That makes even less sense, seeing that it wouldn't be much of an adoption of she has been abanded at like 4.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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That makes even less sense, seeing that it wouldn't be much of an adoption of she has been abanded at like 4.
Her. And yes it would. "She's only special because she's an Skywalker and was predestined to be so". Yawn,
Ether_Snake
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I think it's far more likely that some space-pirates stole a bunch of stuff once, including this kid, and then sold their loot here and there. There was supposed to be actual space pirates in the original script and we know the Falcon was stolen and sold to Unkar too.
Reposting this on the new page too:
R2 woke up because BB8 spoke to him, confirmed by JJ and Kasdan. Just took a while to boot up.
Unkar isn't really protecting her, a cut scene involved him trying to kill Rey at Maz's castle for stealing the falcon and getting his arm ripped off by Chewie. Guy is evil. He calls the first order on her ass too when she has the droid. The movie goes out of its way to tell us she was left in bad hands. Not Luke for sure unless he wanted her to die or live miserably.
Reposting this on the new page too:
R2 woke up because BB8 spoke to him, confirmed by JJ and Kasdan. Just took a while to boot up.
Unkar isn't really protecting her, a cut scene involved him trying to kill Rey at Maz's castle for stealing the falcon and getting his arm ripped off by Chewie. Guy is evil. He calls the first order on her ass too when she has the droid. The movie goes out of its way to tell us she was left in bad hands. Not Luke for sure unless he wanted her to die or live miserably.
the black pearl
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It would feel too telegraphed at this point.
Dunno if bad storytelling, but it goes clearly beyond coincidence.
Obi Wan Kenobi lived relatively near Luke, on purpose; when Princess Leia sends R2 and 3po after Kenobi, they inevitably go near Luke too; the coincidence is that they are captured by Jawas and sold to Luke's family, but if they had been sold to someone else, R2 would have escaped anyway and made his way to Obi Wan, same if they had not been captured at all. Obi Wan knew of Luke, and chances are he would have approached him to invite him on an adventure anyway. The EU used to say that Obi Wan had left journals for Luke to train. Obi Wan plan was always to train Luke somehow, and R2 is a perfect excuse.
There's no reason for Rey and BB to meet; BB just wants out of the planet and lucked into meeting her. If BB had been captured and taken away, like it almost happens, he would have ended away from Rey, and Rey had no monetary means to buy him, if they meet again by dumb luck.
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The Librarian
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She was left on Jakku at age 7.
And her conversation with Maz can be fitted to support this theory.
Maz says something like, "The people who left you on Jakku will not return. But there is still one person you can turn to."
Then Rey responds, "Luke."
funkystudent
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What if Rey is Kylo's twin sister and its a twist on the Luke / leia reveal but one sibling is light and the other was dark?
I guess Han really is a crappy father if that were the case.
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Nah she says "whoever you are waiting for on Jakku won't come back. But someone can." "Luke". That's different. Either it means Luke went to Jakku before, or can come back in her life.
Then I'm looking forward to the hoops they would have to jump through to explain how Kylo didn't know about his twin sister and how Han and Leia show no concern for their missing child either
I know. It's starting to hurt already.
Bobby Roberts
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That's pretty reductive, though, isn't it? Is that the only reason she's special? Does the fact she's related to Luke wipe away everything about her that made her work for this movie?
Why would it do that?
QuantumZebra
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I'm fairly positive that final hit that Rey put on Ren completely fucked his face up. If you look closely hes got a gnarly gash from neck>cheek. I wouldn't be surprised if he has permanent damage/actually needs a mask now.
heliosRAzi
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Clearly Rey is just purgatory and the smoke monster is Poe.
FlashbladeGAF
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Rey could pilot the hell out of the Falcon, but they are dying if they can't fight back.
But it was a combined effort.
How was he inconsequential. He literally showed them where the "weak spot was"
Your right, he did care about her, she was his second friend after all. But as long as they were headed away from the First Order he was fine. Everytime someone mentioned staying on Jakku he was opposed to it.
He only broke his promise(temporarily) with BB-8 when the discussion turned from delivering BB8 to facing the First Order.
Besides, your initial gripe was his development. It might not be night and day, but Fin grew from a stormtrooper with the heart of gold who wanted nothing but to run away from the First Order, to diving head first into a fight with a wannabe Sith.
Bobby Roberts
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Or it simply means Luke can come back to the galaxy. Which is probably the intended meaning, as he's been gone for awhile and the First Order is killing her castle to get to him, and the Resistance will soon be arriving to fight them off... so they can get to him.
When she says "There's someone who can" she means "You, Rey, can help bring Luke back to the rest of us."
No this is definitely contemporary Williams at work here. Most of his work the past few years has focused more on being low key and mood centric like this one. He doesn't try to gun for anything catchy or big these daysIs that your Best of Star Wars themes remix tape?
Anyway my complaint isn't just about the music - reuse the old tunes they're cool - but the music they used in the film it was way too low key, non existent even, and was probably due to JJ or whoever edited
Again, this is not necessarily a bad thing at all.
LegendofLex
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Or can come back from exile.
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The sentence is weird, but yeah could be and is likely just him "coming back" in general. I don't believe Luke is related to Rey at all.
Bluekaveli
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I see, I never knew that.
Ganzlinger
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Maybe they think their daughter is long dead? But I think they should recognize her unless she was really young when they last saw her.
I didn't see this "destroyed" face, honestly.
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The real reason Luke took off is because Rey was his daughter (that was hidden to everyone else) and Luke presumably thought she was killed during the purge of his academy by Kylo Ren, but she was just taken.
