Spiderman Villains VS Batman Villains: Who Wins In A Fight?

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Burt said:
People need to stop pretending that power levels and Omega classes and action-precedents mean a damn thing in comic books. They don't, because whoever a writer wants to win will always win, even if it's Jimmy Olsen going up against the Living Tribunal.
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Burt vs Fun = Burt wins
 
SillyEskimo said:
Burt vs Fun = Burt wins
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always amazing that someone runs in to completely miss the point of these threads and make a jackass of themselves.

here's a hint: the thread is the writer. we're looking at these characters and thinking of plausible scenarios where one wins out over the other. it's just a fun mental exercise.
 
Manmademan said:
always amazing that someone runs in to completely miss the point of these threads and make a jackass of themselves.

here's a hint: the thread is the writer. we're looking at these characters and thinking of plausible scenarios where one wins out over the other. it's just a fun mental exercise.
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no fun allowed
 
Manmademan said:
not really. look what Octopus did to the hulk.

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What?
How grotesquely strong are Otto's legs and core to support the freaking Hulk like that? Heck, how much does Otto weight?
Dude sure don't look like he does leg day.

On the batman vs spiderman villains, i applied the Frank Castle test. Frank wouldn't be able to immediately kill exactly one batman villain, Clayface, so spidey villains take it.
 
lazygecko said:
I wish we'd get some Batman & Spidey teamup comics again. That's less likely to happen than ever before though now that both are under the umbrella of directly competing media behemoths.

The old ones are entertaining though 90's as fuck. Carnage got starstruck by Joker.

Edit: Catwoman Vs Black Cat?
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Missed this one. Felicia Hardy alters probability now, so...
 
The Silver said:
Who wins, Sentry at the top of his game( include Death Seed and the Void if you want) vs Thanos?
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The void was kind of broken, If you're including that thing I don't know.

Sentry though? Probably Thanos. Just the sheer fact that one of them has full control of his mental faculties and the other one doesn't is probably the gamebreaker. edit: Thanos also has teleportation as a racial trait. it's possible he could strand sentry in a black hole or something.
 
Its not really a fair fight, in a literal fight. Batman villains are mostly psychological based not physical fighters. I mean shit, thats why I've always hated the crossover stuff in DC cause Superman could wipe Gotham clean in an hour if he wanted to. In a regular "which is better" match-up though, Batman's easily wins against the entire damn industry, let alone Spiderman. So in that case, putting any rogues gallery up against them isn't fair.
 
Would be interesting to throw in the x-men villains as well(not the god tier ones)


How would magneto or apocalypse do vs the spidey villains?
 
Spork4000 said:
Did you really just bring up injustice as if it was canon?
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There are hundreds of multiverse's within both Marvel and DC. I don't think we can arbitrarily write off one version of the joker when that particular version isn't even doing anything that the Joker couldn't or wouldn't normally do.
 
NIGHT- said:
Would be interesting to throw in the x-men villains as well(not the god tier ones)


How would magneto or apocalypse do vs the spidey villains?
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ooooooooooooooooooooooook

Gleethor said:
There are hundreds of multiverse's within both Marvel and DC. I don't think we can arbitrarily write off one version of the joker when that particular version isn't even doing anything that the Joker couldn't or wouldn't normally do.
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Marvel has millions, no known upper end to how many universes there are. DC though?

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edit: this one is a little better.

