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[The Kree]

Wanting to be an Avenger is an awesome motivator for a 15 year old kid with new superpowers.

(Unless you're looking at the movie strictly through the lens of a grumpy 40 year old man who knows its all fantasy and nothing matters except death and anguish and taxation. I do that sometimes, too, but then I remember I have access to whiskey.)

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Michael Keaton as the Vulture (a sympathetic villain who's evolution seemed incredibly plausible (certainly in comparison to every villain that's come before in MCU and DCU)

I can't really agree with this personally, Vulture IS great but "plausible evolution" could be applied to quite a few MCU villains. His personal connection to Peter's life along with Keaton's performance made him stand out for sure, but he's not all that different from Zemo, someone who also wanted to take the Avengers down a peg for basically benefiting from their existence bringing chaos into the lives of the ordinary man.

And not unlike Loki, who saw the "hero figure" of the movie doing unheroic shit and felt that he could be better despite having pretty evil, selfish intentions as a result of his upbringing opposite his more esteemed brother.

I actually do find all the technology stuff kinda stupid though. New takes are fine, and I guess having AI in his suit gives him something to talk to and provide humor, but its still a bit bizarre. He's fucking spiderman. He's one of the most powerful characters in Marvel. I don't understand why he needs all this tech bullshit. It also contradicts his downhome, diy technology and genius when Tony Stark is just handing him all this tech. I think it all works, but its just a little weird to do this. Its like giving Superman gadgets to help him fight his villains. Not that extreme. I think it does contradict an essential part of his character though.

Spider-Man used gadgets all the time in his comics, granted they were by his own design but that is something that we could see Peter doing going forward - it's certainly probable since they established him as creating his own web fluid this time. I think the AI suit works for the reasons you stated but also in a rather self-aware way by pointing out that Peter absolutely does need "training wheels" in this movie. He proves multiple times that he is not ready for the path that Tony set him on. He absolutely does not know how to use his powers to their fullest at the beginning of the movie, so I think it's an interesting take to have his mentor Tony Stark invent ways for him to get a foothold on his new reality as a superhero. And Peter does call it out himself, saying that Tony went overboard in stuffing it with too many functions just like Tony would do.

"Karen" didn't really do all that much for Peter other than give him someone to talk to so we didn't have utter silence for half the film, and I do hope it's something that has even less of an impact in the next movie (I don't think the Russos will use it in his Infinity War suit), but I don't think it's something that makes him OP or unrealistic as Spider-Man. In the ferry sequence Peter is basically using the AI more than in any other scene and he still fails.

Point is, Spider-Man is not the most powerful superhero in the world in this particular movie. He's still learning. His body is still developing meaning he is not at his peak strength like we've seen him in other iterations. He doesn't know the first thing about fighting (does he even throw a punch in this movie?). So in the way that they pulled it off, I do think the handholding AI suit works, especially in the way Tony designed it to basically babysit him because he couldn't be bothered to teach Peter properly how to be a hero.

 

[richiek]

Also, think it's a bit cowardly to also just make the Vulture a dude with tech. It definitely works, but it feels too safe and perhaps only like that because it has to service the MCU and the TV universe.

But Vulture never had real superpowers in the comics, he just built himself a suit the same as in the film.

 

[LionPride]

The Vulture is just...a dude...with tech....

That's all he is, he doesn't have actual powers

 

[caliph95]

Also, think it's a bit cowardly to also just make the Vulture a dude with tech. It definitely works, but it feels too safe and perhaps only like that because it has to service the MCU and the TV universe.

.

Vulture in almost every incarnation was just a dude with tech wings basically falcon without the bird powers

That's probably the most faithful thing about Keaton they just made the tech more realistic and grounded for a comic book

 

[RSTEIN]

So kindly suck my dick from the back.

Dude, you have issues. You're any angry, bitter, snarky individual. I get that it's fun to be a troll and tell people to suck your dick but that doesn't lead to anything productive or worthwhile. My 6 year old son understands this. For some reason you were never taught this lesson. I'm sorry for that. You don't have to be this way. I hope you look at what's going on in your life and you try to make improvements where you can

Your analysis of the movie--as pointed out by several posters here--doesn't make sense whatsoever. But I'm not going to continue this discussion with you because it's not really constructive.

 

[Chained Prometheus]

In my mind, Uncle Ben is Joe Pesci. I think he just got out of retirement too.

