[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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foxuzamaki
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Get ready for avengers infinity wars
foxuzamaki
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Her last scene was an obvious hint at that, which also weirdly hints that she's still evil having fire rise from below her, keep in mind that in the comics psylocke is a good guyl
E the Shaggy
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I took it as "Oh shit, the Phoenix." and he thought of himself as weak and accepted death.
Minor nitpick, but was it weird that seemingly Quicksilver had super strength? Hurling kids into the air during the explosion and knocking around Apocalypse like a pinball.
I thought the fight would have been much better if Quicksilver broke his hand against Apoc the first time he tried to hit him.
foxuzamaki
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If your moving as fast as quicksilver, you do infact get quite a increase in strength, infact the faster you move, the harder your gonna hit something for instance.
Pupperbabysassy
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In the X-men universe, doesn't being related to another mutant negates their powers?
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, a mutants powers can't harm themselves, and if you're related to a mutant, and you try to use your powers on your sibling, the powers will cancel out.
Because it would be kind of difficult to rule a planet that was an irradiated waste zone. Mutants aren't immune to radiation.
Alx
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I didn't know it was a general rule. Does it work with parents/children ? Is Magneto immune to Wanda's magic ? And all the Summers children immune to optic blasts ? Can't Nightcrawler teleport Mystique ?
What im really curious about is....
(also im really embarassed about asking it because its probably a very stupid question)
...does that actually work in real life?
I mean, fire all the nukes into space, we are suddenly free of all nuclear warfare?
Wouldnt it just.... i dont know.... bite earth in the ass sometime later?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It appeared they put them far enough out in orbit that they wouldn't come back down. Also, if they still have their momentum then they'd just keep moving further and further away from Earth. Some may get pulled into a gravitational field of another planet or moon though.
1 - What could go wrong aside from "Well, this one didnt get far enough and the earth gravity is pulling it back"? I mean, if it hits the moon, the sun, other planets.... anything could go wrong?
2 - (not a question but) maybe alien races from the xmen universe could get really mad about this event, like "What the hell is earth thinking sending nuclear missiles in all directions?" and decide to retaliate earth in some future xmen movie
1. Nothing really. Superman sent all the nukes to the sun in Superman 4 and it was fine, haha.
2. The odds of an alien race encountering any of those nukes is so small I wouldn't worry about it. Space is a HUUUUUUUGE place.
3. We're overthinking an X-Men movie, just enjoy the ride!
Alx
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If things were realistic, the missile controls would certainly not survive re-entry, and the worse that would happen would be to have lumps of radioactive materials fall back on earth. Although if we were to be realistic, the missiles would certainly not have enough power to escape earth gravity to begin with.
Also by the time the missiles exit the solar system and reach alien civilization, our own star would be long dead.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Just got home from watching this. I liked it! Theater was nearly empty, but of course some old dude that was making a shit ton of sound, including laughing when no one was, chewing abnoxiously loud, and making moaning/troubled breathing sounds sat right next to us...
Bring on the 90's xmen!
Bring on the 90's xmen!
Instead of reviewing it, I'll just do a tier list of character lines/importance.
Major: Xavier, Magneto, Apocalypse, Jean Grey
A Good Bit: Mystique, Quicksilver, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Moira, Beast
Appropriate Amount: Havok, Stryker
Long Stretches of Nothing: Storm, Angel, Psylocke
Look How Cut I Can Get: Jubilee
I liked the movie for the dumb fun, but the biggest offenders were Storm/Psylocke/Angel just standing around in the background saying nothing at all. I've had enough of Xavier and Magneto getting the focus for 6 films already. It's time for Storm and Cyclops to rise.
Also, that shipping port container CG...holy shit what the fuck were they thinking.
Major: Xavier, Magneto, Apocalypse, Jean Grey
A Good Bit: Mystique, Quicksilver, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Moira, Beast
Appropriate Amount: Havok, Stryker
Long Stretches of Nothing: Storm, Angel, Psylocke
Look How Cut I Can Get: Jubilee
I liked the movie for the dumb fun, but the biggest offenders were Storm/Psylocke/Angel just standing around in the background saying nothing at all. I've had enough of Xavier and Magneto getting the focus for 6 films already. It's time for Storm and Cyclops to rise.
Also, that shipping port container CG...holy shit what the fuck were they thinking.
GitarooMan
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Man I thought this movie was fucking great. I don't know if it will change over time but right now impressions are super positive. Love the Phoenix ending its like Singer continuing to take back everything ruined by X3 and make it better. Good performances too. Even though Angel doesn't do much at least he's in this movie. And Quicksilver was great again.
