man rushing out during the dance." It's not a stretch of the imagination by any means.
Jeez, the nitpicks.
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"Wait outside the school for Spider-Man rushing out during the dance." It's not a stretch of the imagination by any means.
Jeez, the nitpicks.
EdibleKnife
Member
Shocker was likely already waiting to be picked up, Toomes said the prom was on the way and was going somewhere
After the conversation he probably told to wait a bit and see if Peter does anything
This is actually one of my (very few) problems too, but because Peter barely suffers consequences due to his fuck ups. To me the most egregious example is at Washington: they still win the decathlon and no one gets hurt at the monument, so even when he's failing in more than one front everything turns out alright too neatly. Hopefully the next movie will balance that better.
"Doesn't know anything about the character. Feels the movie isn't being faithful."
Bobo Dakes
Member
Let me give you those instructions and tell me how quickly you can get to a high school with your electric arm.
I'm just saying, when you're meh on the movie, these things stand out.
I love Spider-Man 2 so I don't give a shit when someone goes, well why didn't Doc Oct just steal the materials or why was he trying to create an artificial sun in his house?
See how much easier it is for people to let stuff go when they really like the movie. That doesn't make those points any less true though.
I said that in response to getting trolled and it's not that serious. I was being petty, I apologize, but that is not a phrase anyone has ever said seriously or angrily. I also threw that in there after making a larger productive point, but sure ignore that. Also, that's not a phrase most 6 year olds use or know of, come and brag about that when he's 16. As for "your analysis Doesn't make any sense". Explain that please because I've mostly just got "lol, he can't understand the movie because he didn't see uncle ben get shot".
Inferno313
Banned
I finally binged that show last night and now your avatar is cracking me up everytime I see it.
Shadowhelper
Banned
I think you're mixing up powers with character.
And no one said make it exactly the same character as the comic.
Just how damned boring it is for a comic book movie to just make the villain a dude in a robot suit. Such a spectacular lack of imagination. Boring and safe. It's a tame depiction, but it does work, absolutely. I wonder how Sam Raimi was going to depict Vulture.
It's just funny how many people with such authority were claiming its the same depiction of powers the movies hows as in the comics. You guys are funny.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
This is MY vulture. Not some cheap iron man knockoff like in homecoming.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
These are superhero comics, the characters and their powers/motivations should work in unison to give us interesting themes and conflicts. Vulture in this movie is not supposed to have superpowers, he is supposed to be an "everyman" who is driven to a life of crime because more powerful beings brought chaos into his world and took control of his livelihood and means to provide for his family away from him.
Making Vulture an old guy with an electromagnetic harness (that he built himself, so yes in the comics he is also a technological villain moreso than a superpowered one) who sucks the life out of young people brings little to the table and serves to undermine the "grounded" approach of this adaptation.
Bobo Dakes
Member
Yeah, his family thought he was leaving for a business trip, but he was going on the heist. I don't see how that explains that, but it's not that serious to continue breaking down.
Poor phrasing on my part, sorry. How did he get there so quickly? Which some posters explained. I don't buy it, but it's whatever.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
The best part about Vulture was how they butcher some parts to keep the twist alive: Peter not seeing a photo, seeing her dad any time at the school, or him being super in crush with her never Facebooks or social media lookup.
Seems out of place.
Seems out of place.
Vultures directly stealing youth from from people is not a consistent power from the comics.
Inferno313
Banned
"Damn, she's hot. Lemme see what her Dad looks like."
Is this a thing people do?
Is it? I've looked at plenty of crushes Facebook/instagrams and the only time they post pictures of their dad is a baby picture on Father's Day.
Bobo Dakes
Member
Things I can't wait to say next time one of you isn't crazy about a popular movie.
"Even though you broke down very specific scenes and why you thought they didn't work, I just think you came in wanting to hate this, in fact, I think you hate all comic book movies or lack a basic understanding of this very complex genre."
I needed a good laugh. Thank you.
And no, couldn't tell you what the father of any of my crushes look like.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Oh boy, way to misconstrue, I'll try to clear up your thoughts:
"My name's Peter and I have a super crush on Liz, I shall never facebook or instagram lookup -- oh is that her dad?"