Earth-0 aka New Earth aka The DC Universe: The Earth existing in the primary reality following the Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis events. [13] Specifically referred to as Earth-0/Zero in Final Crisis #7.
Earth-1: Originally this Earth was defended by characters that resemble the Silver-Age Heroes of Pre-Crisis Earth-One. It has now been repurposed as an Earth featuring 21st century modern takes on the DC heroes.[14]
Earth-2: This Earth is defended by Justice Society Infinity, a successive version of the original Justice Society whose members include Batman's daughter, the Huntress, and an older Robin. Reminiscent of Pre-Crisis Earth-Two.
Earth-3 aka Crime Society Universe: Criminal versions of Earth-2's JSA. [15][16]
Earth-4 aka Charlton Universe: Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, and the Question, among others, are the heroes of this Earth. Reminiscent of Pre-Crisis Earth-Four. [17]
Earth-5 aka Fawcett Universe: The Marvel Family are Earth's main heroes on a world of magic. Reminiscent of Pre-Crisis Earth-S. [18]
Earth-6: World including version of Ray Palmer who becomes The Ray.
Earth-7: World including version of Courtney Whitmore who becomes known as Starwoman.
Earth-8: Home world of Lord Havok and the Extremists. This Earth contains heroes similar to those of Marvel Comics. [19][20]
Earth-9: The Tangent Universe
Earth-10 aka Quality Universe: The original Freedom Fighters fight Nazi counterparts of the JLA. [21]
Earth-11: A reverse gender Earth.[22]
Earth-12 aka The Next Generation Universe: A future world inhabited by a version of Batman "beyond anything ever seen". [23]
Earth-13: World of dark and arcane heroes.
Earth-14: unknown
Earth-15: A populated parellel developed Earth whose people have evolved to become "nearly perfect beings" [24] of their own personal development. [25] Earth-15 was completely destroyed by Kal-El (Earth-Prime). The source dimension and other inhabited planets of that dimension continue to exist.
Earth-16: Originally intended for the Super-Sons of Earth-154, it later became the source Earth of Christopher Kent the alternate Superman. This has since been changed into the home dimension of the Young Justice TV Series.
Earth-17: A post-apocalyptic world where the Atomic Knights protect the last signs of life. [26] On this Earth, science and magic apparently co-exist - this Earth's greatest hero is Superdemon
Earth-18 aka The Justice Riders Universe: A world where the JLA are a group of lawmen who ride the Wild West. [27]
Earth-19 aka Gotham by Gaslight Universe: Batman fights Jack the Ripper in the 1880s. [28]
Earth-20: Home to a group of pulp-inspired heroes, the Society of Super-Heroes, led by Doc Fate
Earth-21 aka DC: The New Frontier Universe: A world where the Cold War has recently ended, and a new age of heroes has begun. [29] [30]
Earth-22 aka Kingdom Come Universe: A near-future world brought to the brink of apocalypse by warring superheroes. Starman confirms that before he came back to the 21st Century during the Lightning Saga, he was accidently shunted to Earth-22 ("No one liked each other there very much!"). [31] [32]
Earth-23: unknown
Earth-24: unknown
Earth-25: unknown
Earth-26: Home of the cartoon animal superheroes Captain Carrot & The Zoo Crew.[33]
Earth-27: unknown
Earth-28: unknown
Earth-29: unknown
Earth-30 aka Red Son Universe: Superman is a champion of Cold War-era Soviet Russia. [34]
Earth-31: A "darker version of the future;" AKA Frank Miller's Batman universe [35]
Earth-32 aka In Darkest Knight Universe: Bruce Wayne becomes Green Lantern instead of Hal Jordan. [36]
Earth-33: A mystical earth where all of the heroes have magic-based powers, including Bat-Mage, and Kal-El, wielder of Kryptonian Magicks. Ruled by the multiversal seer Oracle.
Earth-34 aka The Amazonia Universe: Wonder Woman frees Britain from oppression under the reign of King Jack. [37] [38]
Earth-35: unknown
Earth-36: unknown
Earth-37: Thrillkiller Universe
Earth-38: Homeworld to a Captain Atom who leads the Atomic Knights.
Earth-39: Homeworld of Daniel Garrett who became Blue Beetle the same way as Jaime Reyes.
Earth-40: The Liberty Files world, where costumed heroes and villains have joined World War II. [39]
Earth-41: unknown
Earth-42: unknown
Earth-43: A world of vampires and the supernatural, inhabited by a vampire Batman. [40]
Earth-44: Unknown, but its main heroes were a group of robots called the Metal Men, led by "Doc Tornado".[41]
Earth-45: unknown
Earth-46: unknown
Earth-47: unknown
Earth-48 aka The War World Universe: Native home of the Forerunners, creatures bred by the Monitors from all the alien races of the solar system after the destruction of all human life on Earth in a war against other planets. This universe's counterpart of J'onn J'onzz is a general in the Martian army.
Earth-49: unknown
Earth-50: The Wildstorm Universe. [42]
Earth-51: "A near perfect world. No mention of crime, war, poverty, disease .." [43] Universe-51 was later destroyed as a result of Monarch's Containment Suit being destroyed at the hands of Superman-Prime.
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Really, we first need to establish if we're talking about street level Batverse or Justice League level Batverse.
If street level, most of Spider-Mans rogues win it. If JL-level, probably most of the powered Bat-villains take it.
 
Buddha Beam said:
Really, we first need to establish if we're talking about street level Batverse or Justice League level Batverse.
If street level, most of Spider-Mans rogues win it. If JL-level, probably most of the powered Bat-villains take it.
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Why would you bring the Justice League into it? You do that then you bring in the Avengers Rogue's gallery which includes fucking Thanos.

So no.
 
Buddha Beam said:
Really, we first need to establish if we're talking about street level Batverse or Justice League level Batverse.
If street level, most of Spider-Mans rogues win it. If JL-level, probably most of the powered Bat-villains take it.
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the villain list is in the OP.

I missed the alternate question though, regarding how each hero would do vs. their respective rogues galleries.

I think the answer to that one is pretty obvious.
 
plasmawave said:
Can someone explain to me why Carnage gets barely any mentions at all?
Is it because he looks too much like Venom?
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he got mentioned a few times (usually in conjunction with venom) but there's not really much to say there. Similar character to venom, but an indiscriminate killer.