As amazing as that idea is, I've always liked the idea of the MCU Uncle Ben being Sean Bean.

It's literally the role he was born to play.

Wanting to be an Avenger is an awesome motivator for a 15 year old kid with new superpowers.

(Unless you're looking at the movie strictly through the lens of a grumpy 40 year old man who knows its all fantasy and nothing matters except death and anguish and taxation. I do that sometimes, too, but then I remember I have access to whiskey.)

Yeah, I actually really loved the idea of Peter's key motivation in this film being something that reflects his more youthful status. He's a teen who's gotten a taste of glory and now he's craving for that in the full-time.

It's smart because it's so damn true of teenagers and it's right at the crux of his character arc in Homecoming. It's all about Peter coming to terms with where he is in life as a superhero and more importantly as a young man- and how there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Shadowhelper]

But Vulture never had real superpowers in the comics, he just built himself a suit the same as in the film.

He didn't pick it up off the floor though. Honestly I never knew how he became the vulture. He's an old hunched backed man who wears green tights and has wings made out of feathers. He wasn't a poor mans Iron Man like in Homecoming. But okay, he was never superhuman.

That still doesn't excuse the disgusting servicing of TV shows and even mentioning of Damage Control, in reference to this tech. Make it mysterious, even mystical. Not this shit that reminds you of the worst of the MCU.

And the bizarrely technologically amped up Spiderman. I always assumed the arc was going to be, and should've been, Spiderman rejecting Tony Starks suits and donning his own at the end. FFS, they even tease a suit upgrade. I almost can't believe the point wasn't how preposterous and gratuitous it is for Spiderman to be using drones.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Just finished the movie and thought it was incredible. One of the top things the MCU has pumped out and it seems it was by necessity since it was a team up where Marvel was ready to show Sony how it's done. I liked the first 2 Rami films but never liked Tobey as Peter. I liked the action and Garfield's performance as Spider-Man in Amazing but literally, every other aspect was horrendous. This was perfection on every level though. The thing most people seem to dislike, the techy Spider suit/Karen I absolutely loved. Of course, Tony would make a training wheels program. Of course, he'd modify the ways Peter could use his webbing. And I loved that Peter actually spent time learning the different aspects of his suit (even if it was just 20 minutes lol). And speaking of Tony, I thought they struck the right balance of having him in the movie but I'm already a person who doesn't mind RDJ or the MCU Tony rather actually likes him so maybe I'm biased. In the Top Third of my MCU favorite films right now.

The Vulture is just...a dude...with tech....

That's all he is, he doesn't have actual powers

Right? Unless your only exposure to Spider-man villains was that Amazing Spider-Man game where all the villains were fused with their animal namesake.

He didn't pick it up off the floor though. Honestly I never knew how he became the vulture. He's an old hunched backed man who wears green tights and has wings made out of feathers. He wasn't a poor mans Iron Man like in Homecoming. But okay, he was never superhuman.

That still doesn't excuse the disgusting servicing of TV shows and even mentioning of Damage Control, in reference to this tech.

And the bizarrely technologically amped up Spiderman. I always assumed the arc was going to be, and should've been, Spiderman rejecting Tony Starks suits and donning his own at the end. FFS, they even tease a suit upgrade. I almost can't believe the point wasn't how preposterous and gratuitous it is for Spiderman to be using drones.

Iron Monger is a poor man's Iron Man. Iron Man uses strength and artillery in his battles. Vulture isn't Iron Man. He had a heads-up display and a tech suit but that's about where the similarities end. His suit is for flight and lugging heavy materials. It wasn't made from the ground up for battle despite being used cleverly for it within Homecoming. Also, within the fiction of the movie they had, Peter is inherently an Iron Man fan and did have uses for the suit which is why he kept it. He even used the multiple web functions to help him during the ferry accident. He isn't Iron Man either. He is still Spidey with a few gadgets. He can't fly. He can't survive a fall. He doesn't have guns or lasers.

 

[The Kree]

He didn't pick it up off the floor though. Honestly I never knew how he became the vulture. He's an old hunched backed man who wears green tights and has wings made out of feathers. He wasn't a poor mans Iron Man like in Homecoming. But okay, he was never superhuman.

That still doesn't excuse the disgusting servicing of TV shows and even mentioning of Damage Control, in reference to this tech. Make it a mysterious, even mystical. Not this shit that reminds you of the worst of the MCU.