Miles Quaritch
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Was that Munn at the beginning? The Horseman who sacrificed herself to protect Apoc as the pyramid collapsed on top of him?
Looked a little like her under all that makeup.
Looked a little like her under all that makeup.
Miles Quaritch
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It wasn't. They were all stunt doubles. The other woman (not the one that protects Apocalypse) is actually Storm's stunt double. Saw some of their behind the scenes photos on Twitter.
Ah, thanks.
The OG Horseman were amazing. Shame we didn't get to see more of them.
Razgriz-Specter
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Same for Flash but he has the speed force excuse as backup.
Basically at that speed they have kinetic energy which amplifies their hits and protects them from hits as well.
I think Flash's mass technically goes up with his speed as well but im not sure about Quicksilver.
I saw it and thoroughly enjoyed the film! Crowded theater, lots of reactions including "oh no's" in one scene in the woods, and lots of laughter. I had a great time. They had me at John Ottman's score, I love that X2 theme. I don't get the interest in the Jubilee character. To me, its enough just to show her a few times for continuity. I didn't see any characters that I thought were short-changed - with the exception of Psylocke, whom I only know from the Capcom games.
XM:A had the best Cyclops ever. Cyclops and Havoc, the Summer brothers are finally together in scenes. And Cyclops wasn't the sulky, whiny angry Scott from X1-X3 thankfully, and he used his raw optic blast power several times.
About Jean Grey. I liked the character, and was especially surprised and loved her final scenes showing her true power
. However, I found the actress was underplaying it a bit - kind of dull? Hope she improves. At this point, I can't imagine caring as much about this version as I did about her in X2 and X3.
And Oscar Isaac as Apocalypse was a bit underplayed as well. Definitely not a very interesting or compelling villain to me. He was like an old sedate guy. He had but a fraction of the menace that old Magneto had, from the OT. I didn't understand if he was mind-controlling the 4 horsemen, or if they chose to follow him of their own free will?
But despite these two , the rest of the writing and cast made the film very enjoyable to me. The QuickSilver scene was surprisingly and hilariously even better than the one in DOFP.
Psylocke was like a glorified cameo appearance, with her best scene ruined by the trailer (splitting the car in half). Did Olivia Munn even speak? Looks like she is evil in this version. I knew little of the character before this film, and I know nothing else of her after watching it.
Come to think of it, I actually didn't understand what Magneto was doing at the end with his circular magnetism / metal shards. Maybe somebody can explain that to me.
XM:A had the best Cyclops ever. Cyclops and Havoc, the Summer brothers are finally together in scenes. And Cyclops wasn't the sulky, whiny angry Scott from X1-X3 thankfully, and he used his raw optic blast power several times.
About Jean Grey. I liked the character, and was especially surprised and loved her final scenes showing her true power
and the Phoenix already shown! Singer isn't wasting time!
And Oscar Isaac as Apocalypse was a bit underplayed as well. Definitely not a very interesting or compelling villain to me. He was like an old sedate guy. He had but a fraction of the menace that old Magneto had, from the OT. I didn't understand if he was mind-controlling the 4 horsemen, or if they chose to follow him of their own free will?
But despite these two , the rest of the writing and cast made the film very enjoyable to me. The QuickSilver scene was surprisingly and hilariously even better than the one in DOFP.
Psylocke was like a glorified cameo appearance, with her best scene ruined by the trailer (splitting the car in half). Did Olivia Munn even speak? Looks like she is evil in this version. I knew little of the character before this film, and I know nothing else of her after watching it.
Come to think of it, I actually didn't understand what Magneto was doing at the end with his circular magnetism / metal shards. Maybe somebody can explain that to me.
GitarooMan
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I forgot to mention I also though the Danger Room tease at the end was awesome
I don't know how true is Nightcrawler to the sources, and less if he is like in the Evolution animated series, but definitely he is my favorite character in this movie. Jean is fine, but she needs to shine (and don't in that way lol) more in the next movie.
This movie... has serious problems, by the way. The script is hilarious sometimes and focus mostly on Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, but I loved the few scenes where the characters seems like a family. At first I thought it don't have many action, but the interaction between them are the highlight aspect why I love X-Men.
This movie... has serious problems, by the way. The script is hilarious sometimes and focus mostly on Xavier, Magneto and Mystique, but I loved the few scenes where the characters seems like a family. At first I thought it don't have many action, but the interaction between them are the highlight aspect why I love X-Men.
