SillyEskimo
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This is the type of thinking that made me start the thread, lol.
Spiderman Villains VS Batman Villains: Who Wins In A Fight?
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This is the type of thinking that made me start the thread, lol.
Batman vs Superman always comes down to Kryptonite. TDKR Batman is lucky that Superman didn't become immune to the stuff like he did in Kingdom Come.
……forgetit
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Did you really just bring up injustice as if it was canon?
Batman just lucky he lives in a world with easily exploitable weaknesses. I bet his Alan Scott plan is just a bag of wood chips.
The Silver
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poll should've been 100 in favor of juggy, grundy literally cannot hurt ol juggs
I wish we'd get some Batman & Spidey teamup comics again. That's less likely to happen than ever before though now that both are under the umbrella of directly competing media behemoths.
The old ones are entertaining though 90's as fuck. Carnage got starstruck by Joker.
Edit: Catwoman Vs Black Cat?
The old ones are entertaining though 90's as fuck. Carnage got starstruck by Joker.
Edit: Catwoman Vs Black Cat?
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not really. look what Octopus did to the hulk.
Eh, Ock had adamantium tentacles in that run IIRC.
Replace Juggernaut with Morlun and you still have a match heavily favoring Spider-villains.
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Mr. Freeze
Poison
Joker
problems.
Poison
Joker
problems.
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Joker is not a problem at all and freeze is scrub teir. I give you Ivy though.
GhettoGamer
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No stop it
More_Badass
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Wrong thread
Manmademan
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Are the only DC comics you read Batman? The two universes are equivalent.
If you don't like superhero fantasy, read moon knight, Daredevil, punisher, etc.
They're not equivalent until we get Punisher: The Brave and the Bold.
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As for the alt Question
Batman can easilly handle Spidey's Villains
but its though to picture Spidey go through what Batman goes through vs Gotham Villains
Batman can easilly handle Spidey's Villains
but its though to picture Spidey go through what Batman goes through vs Gotham Villains
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To the alt question, Spiderman would have an easier time with Batman's villains than vice versa. Really only the crazy ones that would fuck with his life would be a problem.
Actually even the smallest of super powers can top that.
More_Badass
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I know it's Batman and it's comics, but seriously any "normal" human would have a shattered spine or a broken neck from those impacts.
I got a kick out of the first of issue of the new Sensation Comics for this reason. Oracle calls Wonder Woman into Gotham because the Bat fam has gone missing and the whole issue is just Diana rolling any villains not smart enough to run. She even says she finds Batman's rogues totally unimpressive and doesn't see what the big deal is.
Probably a more realistic reaction to Batman's villains from another hero than we usually get.
Seriously, Norman is a heavyweight now in the Marvel universe. I wish they had let him keep the Iron Patriot armor in some GG fashion. That said, Norman's intelligence makes him much scarier than the Joker in some ways. He's the type of guy who could trick you into believing you were his friend and then kill you for the laughs or use you for some higher purpose. In some ways he's what I imagine a slightly more sane Joker would be(with a huge IQ and strength boost).
Perfect display of why Spidey's villains are superior. You're already assuming that they would have some kind of a fail safe to save their ass. If the Joker ran into Green Goblin at the local starbucks, he'd get the shit kicked out of him.
flaxknuckles
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Batman should have turned into a bloody mist after the first strike
flaxknuckles
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Batman just doesn't have the balls to suit up in his Iron-Man armor and throw them all into the ocean
Manmademan
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Not that good. Kraven vs. Batman has come up before and it ends up being one sided.
Strength? They're probably about equal. Bane is using venom, Kraven has some mystery potion that gives him enhanced stats.
Agilty/Speed/Reflexes? This one is 100% Kraven. The serum enhances those along with his strength, and he's fast enough to keep up with spider man. Bane is not this fast.
Durability? This one is broken. Kraven's durability is not 1:1 with his strength. Kraven has laughed off shots to the face from Spider man AND the Green Goblin. Like, not even stunned. Is Bane capable of that kind of damage? Hell no.
What about senses?
so...sneaking up on Kraven like a ninja isn't going to work.
Experience? This one is the trump card. How old is Bane, in his 30s? Kraven is 100 years old with the body of a superhuman. At one point he was actually working with Nick Fury as an agent post WW2. What has he been doing in his spare time over the last 100 years?
Hunting and killing everything that moves. Did I mention Marvel has a "savage land"? And Kraven likes to hang out there? What might one find in the savage land?
Yes, Kraven has been hunting goddamned dinosaurs with his bare hands and hunting knives. How long would Bane last against T-rexes and velociraptors?
On top of that, Kraven is constantly armed to the teeth with poisons and traps, and is an expert hand to hand combatant. His knowledge of human anatomy allows him to paralyze opponents with nerve strikes, in case the crazy laser shooting lion vest he wears all the time somehow misses you.
This dude is not a great match for Bane- Kraven hunted down spider-man and buried him alive. Bane isn't going to last much longer.
Its kind of why I do not like batman crossovers , because they have to make batman villains look competent when in actuality they aren't really, and peeps would have been dealt with a while ago.
A guess that says something about batman i dunno.
Batman in the Justice League movies and show must be running off venom or something because he gets hit by things that as you said would shatter a normal human. If you look at those worlds strongest men people they are strong as hell but have put so much extra weight on their bones that they cannot be agile and likely couldn't handle a more technical fight.