The Librarian
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The ship that left Rey on Jakku did seem like another ship that flies alongside Ben's ship on Maz's planet....but it was hard to tell.
FlashbladeGAF
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Not saying real world actors ages matter when playing fictional characters, but Kylo is older than Rey.
Even in her vision that went from the past present and future (Bespin -> Kylo in the snow covered forest) ...Kylo had the Knights of Ren surrounding him just before a young Ren was abandoned on the planet.
the black pearl
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I could kind of buy into the idea that he is her godfather, but didn't know that her parents abandoned her. Her parents could also be dead, but she was force manipulated by someone into thinking they left.
QuantumZebra
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I want to see Luke pulling force hadouken on fools.
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DJ Lushious
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I agree wholeheartedly. I just finished playing Heavenly Sword for the first time and I kept on thinking the same thing.
DarkJediKnight
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I think that's it. He knows why she is there and what she wants to achieve.
Ben Solo is a cautionary tale that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Even being family, and being trained by the greatest living force user, Ben turned to the dark side. Ben had a thirst for power - like Anakin did. Luke did not. His drive was to turn his father over to the light. Without the Jedi order, there's not guarantees that Rey would be a force for good. That would make her dangerous and Luke's failure even more paramount. That's a burden he doesn't want to re-live.
TheWarrior
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I even made the blunder of thinking he didn't score the film because the music was forgettable.
funkystudent
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Rey could just be a no body. Maybe her parents are real dirtbags and found out she was super force sensitive and just didnt want to deal with any of that after seeing all the shit that happened over the years with the Jedi and Sith and sent her packing on Jakku.
That would be kind of relatable and down to earth instead of the normal everyone is related to everyone stuff we normally see in these kind of things.
That would be kind of relatable and down to earth instead of the normal everyone is related to everyone stuff we normally see in these kind of things.
brandonh83
Banned
It may not be as great as the past scores but there are some real gems like Rey's theme and the Resistance theme. "Sucks" is bullshit hyperbole at its best.
Oh Kylo's theme and Scherzo for Xwing are great. And the very last track before credits is amazing.
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Also people keep assuming Rey doesn't remember who her family was, but there is no such indication, she just never speaks about them. People do that to explain why Luke or Leia would be her parents.
There's no indication ever that she doesn't remember who her family was, especially considering the age at which she was left on the planet. If there was a reason to believe she had amnesia, the movie would have covered that somehow.
Her vision's revelation is that her family's ship is seen flying into "something red" like an explosion or they go evil, who knows. Right after Maz tells her her family is never coming back.
There's no indication ever that she doesn't remember who her family was, especially considering the age at which she was left on the planet. If there was a reason to believe she had amnesia, the movie would have covered that somehow.
Her vision's revelation is that her family's ship is seen flying into "something red" like an explosion or they go evil, who knows. Right after Maz tells her her family is never coming back.
Alx
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My only issue with the music was in the rescue scene from the Resistance, when the X-wings are flying over the water. It should have been a "Forth Eorlingas !" moment, but the lack of appropriate music really struck me and removed most of the impact.
I never felt anything wrong for the rest of the movie, music-wise. I actually liked the tone of the last scene a lot.
I never felt anything wrong for the rest of the movie, music-wise. I actually liked the tone of the last scene a lot.
the black pearl
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Personally, I'm not assuming that at all. I just find the idea appealing and I don't think the movie had to cover it. It would give her a conflict with whoever fucked with her memory, and could be a hazard that could turn her to the dark side a source of hatred.
the black pearl
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The thing that lead people in that direction, is that she does seem a bit delusional that she's so confident her parents are coming back, and the movie doesn't articulate why. It seems that perhaps there's something we haven't been told yet, thats all.
brandonh83
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If there's a composer switch for whatever reason they at least need to keep her theme and expand it. John is up there which could be why the score isn't blowing minds like usual despite it still being excellent. That's just the expectations people have for the guy but eventually the tank will run out of gas.
And I wouldn't mind a composer switch. John was able to come in and establish the important themes here, and honestly my favorite "blockbuster" score of the year is still Jurassic World. I know some stingy folk can't accept that there are other composers as capable as John, but Giacchino has been absolutely killing it for me.
Desplat's score for Rogue One is also something we should keep our eyes (ears?) on.
QuantumZebra
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But I agree. Helios and Trotted and some other people in this thread seem to be doing some incredible gymnastics in trying to stretch out their complaints (which somehow all track back to Rey curiously)... "Why did BB8 follow Rey", "Reys arc sux Leia rulez" etc
I mean, if yore abandoned by your family for over 10 years, you either have to be sure you'll see them again or sure that you're alone. Which would you pick while stranded on a shitty desert planet?
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brandonh83
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demosthenes
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Rey was left like 15 years ago, the purge wasn't 15 years ago, it was more recent.
edit: If Rey is Luke's daughter I'm guessing she was taken from him at some point and he thought her to be dead. His tears at the end of TFA are because he thought she was dead or because he sees her as a young him and he's just happy.
LegendofLex
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I don't see how anyone can look at his expression at the end and not see "I'm so sad that it's come to this" written all over his face.
DiipuSurotu
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Also I wish Wedge had agreed to do the film
I think it's for the best. He would have overshadowed Poe.
TheMagician
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Good article on the overly perfect characters in the film.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-29/-the-force-awakens-has-a-perfection-problem
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-29/-the-force-awakens-has-a-perfection-problem
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