And the bizarrely technologically amped up Spiderman. I always assumed the arc was going to be, and should've been, Spiderman rejecting Tony Starks suits and donning his own at the end. FFS, they even tease a suit upgrade. I almost can't believe the point wasn't how preposterous and gratuitous it is for Spiderman to be using drones.

What TV shows are you referring to?

 

[Inferno313]

What TV shows are you referring to?

Yeah, Feige has made it clear that he doesn't give a flying fuuuuccckk about the TV shows.

 

[richiek]

He didn't pick it up off the floor though. Honestly I never knew how he became the vulture. He's an old hunched backed man who wears green tights and has wings made out of feathers. He wasn't a poor mans Iron Man like in Homecoming. But okay, he was never superhuman.

Toomes and his crew make their tech out of scavenging discarded parts... kinda like what vultures do in real life?

 

[caliph95]

Damage Control wasn't a thing before now or at least just Easter eggs

Also Spider had drones before

The movie's were never incredibly accurate with villains anyway

Spider-Man 2 was probably the best Spider-Man and they changed Doctor Octupus character and basically only kept the name and arms

 

[phanphare]

just saw it

it was ok

I thought ryan reynolds did a decent job as peter

my biggest gripe is that it felt like a beat for beat copy of deadpool

 

[LotusHD]

just saw it

it was ok

I thought ryan reynolds did a decent job as peter

my biggest gripe is that it felt like a beat for beat copy of deadpool

That's a new one

 

[Rad-]

Saw this yesterday. It was okay but sort of forgettable. One thing that I hope the sequel does better is show that Peter is actually a genius. Let him start making tech shit or make it show in battle tactics.

 

[LionPride]

Aight so people just don't pay attention when watching movies

got it

 

[Fhtagn]

That's a new one

Read the line before that to get the joke.

Aight so people just don't pay attention when watching movies

got it

Some huge percentage of specific gripes I've read about Civil War boiled down to the person griping having missed a bit of nuance, a line of dialogue, or misunderstanding a character's motivation. And I'm left feeling like these people would be happier if these already none too subtle films were less subtle. ¯_(&#12484_/¯

 

[The Kree]

Saw this yesterday. It was okay but sort of forgettable. One thing that I hope the sequel does better is show that Peter is actually a genius. Let him start making tech shit or make it show in battle tactics.

He was making web fluid in chemistry class on the low and picking apart Chitauri stuff in shop class. It's safe to assume that if he had Tony's resources he would have eventually made that suit himself.

Also, he's 15. He has some time yet to grow into a super genius.

 

[Shadowhelper]

Damage Control wasn't a thing before now or at least just Easter eggs

Also Spider had drones before

The movie's were never incredibly accurate with villains anyway

Spider-Man 2 was probably the best Spider-Man and they changed Doctor Octupus character and basically only kept the name and arms

Who cares if Spider Man has had drones in the comics? That's horrible justification for the what happens in the movies. He was certainly never given a spider suit by Iron Man that had all this tech.

Spiderman has also had 6 arms. Doesn't mean its a good idea for the movies. In the comics a million stupid things that should never happen in the movies have happened.

Spiderman having drones is just a dumb and bizarre idea. Don't know where this urge to make Spiderman into a military commando is coming from, other than to sell more toys and merchandise.

I admit I wrongly assumed Vulture had superpowers. But like I said the comics always presented him has if he did have superpowers.

Just found it boring that its a dude who is using fallen tech with that same boring production design. It all works, and is cool, no doubt. But I just wanted a more comic book like interpretation of Vulture, not for accuracy, because its cooler, crazier and more out there. Like a comic book should be. But of course just making him b rated Iron Man is the probably the smarter and certainly the safer choice.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Saw this yesterday. It was okay but sort of forgettable. One thing that I hope the sequel does better is show that Peter is actually a genius. Let him start making tech shit or make it show in battle tactics.

I mean, he made the web fluid right in the middle of class, he was literally one of the lynchpins of academic decathlon throughout that arc, and (even though he had Ned's help) managed to modify a Stark technology undetected despite being 14/15. He didn't have a chalkboard full of equations like Reed Richards but I thought they were pretty effective in this movie in showing Peter was smart beyond his years.