Every person googles their crush or else how can you say you even like 'em?
She's, like, 15, gonna have photos of the parents there as he inevitably looks for the picture album labeled "Summer Beach Fun!!!!!"
I don't think I've met a person on facebook that doesn't have their family members in photos.
EdibleKnife
Member
I have a crush. We're Facebook friends. I have no idea what her parents or siblings look like. If Peter was absolutely obsessive, I could see him Facebook stalking her or something but I don't see it as unreasonable since as a teenager, she probably only has pictures of herself and her friends front and center on her Facebook instead of photos of her kissing her dad as her profile pic.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
teenage girls generally don't go around instagramming pics of their dads. You're making assumptions based on things that teenagers simply don't do.
It's also well established that he is pre-occupied with obsessing over the Avengers and being Spider-Man given how he spends ALL his free time in the first half of the movie. He's not sitting around stalking his crush on social media.
Duane Cunningham
Member
lol
No but seriously there's a good chance "Damn she's hot. Lemme look at her FB." would probably result in seeing family.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
Peter is too pure to Facebook stalk Liz.
BronsonLee
Member
If anything she would FB stalk him, she was into him a bit too
But considering the timeline (Ben died like 6 months prior, ya?) she probably didn't wanna make a move
But considering the timeline (Ben died like 6 months prior, ya?) she probably didn't wanna make a move
Inferno313
Banned
I didn't know what my fiancé's parents looked like until I met them for the first time. Don't know what the last two girls that I was into before her's dads looked like either. We all had FB. *Shrugs*
She's 17. For all we know she could only have a instagram modeling account selling SkinnyTea. Or she could be a Snapchat only type of girl. Facebook is for old folks.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I've never been in a relationship with someone and known what their parents looked like before I met them. When I'm trying to fuck a guy or girl the last thing on my mind is their dad lol.
Bobo Dakes
Member
No one is saying those photos won't be there, we're saying it's just as easy for Peter not to pay attention to them. I can see a photo of a crush's dad and easily not recognize them in person. Peter could just as easily not be on FB. It's not a stretch to go either way.
EdibleKnife
Member
Real test is if you actually remember them and not just file them as one more random face, particularly if a crush was the main reason you were cruising photos. Would you really know the parent of someone you know just from a photo if you passed them in the street? Even if you actually met them out of context until they mention their last name?
Shadowhelper
Banned
You're absolutely right.
It would undermine the more so called grounded approach. We're just of different opinions as to if a Spiderman movie should do that.
He pretty much always has that electromagnetic harness, and that is the source of his powers. They can keep or leave the life force sucking bit. I stopped obsessively reading superhero comics a long time ago, but still have a bit here and there, but that part never seemed like a big part, not that it matters.
To me thats something new and cool in a superhero movie, that the right film maker could make look awesome, the idea that it's just an old dude using electromagnetism to give him super powers. That's a visually more intriguing prospect. But I've acknowleged Homecomings Vulture works very well as is. And like I said, I think its a very good movie. Extremely well crafted with an amazing cast of kids.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
naw, it's a stretch to think 1) he's on the same team as her, 2) been to her house, and 3) seems to be super crush mode with her that he has never once seem a glimpse of the parents: not even on parent teacher interviews, club events, or just "I'm at your house party and HOLY SHIT IS THAT YOUR DAD IN THE PHOTO?!" The movie doesn't portray a strained relationship between Liz and her dad so either he's sort of attentive and participates in her life or she's OK with him gone 24/7.
it's too clean and convenient.
Can't agree with your Vulture gripes at all. Homecoming Vulture was far more indimitating than some 90 year old in birdsuit tights. He actually comes off as very threatening & violently dangerous in this movie. Nothing wrong with making his origin be about being an actual tech vulture & piecing together his suit from advanced tech they find.Who cares if Spider Man has had drones in the comics? That's horrible justification for the what happens in the movies. He was certainly never given a spider suit by Iron Man that had all this tech.
Spiderman has also had 6 arms. Doesn't mean its a good idea for the movies. In the comics a million stupid things that should never happen in the movies have happened.