True Savior
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Like First Class and Days of Future Past, this was quite entertaining. But they are very repetitive. First Class still benefits heavily from the centrality of both McAvoy and Fassbender, while the other two dilute much of the narrative through several focus which all pale in comparison with this two guys. I would have like to seen a more direct action movie (more innovative shit or just entertaining ones as the Quicksilver is, one again). I don't need more Magneto drama. Nor seeing the horsemen stand for 30 minutes in between scenes.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I just realized that Magneto sacrificing his secret identity to save someone's life makes him a better hero than Henry Cavill Superman.
My problem with this movie is the focus on Magneto, Xavier and Mystique. I'm sick of their dynamic as well as Wolverine. Let some other mutants shine, yes even minor ones like Jubilee and Psylocke.
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thecouncil
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It seemed Magneto misinterpreted something Apocalypse said because it didn't seem like he understood what was going on himself.
Apocalypse should've gone up to him and straight up asked, "What are you doing?"
Magneto's response would've been, "I... I don't know".
After the horrible 90s cartoon rendition, and SIXTEEN YEARS since the first film...FINALLY, the JEAN GREY I've always wanted to see on the big screen!!!
The movie has its flaws clearly, but i'm very happy with how Jean was portrayed throughout the movie(not just "that moment")...I was even surprised that the "bad dream" seen was more than just "something bad's gonna happen", but that she was actually shaking the mansion, and there was the molecular telekinesis stuff happening on the walls. It ties into X2 with Scott saying now when she has bad dreams the whole house shakes...and X3, with Jean de-molecularizing stuff when agitated.
I loved seeing her battle Apocalypse simultaneously on the physical and psychic planes
I don't get the "Singer blew his Phoenix load already" complaints...we are 16 years deep with only a tease(end of X2) and a complete misfire(X3) as far as Phoenix stuff goes...I like that it was still catalyzed via a life or death situation, but moreso to save Xavier's life, rather than having to die herself.
Those complaining about how easily she controlled it...well for starters, she didn't immediately lose control in the comics either...that was the Hellfire Club's doing. Jean was good Phoenix for the vast majority of the original run. Second, are we forgetting the point of DOFP? Things needed to change.
Originally, Xavier walled off her potential, causing a split personality to develop, with Jean mainly being repressed, and "Phoenix" subconsciously brewing. This lead to her power suddenly increasing between X1(radiation scene) and X2 when those blocks started to wear down, without the means to properly deal with it...she was constantly fearing it, and it caused disruptive moments(shorting out after destroying 1 of the 2 missiles that were fired at the Blackbird).
Now it seems Xavier lets her know of her potential(you have the strongest mind i've ever felt), and near the end, encourages her to embrace it and use it to save them all. Thus we have a proper "Good Phoenix", and hopefully much more integrated. Jean is growing into her vast powers much more naturally this time.
Btw, Singer loves his self-references...the "doesn't it wake you at night..." "I feel a great swell of pity for the poor souls who come looking for trouble", dialog for instance
The movie has its flaws clearly, but i'm very happy with how Jean was portrayed throughout the movie(not just "that moment")...I was even surprised that the "bad dream" seen was more than just "something bad's gonna happen", but that she was actually shaking the mansion, and there was the molecular telekinesis stuff happening on the walls. It ties into X2 with Scott saying now when she has bad dreams the whole house shakes...and X3, with Jean de-molecularizing stuff when agitated.
I loved seeing her battle Apocalypse simultaneously on the physical and psychic planes
I don't get the "Singer blew his Phoenix load already" complaints...we are 16 years deep with only a tease(end of X2) and a complete misfire(X3) as far as Phoenix stuff goes...I like that it was still catalyzed via a life or death situation, but moreso to save Xavier's life, rather than having to die herself.
Those complaining about how easily she controlled it...well for starters, she didn't immediately lose control in the comics either...that was the Hellfire Club's doing. Jean was good Phoenix for the vast majority of the original run. Second, are we forgetting the point of DOFP? Things needed to change.
Originally, Xavier walled off her potential, causing a split personality to develop, with Jean mainly being repressed, and "Phoenix" subconsciously brewing. This lead to her power suddenly increasing between X1(radiation scene) and X2 when those blocks started to wear down, without the means to properly deal with it...she was constantly fearing it, and it caused disruptive moments(shorting out after destroying 1 of the 2 missiles that were fired at the Blackbird).
Now it seems Xavier lets her know of her potential(you have the strongest mind i've ever felt), and near the end, encourages her to embrace it and use it to save them all. Thus we have a proper "Good Phoenix", and hopefully much more integrated. Jean is growing into her vast powers much more naturally this time.