 

[BronsonLee]

I feel like this movie could've used about 75% more Tony Stark

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Some huge percentage of specific gripes I've read about Civil War boiled down to the person griping having missed a bit of nuance, a line of dialogue, or misunderstanding a character's motivation. And I'm left feeling like these people would be happier if these already none too subtle films were less subtle. ¯_(&#12484_/¯

Marvel movies are absolutely popcorn flicks, disposable entertainment but for the type of movie they are, there's generally a lot going on under the surface. In most of these movies especially stuff like Civil War, they do a good job of saying a lot about the characters and motivations without spelling it out in contrived ways or beating the audience over the head with it. And so people who go into them expecting Transformers levels of stupidity and nuance think they can breeze through it and not have to pay much attention to what characters are REALLY saying and doing. And you can do that, but you only get what you put into it. So when people come in threads like these complaining about stuff they clearly weren't paying attention to, it's hard to take the criticism with merit. That's why the word "forgettable" is usually a sign to go ahead and take the rest of the "review" post with a grain of salt. Yes, movies are forgettable when you don't pay attention to them.

Most of these Marvel movies also have some things I would take issue with when it comes to writing or execution, but it's usually the dumbest complaints that people have instead that could be easily explained by something directly taken from a scene in the movie.

 

[flkraven]

Honestly, when I really think about the movie, there were only three things about the movie I actually truly enjoyed. One, Michael Keaton as the Vulture (a sympathetic villain who's evolution seemed incredibly plausible (certainly in comparison to every villain that's come before in MCU and DCU)),his interaction with Peter in the car on the way to Prom, and the refreshing level of dialogue (minus Flash) that made me feel like I was actually watching high school students, and not characters in a high school. THESE THREE PARTS WERE PURE GOLD. Everything else was either gimmicky or felt lacking in some way.

So you liked the writing and the villain, but didn't like the cinematography, music, or story?

 

[Bronx-Man]

This thread is teaching me that there’s many on GAF that don’t know how to watch movies

 

[LionPride]

When did the comics present Vulture as having powers?

Just take the L my guy

 

[kurahador]

Who cares if Spider Man has had drones in the comics? That's horrible justification for the what happens in the movies. He was certainly never given a spider suit by Iron Man that had all this tech.

Spiderman has also had 6 arms. Doesn't mean its a good idea for the movies. In the comics a million stupid things that should never happen in the movies have happened.

Spiderman having drones is just a dumb and bizarre idea. Don't know where this urge to make Spiderman into a military commando is coming from, other than to sell more toys and merchandise.

I admit I wrongly assumed Vulture had superpowers. But like I said the comics always presented him has if he did have superpowers.

Just found it boring that its a dude who is using fallen tech with that same boring production design. It all works, and is cool, no doubt. But I just wanted a more comic book like interpretation of Vulture, not for accuracy, because its cooler, crazier and more out there. Like a comic book should be. But of course just making him b rated Iron Man is the probably the smarter and certainly the safer choice.

I'm really confused by this post. You basically contradict yourself over and over.

 

[Inferno313]

This thread is teaching me that there’s many on GAF that don’t know how to watch movies

I learned that long ago.

I remember the Moonlight thread.

"wtf it just stopped mid-scene"

uh

 

[SpaceWolf]

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Vulture actually has been presented as having some limited superpowers as a result of the technology he uses, but I think that's lost a lot of emphasis over the years. It's mainly there to explain why an old fart like him can actually be a threat to Spider-Man. There's also the whole absorbing life force thing, and I'm glad they took a different approach to his "vulture"-ness in the movie. Having him be a literal scavenger of advanced technology was an awesome interpretation instead of having some weird old dude kidnap kids and feed on their youthful energy.

Utilizing his harness, the Vulture is able to fly as if by natural winged flight. He wears a costume of synthetic stretch fabric housing a tailored electromagnetic harness with bird-like wings attached beneath the arms. This consists of an electromagnetic anti-graviton generator worn on his body as a harness enabling him to fly silently with precise maneuverability. The harness also increases his resistance to injury to the point that he can survive blows from Spider-Man's enhanced strength. Another by-product of his exposure to the harness is that despite his age and lack of exercise, his physical strength represents the upper limit of human development. When he removes the harness some of his enhanced abilities slowly fade, although the rate at which this transpires remains unclear (some writers have suggested that his strength is permanent). The Vulture is elderly and depends on his electromagnetic harness to augment his strength, vitality, and athletic prowess as well as absorbing life force to maintain his vitality. It has recently been revealed that, due to his prolonged use of the harness, the Vulture can levitate or float his body even without the harness, although he requires his wings to maneuver while airborne.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Who cares if Spider Man has had drones in the comics? That's horrible justification for the what happens in the movies. He was certainly never given a spider suit by Iron Man that had all this tech.