Spiderman having drones is just a dumb and bizarre idea. Don't know where this urge to make Spiderman into a military commando is coming from, other than to sell more toys and merchandise.
I admit I wrongly assumed Vulture had superpowers. But like I said the comics always presented him has if he did have superpowers.
Just found it boring that its a dude who is using fallen tech with that same boring production design. It all works, and is cool, no doubt. But I just wanted a more comic book like interpretation of Vulture, not for accuracy, because its cooler, crazier and more out there. Like a comic book should be. But of course just making him b rated Iron Man is the probably the smarter and certainly the safer choice.
Duane Cunningham
Member
If they go to school together and have a mutual crush, they probably aren't just looking at each other's public profiles anyway, I'm sure they're FB(/etc) friends. Hell, who knows how long they've been in the same class... maybe they went to middle school together too.
But on the other hand, here's something else to consider:
If he saw her dad around for whatever reason (they bumped shoulders at BEFORE all the superheroics/villainy, Peter might not remember him. And Toomes definitely wouldn't remember Peter. They may have bumped shoulders at the PTA bbq for years, but not registered with one another until they became super rivals.
But on the other hand, here's something else to consider:
If he saw her dad around for whatever reason (they bumped shoulders at BEFORE all the superheroics/villainy, Peter might not remember him. And Toomes definitely wouldn't remember Peter. They may have bumped shoulders at the PTA bbq for years, but not registered with one another until they became super rivals.
Bobo Dakes
Member
Fair enough. That reveal saved this movie for me so maybe I'm more forgiving. It wouldn't surprise me that Peter saw Toomes before then, I just can't think of a reason he would've really stood out that much. If this was Ned's dad, I'd agree with you, but him and Liz weren't THAT close.
If anything was a stretch it was her not having a date before Peter asked. But I can let that go.
The more I read these comments, it does make me think they basically created an Iron Man villain and just pit him against Spider-Man. This REALLY wasn't his fight.
Tony spent the entire movie telling Peter it wasn't his fight.
It's almost like that was the point of the movie.
Liz is a Senior and Peter is a Sophmore. They aren't in the same class/didn't go to middle school together. At most they met during Peters freshman year before he was Spider-Man and stopped participating in clubs.
Bobo Dakes
Member
I understood that, said as much several pages ago. Just reiterating.
I just didn't think of Vulture in the same vein as Iron Monger, Whiplash or the Mandarin until now.
Yes and no. Tony Stark is the nucleus of the MCU so yes his actions will have an effect on everything to an extent. However, most of Spider-Mans villains are either mad scientist or blue collar crooks. They just combined the two for Vulture. And the high tech revenge aspect isn't new for the Vulture either. He usually has a grudge against Norman Osborn for stealing his idea/ruining his business.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Why would you watch a movie while you have a concussion?
People also acting like attractive women don't put their social media accounts on private to avoid creeps. Peter seems like the kind of dude too shy to slide in the DM's/send a friend request.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Peter probably thought Liz didn't even think of him as anything other than some random kid in the academic team until the party invitation. He's completely taken aback that she invited him. And admits earlier in the movie that staring at her is creepy so yeah he's not the kind of guy to stalk someone's facebook photos.
99% of the people I see on Facebook don't have pictures with their parents on their Facebook at all. Most people I know keep their parents completely separated from their Facebook.
CoolestSpot
Banned
You know, as much as the conversation about Vulture not being more of his comic form is outlandish to me because of how great he is in this movie, if they do Rhino again I hope he's a big tough man in a dumb suit. I love how goofy he is.
Also me and a friend were rewatching this over the weekend, and the idea came up that the now sold Avenger's tower could of been handed off to Oscorp. I don't know if they'll incorporate Green Goblin for a third time in a Spiderman film franchise, and if they did do it I except they'd do it down the line instead of any time soon. But any thoughts on that idea?
Also me and a friend were rewatching this over the weekend, and the idea came up that the now sold Avenger's tower could of been handed off to Oscorp. I don't know if they'll incorporate Green Goblin for a third time in a Spiderman film franchise, and if they did do it I except they'd do it down the line instead of any time soon. But any thoughts on that idea?