Btw, Singer loves his self-references...the "doesn't it wake you at night..." "I feel a great swell of pity for the poor souls who come looking for trouble", dialog for instance
There was one thing that this movie didn't seem to follow up with. Mystique was disguised as Stryker at the end of the DOFP when they recovered Wolverine's body. I know that this was supposed to set up the Weapon X program, but I don't understand what the point was for Mystique to be involved in that. Especially when they made a point of showing Mystique in disguise at the end of DOFP.
Violence Jack
Member
I rather liked the movie. I wish Mystique wasn't so prominent. It just feels weird to me.
I hate that the trailer spoiled Wolverine appearing, but it was kind of expected. Badass rampage scene though.
Apocalypse was disappointing to me, but I can't figure out why.
Loved the snipe at X3 with the "the 3rd one is always the worst" line. Ironically, this was the worst of the new timeline x-men films out of the three.
I hate that the trailer spoiled Wolverine appearing, but it was kind of expected. Badass rampage scene though.
Apocalypse was disappointing to me, but I can't figure out why.
Loved the snipe at X3 with the "the 3rd one is always the worst" line. Ironically, this was the worst of the new timeline x-men films out of the three.
Haloid1177
Banned
Phoenix force bullshit annoyed me so much, and the timeline of these characters not aging is getting really annoying, but Quicksilver was awesome and I enjoyed this Nightcrawler quite a bit.
5/10, not upper tier X-Men movie but probably in the middle.
5/10, not upper tier X-Men movie but probably in the middle.
- Apocs back story was horrible
- So many awkward little moments like when Charles and Eric talk and Apoc and three of the horsemen are just standing there while Apoc forms armor or something for one of them completely ignoring that Eric is talking out loud to someone?
- Storm did nothing. Little gust of wind so they could rip off that dude and then she threw a car and a quick lightening bolt at the end.
+ Cyclops was solid
- 2002 action scenes
+ Wolverine/Hugh Jackman
+ Oliva Munn is pretty solid
+ Quicksilver is fun. Even if he is Flash tier op.
+ Jean/phoenix was dope. Needs to up the acting though.
- Fuck Mystique/JLaw
-Apoc looks like a blue/purple old dude half the time. He had some cool/intimidating moments at least.
6/10
- So many awkward little moments like when Charles and Eric talk and Apoc and three of the horsemen are just standing there while Apoc forms armor or something for one of them completely ignoring that Eric is talking out loud to someone?
- Storm did nothing. Little gust of wind so they could rip off that dude and then she threw a car and a quick lightening bolt at the end.
+ Cyclops was solid
- 2002 action scenes
+ Wolverine/Hugh Jackman
+ Oliva Munn is pretty solid
+ Quicksilver is fun. Even if he is Flash tier op.
+ Jean/phoenix was dope. Needs to up the acting though.
- Fuck Mystique/JLaw
-Apoc looks like a blue/purple old dude half the time. He had some cool/intimidating moments at least.
6/10
ffejeromdiks
Banned
I actually really enjoyed the movie, went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised, I liked it a lot more than DOFP, it actually even kind of retroactively made me appreciate future past more since they really gave some added weight to the climax.
Movie had tons of flaws but the one that is just...ridiculously dumb to me is how we spend 5 minutes watching quicksilver save hundreds of students in the time span of 10 seconds?....yet Stryker shows up with his helicopter and just shoots them?! are you kidding me? With the powers he just demonstrated it makes no sense why he couldn't have dispatched every single one of those fools the microsecond those weapons started pointing towards them.
Movie had tons of flaws but the one that is just...ridiculously dumb to me is how we spend 5 minutes watching quicksilver save hundreds of students in the time span of 10 seconds?....yet Stryker shows up with his helicopter and just shoots them?! are you kidding me? With the powers he just demonstrated it makes no sense why he couldn't have dispatched every single one of those fools the microsecond those weapons started pointing towards them.
I enjoyed the movie, didn't like Mystiques parts. Jubilee was in the movie? Wolverine cameo was so forced. Also Magneto is just hanging around doing nothing?
Loved how menacing Apocalypse was. Amazing. The scenes where he kills everyone in the factory with no remorse. Damn. Biggest regret is that he probably isn't coming back.
Loved how menacing Apocalypse was. Amazing. The scenes where he kills everyone in the factory with no remorse. Damn. Biggest regret is that he probably isn't coming back.
foxuzamaki
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I think his powers probably work if he is ready and adrelanine, if he isnt just aware of the danger he wont react fast enough as he seemingly can go from percieving everyone and everything in slow motion to just regularly.
same with quicksilver in avengers, he should have easily dodge those bullets that killed him under normal circumstances
I'm so grateful she turned down the role as Venessa.
Damn this hurts to read. I was skeptical, but yeah she was barely in the movie.