Spiderman has also had 6 arms. Doesn't mean its a good idea for the movies. In the comics a million stupid things that should never happen in the movies have happened.

Spiderman having drones is just a dumb and bizarre idea. Don't know where this urge to make Spiderman into a military commando is coming from, other than to sell more toys and merchandise.

The drone is a camera in this film and really nothing more really. Cameras and photography are right in the wheelhouse of the Spider-mythos. It's not a gun or anything so I'm struggling to see how it's on the same level at all as making Spider-Man into a multi-legged mutant abomination. Nor is it a sign that Spider-Man is some kind of soldier now. The drone doesn't change that he's still a clumsy superhero

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

I'm in. I've been wanting Mysterio since Amazing 1. Actually I've been wanting a live-action Mysterio since his missions in the Spider-Man 2 PS2 game

 

[phanphare]

Spiderman has also had 6 arms. Doesn't mean its a good idea for the movies.

au contraire

 

[The Kree]

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

Yeah. He was in the audience at MIT when Tony gave his little VR demonstration in Civil War.

Tony Stark makes everything worse, part 21.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Someone around here suggested Bob Odenkirk for Mysterio and I couldn't agree more.

 

[CoolestSpot]

When did the comics present Vulture as having powers?

Just take the L my guy

Well...er...uh, it says this on the offical Marvel wiki:

It has recently been revealed that, due to his prolonged use of the harness, the Vulture can levitate or float his body even without the harness, however at a very slow speed. Like his other abilities, it is probable that this ability too would fade with time away from the harness.

So clearly they're just more knowledge then you in this area, and it's you who needs to hit the (comic) books.

Spoiler

I'm being overly sarcastic here. The reinvention of Vulture's character in this movie is great, and the argument his powers are inaccurate to the comics isn't only wrong and grasping at straws for complaints, but in my opinion they made him far more interesting then "old guy in bird costume but with high tech wings" that the comics had.

 

[LionPride]

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

Any villain who we haven't seen so yes

 

[richiek]

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

Either him or Kraven.

 

[Shadowhelper]

Utilizing his harness, the Vulture is able to fly as if by natural winged flight. He wears a costume of synthetic stretch fabric housing a tailored electromagnetic harness with bird-like wings attached beneath the arms. This consists of an electromagnetic anti-graviton generator worn on his body as a harness enabling him to fly silently with precise maneuverability. The harness also increases his resistance to injury to the point that he can survive blows from Spider-Man's enhanced strength. Another by-product of his exposure to the harness is that despite his age and lack of exercise, his physical strength represents the upper limit of human development. When he removes the harness some of his enhanced abilities slowly fade, although the rate at which this transpires remains unclear (some writers have suggested that his strength is permanent). The Vulture is elderly and depends on his electromagnetic harness to augment his strength, vitality, and athletic prowess as well as absorbing life force to maintain his vitality. It has recently been revealed that, due to his prolonged use of the harness, the Vulture can levitate or float his body even without the harness, although he requires his wings to maneuver while airborne.

There you go. I knew it was some weird shit and that he had super powers, that was not as simple as an Iron Man like suit. Yes, he uses the power of electromagnatism to power himself and feed off the young. I stopped reading Superhero comics in the 7th grade, but its coming back to me. It's a very different depiction from the comics. So much more boring and safe.

And you'd have to be obtuse not to get why someone would assume Vulture has super powers beyond what is in the movies.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So, we all onboard for Mysterio for the sequel?

Or hydro man..right guys....Guys

 

[Pai Pai Master]

There you go. I knew it was some weird shit, that was not as simple as an Iron Man like suit. Yes, he uses the power of electromagnatism to power himself and feed off the young. I stopped reading Superhero comics in the 7th grade, but its coming back to me. It's a very different depiction from the comics. So much more boring and safe.

And you'd have to be obtuse not to get why someone would assume Vulture has super powers beyond what is in the movies.