I sorta always viewed batman as being nearly super human in strength because otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Maybe Ras has been slipping something into Bruce's tea when they have friendly meetings.
Schweinehund
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Joker's never been a physical match for Batman. His whole shtick is psychological warfare.
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Aren't Batman's villains more designed to conflict with his psyche and mental problems than anything? I mean, the Joker is his ultimate villain, yet pretty much any hero in both universes would end him in a heartbeat as long as he wasn't in their head. And he wouldn't be. Even if he got in Parker's head, he would just end up dead.
Dominican Power
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Who's the new venom? Last time I was reading it was Flash.
Manmademan
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still is.
flaxknuckles
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It's still the same. He's with the Gs of the Galaxy right now.
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KGBeast looks like a BDSM fantasy.
Manmademan
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I was looking at that and thinking that it's a great name for an old school WWF wrestler. "Iron Shiek and the KGBeast" would be the best tag team ever.
Kraven 100 years old, Ra's thinks that is cute.
Deathstroke is not just a Batman enemy he has also dealt with the entire Teen Titans and many others.
Ivy as has been said has dealt with Superman and while Juggs helmet is great against psychic it does nothing against toxins and Pheromones.
Riddler is brilliant if not sidetracked and with Slade and Ra's to keep him in check he could easily devise a strategy to deal with pretty much any and all of Spidey's gallery.
Grundy is a beast.
Goblin was nothing until they started making him a copy of the Joker with Luthor's bank book. The original could sort him out.
Venom and Carnage are easily disabled.
Deathstroke is not just a Batman enemy he has also dealt with the entire Teen Titans and many others.
Ivy as has been said has dealt with Superman and while Juggs helmet is great against psychic it does nothing against toxins and Pheromones.
Riddler is brilliant if not sidetracked and with Slade and Ra's to keep him in check he could easily devise a strategy to deal with pretty much any and all of Spidey's gallery.
Grundy is a beast.
Goblin was nothing until they started making him a copy of the Joker with Luthor's bank book. The original could sort him out.
Venom and Carnage are easily disabled.
entremet
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Weird.
Manmademan
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Last I checked Ra's doesn't have the physical capabilities to injure Kraven either.
deathstroke is the most capable of the people here, next to Ras. Still a bad match for most of this bunch though.
Juggernaut has a healing factor that makes wolverine's look slow. he also has a force field. Did I mention that juggernaut doesn't actually need to breathe?
Doc Ock invented a machine that creates hard-light holograms to fight FOR him, Ran totally roughshod over 2099 marvel and assembled a time machine from scrap parts in about a day. He's so far past the riddler it's not in the same discussion. Norman is just as good.
a wildly variable one, yes.
oh, so this is a joke post. you should have said so!
Joker wins out, simply because he's by far the most iconic and likely to be favored by the writers.
In a medium wheresomeone as strong as Thanos can lose by dropping the Cosmic Cube Squirrel Girl > All, there's no other answer. People need to stop pretending that power levels and Omega classes and action-precedents mean a damn thing in comic books. They don't, because whoever a writer wants to win will always win, even if it's Jimmy Olsen going up against the Living Tribunal.
In a medium where
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After Goblin Nation I can't tell whether norman is useless or way too OP.
So, he shut down everything otto even attempted to do with some of the dumbest preptime I've ever seen, having a counter-plan for every single inkling of an idea otto had, including a magical scrambling frequency that made every single one of his troops invisible for literally no reason
so that seems OP
but then after peter shows up, he doesn't even try to fight him even though he already had 1001 villanous plans in place, he just packs up and runs and doesn't even attempt to fight him even though he's literally just the same ass spider-man he's fought again and again. What could he have done? webbed him and punched him? otto already tried that shit and norman preptimed out of it. He literally just sees peter, and gives the retreat order. for no reason.
so that seems useless
I flat out don't believe that norman was cured of his insanity, considering how little sense this shit makes.
depends on whether you're talking about their power levels or them as characters
because a lot of spider-man's villains are just "I have superpowers now I'm going to rob banks. mwa ha ha ha ha" while peter deals with personal problems. The only ones that really have any depth to them are goblin, ock, kraven and maybe one or two more i'm forgetting.
So, he shut down everything otto even attempted to do with some of the dumbest preptime I've ever seen, having a counter-plan for every single inkling of an idea otto had, including a magical scrambling frequency that made every single one of his troops invisible for literally no reason
so that seems OP
but then after peter shows up, he doesn't even try to fight him even though he already had 1001 villanous plans in place, he just packs up and runs and doesn't even attempt to fight him even though he's literally just the same ass spider-man he's fought again and again. What could he have done? webbed him and punched him? otto already tried that shit and norman preptimed out of it. He literally just sees peter, and gives the retreat order. for no reason.
so that seems useless
I flat out don't believe that norman was cured of his insanity, considering how little sense this shit makes.
depends on whether you're talking about their power levels or them as characters
because a lot of spider-man's villains are just "I have superpowers now I'm going to rob banks. mwa ha ha ha ha" while peter deals with personal problems. The only ones that really have any depth to them are goblin, ock, kraven and maybe one or two more i'm forgetting.
Manmademan
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Nah, spidey has some legitimately great villains. Some of his B-list is pretty fun as well.
Alistair Smythe, Black Tarantula, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Kingpin, Morbius, The superior foes, Spider Slayers, the tinkerer- and of course....
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