I didn't like this movie much, but that was pretty heavily telegraphed because I was middle of the road on DOFP and everyone warned me that this wasn't as good so...
I will say this. I am freaking SHOCKED that out of this movie the person I loved the most was Jean Grey. Game of Throne girl (I'm bad with names) nailed that shit man. She was my favorite part of this movie by far.
5/10 overall for me.
twozerotwo
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Watched it today. Just like with BvS I don't think it's a terrible movie, per se, just a huge disappointment compared to what it could've(and I wanted it to have) been.
Jubes, Storm, Angel and Psy could've been replaced midway through the movie and I wouldn't have noticed.
McAvoy and The Fass were great as usual. I'm torn on how to feel about Oscar. Some of his delivery was hella cheesy but with the character, I'm not sure if that could've been avoided.
I really liked Kurt and QS. Peter(why isn't his name Pietro?) is still OP(and I'll quit complaining about it now) but they gave him a personality this time around and I thought he was great.
Fingers crossed JLaw doesn't return. She does nothing for me.
5-6/10. Would watch again but probably not many more times after that.
Jubes, Storm, Angel and Psy could've been replaced midway through the movie and I wouldn't have noticed.
McAvoy and The Fass were great as usual. I'm torn on how to feel about Oscar. Some of his delivery was hella cheesy but with the character, I'm not sure if that could've been avoided.
I really liked Kurt and QS. Peter(why isn't his name Pietro?) is still OP(and I'll quit complaining about it now) but they gave him a personality this time around and I thought he was great.
Fingers crossed JLaw doesn't return. She does nothing for me.
5-6/10. Would watch again but probably not many more times after that.
Boss Doggie
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I feel Alexandra Shipp nailed it with Storm. Way better with the characyer than Halle. Here is hoping she can be utilized for the future sequels.
Felt the movie tried to do too much and suffered for it. But I think it was a great movie and this new trilogy easily better than the last.
Felt the movie tried to do too much and suffered for it. But I think it was a great movie and this new trilogy easily better than the last.
She was basically eye candy in the film. The role just wasn't developed well. By comparison look at what Jennifer Lawrence was given to work with. Even though I hate splitting movies, this movie would have been better as a two parter.
I liked her as well, and now that she'll be at the school, I have she and Jean can start their iconic sisterly bond, which was sorely missing from the original series.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
X-Men: Apocalypse is a messy follow-up to Days of Future Past. There are a lot of characters, but to me, the only compelling ones are the newcomers. Singer has always excelled at showing mutants coming to terms with their abilities and outsider status. Its unfortunate that the rest of the film doesn't have the same kind of emotional resonance. Apocalypse is a boring villain, giving the same speech about the world losing its way over and over again. Magneto is in an interesting place when we first see him, but he quickly reverts to arguing with Xavier about his morality for the hundredth time. Jennifer Lawrence isn't given much to work with as the dull leader Mystique. The action scenes are a hodgepodge of flashing lights and destruction. Quicksilver has another fun sequence, even if it (ironically) lasts a little too long. Overall, the film is a disappointment that doesn't have enough of the good character moments that Singer usually nails.
CloudyTuba
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I thought the first half of the movie was about as interesting as a brown paper bag and Apocalypse himself had an equal amount of character. The entire setup and buildup was badly done.
Once Singer got beyond that apparently pesky annoyance called "plot" and just started going for the gratuitous nerdgasms, the final hour was a whole lot of fun. The movie leaves you with a good taste in your mouth which may fool some into forgetting how much of the movie sucked.
I'd probably like this movie a whole lot more if the first half were cut in half itself. That wouldn't help Apocalypse to be more than a cardboard cutout, though.
In the case of DOFP I liked the longer cut more. In this case I wish there were a shorter cut.
In Singer's defense, he did try to warn me. "The third in a trilogy is always the worst."
Once Singer got beyond that apparently pesky annoyance called "plot" and just started going for the gratuitous nerdgasms, the final hour was a whole lot of fun. The movie leaves you with a good taste in your mouth which may fool some into forgetting how much of the movie sucked.
I'd probably like this movie a whole lot more if the first half were cut in half itself. That wouldn't help Apocalypse to be more than a cardboard cutout, though.
In the case of DOFP I liked the longer cut more. In this case I wish there were a shorter cut.
In Singer's defense, he did try to warn me. "The third in a trilogy is always the worst."
yes I know
Tawney Bomb
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Movie was entertaining. It's like seeing the 90s cartoon all over again...kind of. Wish some of the characters got more time, Storm and Jubilee in particular. Apocalypse could've been better, but was serviceable. Glad they acknowledged the Phoenix too and the costumes at the end so good. Bring on Mister Sinister.
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