Vulture is simply a stupid fucking character and one of the very worst Spider-Man villains so I'm glad they basically threw him out and started fresh for the movie version. He works very well in the movie as well as in the context of the MCU.

 

[CoolestSpot]

I still want to see the Kingpin rally up villains in the next movie, maybe have Hammerhead assisting him in some way. But I know that's not going to happen thanks to how TV/Movie Marvel are.

I'd mark out if they have an opening scene with Spiderman stopping the Big Man though. He and his gang couldn't carry a movie (they're some of Spidey's weakest villains), but be fun to see them for a bit none the less.

 

[Bobo Dakes]

This nigga said so kindly suck my dick from the back lmao

Nigga we talkin bout movies

I caught a ban for tellin a dude we gon have an issue if he didn't stop being a fucking idiot(not those exact words but you get the point), calm yo petty ass down somewhere lol

I can be calm and petty.

Why was Shocker waiting for Peter outside the school? Toomes called him when Peter got out of the car to go to the dance he was at for 10 minutes and already knew about their conversation?

 

[Kuro]

One thing that started to bother me a bit with rewatching the movie is that they really went heavy on the Peter fucking up angle to the point it gets a little dark. He fucks up the Deli and almost kills the owner because he was playing around with the bank robbers. He puts a suburb in danger when he chases after the guys in the van with laser guns. Almost causes the death of his entire club because he held on to alien tech he didn't understand and then almost gets a giant boatfull of people killed. To top it all off he helps cause a plane crash in the middle of the city. The whole movie's tone kind of makes these a little light but when you think about the gravity of the situation in light of what just happend in Civil War with the Sokovia Accords it becomes kind of ridiculous that Stark tries to hand him an even crazier suit and a spot on the Avengers. I really hope he grows up more in the sequel and actually saves people rather than put them in danger.

 

[Cherubimon142]

So you liked the writing and the villain, but didn't like the cinematography, music, or story?

The cinematography was good, but that was to be expected for an MCU Spider-Man film. I rarely pay attention to the music unless it's from specific composers, and the story was okay, but dragged on a little at times.

 

[CoolestSpot]

Maybe the only way to get people to feel like Tony Stark's relationship with Spiderman is worth it is if in Infinity War he builds Spidey Leopardon. Then everyone can be happy.


Or just me. Probably just me.

 

[BronsonLee]

One thing that started to bother me a bit with rewatching the movie is that they really went heavy on the Peter fucking up angle to the point it gets a little dark. He fucks up the Deli and almost kills the owner because he was playing around with the bank robbers. He puts a suburb in danger when he chases after the guys in the van with laser guns. Almost causes the death of his entire club because he held on to alien tech he didn't understand and then almost gets a giant boatfull of people killed. To top it all off he helps cause a plane crash in the middle of the city. The whole movie's tone kind of makes these a little light but when you think about the gravity of the situation in light of what just happend in Civil War with the Sokovia Accords it becomes kind of ridiculous that Stark tries to hand him an even crazier suit and a spot on the Avengers. I really hope he grows up more in the sequel and actually saves people rather than put them in danger.

It's almost like

with great power
comes great respo-*is punched*

 

[EdibleKnife]

There you go. I knew it was some weird shit and that he had super powers, that was not as simple as an Iron Man like suit. Yes, he uses the power of electromagnatism to power himself and feed off the young. I stopped reading Superhero comics in the 7th grade, but its coming back to me. It's a very different depiction from the comics. So much more boring and safe.

And you'd have to be obtuse not to get why someone would assume Vulture has super powers beyond what is in the movies.

Ok, what is the separation for you between the wackiness of Vulture being an electromagnetic vampire which you believe is interesting and something you wanted to see and the wackiness of a Spider-drone and multiple limbs which you say are things that should never happen in the movies?

 

[robotrock]

Is it true they’re making a black panther movie? My friends are asking if I’ve seen the trailer but I think they’re fucking with me.

 

[Seesaw15]

It's almost like

with great power
comes great respo-*is punched*

BUT NO UNCLE BEN!!!!!

 

[LionPride]

I can be calm and petty.

Why was Shocker waiting for Peter outside the school? Toomes called him when Peter got out of the car to go to the dance he was at for 10 minutes and already knew about their conversation?

He called him to make sure Peter didn't leave? Are you unable to get anything from a movie that isn't explicitly told to you?