Both of them are nearly impossible to take down without plot devices tailored to their specific weaknesses.
 
plasmawave said:
Can someone explain to me why Carnage gets barely any mentions at all?
Is it because he looks too much like Venom?
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He's a terrible product of the 90's obsession with X-TREME characters.

He's like Venom, but more X-TREME dude, to the gnarly max bro.
 
I don't get why we keep having these threads. Anyone in the Marvel Universe could defeat anyone in the DC Universe, e.g.: Squirrel Girl could defeat The Presence.
 
Spideman villains would win. Venom and Juggernaut > All batman villains

Honestly though, if Spiderman was pit up against Batman's enemies, I think he might go insane trying to fight the Joker.
 
Pegosaurus said:
Spideman villains would win. Venom and Juggernaut > All batman villains

Honestly though, if Spiderman was pit up against Batman's enemies, I think he might go insane trying to fight the Joker.
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Can't imagine why. How many green goblins have there been by now? 5? Plus jack-o-lantern? There's only so many giggling psychopaths throwing bombs you can face before it becomes routine. Plus the whole "carnage" thing.

edit: oh, and THESE pieces of work-

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If spider man hasnt gone insane already, he's not going to.
 
Pegosaurus said:
Spideman villains would win. Venom and Juggernaut > All batman villains

Honestly though, if Spiderman was pit up against Batman's enemies, I think he might go insane trying to fight the Joker.
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If he didn't go insane from learning Gwen had two children with Norman, I think he'll be okay with a clown
 
Pegosaurus said:
Honestly though, if Spiderman was pit up against Batman's enemies, I think he might go insane trying to fight the Joker.
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Nah. If it got to the point where Parker became aware of what Joker was capable of as far as mass murder and personal psychological warfare goes, Joker would be murdered.

If Peter Parker replaced Batman, not only would there be no ambiguity in the ending of The Killing Joke, but it never would have gotten to that point to begin with.
 
Wouldn't Osborne just pay off Deathstroke and recruit him for the Spidey side? Is there anyone on the Batman villain side that could outbid Osborne for Slade's services?
 
Calamari41 said:
Nah. If it got to the point where Parker became aware of what Joker was capable of as far as mass murder and personal psychological warfare goes, Joker would be murdered.

If Peter Parker replaced Batman, not only would there be no ambiguity in the ending of The Killing Joke, but it never would have gotten to that point to begin with.
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Has Peter Parker actually killed someone before? Carnage, Norman Osborne and others have very high body counts as well. I think Spider-man is actually one of the least likely Marvel heroes to cross that line.

PhoncipleBone said:
Wouldn't Osborne just pay off Deathstroke and recruit him for the Spidey side? Is there anyone on the Batman villain side that could outbid Osborne for Slade's services?
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Maybe Ra's
 
Batman villians like Deathstroke, Bane,Mr. Freeze, and Ra can take out many of Spiderman's with prep but would just lose in a random encounter.

Juggernaut really makes the list unbalanced. I thought he was more of a Xmen villian.

comedy bomb said:
Peter has been pushed to the point of killing before hasn't he? I'd imagine if he did go insane the Joker would be dead.
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Joker would count that as a win.
 
kswiston said:
Has Peter Parker actually killed someone before? Carnage, Norman Osborne and others have very high body counts as well. I think Spider-man is actually one of the least likely Marvel heroes to cross that line.



Maybe Ra's
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I guess my point wasn't so much that he would pull a Punisher on Joker's ass right away, but that if it got to the point where Peter was so psychologically damaged and assaulted that it would cause him to lose a fight with a guy who has zero strength, it would also push him past the point of murder.

He doesn't have a psychosis that stops him from killing like Batman does, basically. That's what I was getting at when I said that it wouldn't get to the Killing Joke point to get Peter to put a stop to the bullshit.

onipex said:
Joker would count that as a win.
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Maybe, but that's because he's insane. Nobody else would count that as a win for Joker and a loss for Spidey. Nobody except Batman, which is also his own psychological problem.
 
Calamari41 said:
I guess my point wasn't so much that he would pull a Punisher on Joker's ass right away, but that if it got to the point where Peter was so psychologically damaged and assaulted that it would cause him to lose a fight with a guy who has zero strength, it would also push him past the point of murder.

He doesn't have a psychosis that stops him from killing like Batman does, basically. That's what I was getting at when I said that it wouldn't get to the Killing Joke point to get Peter to put a stop to the bullshit.
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He was willing to kill Octavius before the whole superior spider man business started, but was unable to because ock outprepped him. Rationalized it by saying it was better than the alternative, and he would simply "give up" being spider man afterwards.
 
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