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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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funkystudent
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I like the idea of Rey being Obi-Wan's grand daughter or something.
Like... maybe Obi Wan got freaky in those 18 years on Tatooine. The women went elsewhere afterwards but Obi had to stay and watch over Luke. Later she finds out she is knocked up.
And maybe Rey is abandoned on TaTwoine because force sensitive people are frowned upon after seeing the damage the Sith and Jedi did. After the clone wars and the rise of the empire I can see some people having enough with that force stuff.
If you are gonna make her related to someone I'd go with that over Luke. If they ever make that often rumoured Obi Wan movie set between 3 and 4 then just slap a love story in there as well and BOOM!
Would have made a good insert between episodes 8 and 9 but I guess thats gonna be the young Han Solo movie.
Speaking of. You know what I really dont want? A young Han Solo movie. Pre ANH Han Solo is a dirt bag space smuggler. Now his back story is going to be some grand bullshit where he saved the galaxy before ever meeting Luke.
Like... maybe Obi Wan got freaky in those 18 years on Tatooine. The women went elsewhere afterwards but Obi had to stay and watch over Luke. Later she finds out she is knocked up.
And maybe Rey is abandoned on TaTwoine because force sensitive people are frowned upon after seeing the damage the Sith and Jedi did. After the clone wars and the rise of the empire I can see some people having enough with that force stuff.
If you are gonna make her related to someone I'd go with that over Luke. If they ever make that often rumoured Obi Wan movie set between 3 and 4 then just slap a love story in there as well and BOOM!
Would have made a good insert between episodes 8 and 9 but I guess thats gonna be the young Han Solo movie.
Speaking of. You know what I really dont want? A young Han Solo movie. Pre ANH Han Solo is a dirt bag space smuggler. Now his back story is going to be some grand bullshit where he saved the galaxy before ever meeting Luke.
I was actually quite satisfied with his role. I would've thought it'd be dumb that the one stormtrooper that decides to leave the Order is somehow Force Sensitive and badass with a lightsaber. He turned out to be comic relief and did a good job of it. If that slice up the back doesn't leave him paralyzed, I will be disappointed. All too often do characters escape life changing injuries because movie.
Yeah, ESB was the best of the OT and there was no super weapon. There does not need to be a massive planet wrecker for the Resistance to destroy for there to be a movie. ESB showed us this.
heliosRAzi
Banned
A comedic sidekick that wants to run
E-Cat
Member
He grows throughout the movie so that he faces his fears and becomes a brave fighter on the right side. That's the character arc, and it was done well.
It wouldn't be interesting if he was just heroic right from the start. There'd be no story for Finn to tell there.
Good Job Bob
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Escape Goat
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I dont think Reys parent's identities are important. Not knowing where she came from gives her an uncertainty of who she is. Just how Finn is discovering who he is now that hes free from the Empire's control. They are blank slates and their pasts are unimportant. Theyve entered this larger world and have to decide what kind of people they will be.
Are you trying to say that Yoda's "there is another" comment was talking about Rey? Because that is stupid and makes no sense.
My folks re-watched the OT after seeing Ep.7 and they actually thought this way.
LegalEagleMike
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Fan theories try too hard.
heliosRAzi
Banned
My point is that it's cliche. Comedic sidekick that wants to run has been done before. I understand his arc. There's nothing wrong with it being cliche, but I kind of wanted something different.
Organa's Eleven has to steal a ton of money to pay for their war machine.
??????? He's clearly talking about Leia. Why he be talking about a girl that's not even born yet
I doubt they would use it again. Unlike ROTJ, the plot of which centered around destroying it, Starkiller was a throw away plot device used to quickly take out the Republic and set up the world going forward.
If you are going to match the beats of the OT and you need to destroy planets quickly, Death Star 3 is the way to go. Seriously, nobody wants the trilogy to just be a retread going forward, pretty sure that message was picked up loud and clear.
From a purely "narrative" perspective, it could certainly work. Pre-Disney canon he didn't save the galaxy, his girlfriend died transmitting the the Death Star plans to the Tantive IV. Other than that he saved Chewie and spent a bit of time in the Imperial Navy. I agree that him saving the galaxy would be stupid, but there's plenty more to go in to. I can't seen anyone who is tasked with doing that movie doing that.
The catch is casting, boy that is going to be tough.
Which is why it's silly.
-ImaginaryInsider
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The "everyone is related" thing is annoying, I'm OK with Rey being a Skywalker, it is likely unavoidable... but Finn should just be Finn, not Lando's kid.
Both characters are strong enough on their own to not have to be related to existing characters.
obijkenobi
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Agreed. Is anyone really asking for Hollywood to cast a young Han Solo? For that matter, they would probably cast a young Lando and show how Lando lost the Falcon to Han in the first place. Seriously though, no one is asking for this.
The only reason a recasted Obi-Wan worked in the prequels is because Alec Guiness was a side character rather than a main character AND Lucas actually nailed the casting with Ewan McGregor. Once you recast an iconic character like Han or Luke, you're just asking for troubles.
30yearsofhurt
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It'll be important and it will be revealed at some point and it will add some level of gravitas to each characters arc in the trilogy. I think...
Well he was a little more than that. In addition Finn clearly served as the classic "audience relatable character" to give us an "in" to the world of the film. This is often combined with comic relief too so perhaps you could even see the two elements as merged.
The did give him a decent character arc too so he's not just one not comic relief either.
They will have to decide going forward though what his role is overall. TFA was chock full of overlapping old/new characters with many overlapping narrative roles (hey look it's comic relief C3PO come to challenge Finn for the role).
Given his background as a Trooper I'll be a little disappointed if they don't build him out in some way. I don't want him to be like Han Solo but he and Poe combined serve nicely as "normal folk" to relate to amongst those with force powers or big, family angst angles.
Twilight Gap
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they just need to make it smaller so you can't blow it up anymore.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Pretty much, Finn seems like he is cut from the same cloth, except he is really green and lacks the confidence. I'm looking forward to seeing him progress into a more confident badass as the series continues.
Fun fact: That line, when written, was meant to tease the main protagonist of the sequel trilogy (VII, VIII, IX). And that wasn't necessarily Luke's sister (Luke having a sister was mentioned in the first draft of Empire Strikes Back, but dropped from every subsequent draft. "There is another" wasn't added until later drafts.) But this was back when the sequel trilogy was going to be filmed right after Return of the Jedi. After the stressful shoot of Empire Strikes Back, George ditched plans for it and tossed everything into Return of the Jedi. So Leia was turned into Luke's sister so she could be the "another" without having to jarringly introduce a new character.
She watched the entire time.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Not at all. Rey is Han+Luke. She even owns the Falcon and has Chewie as her co pilot. Finn is closer to Jar-Jar/C-3PO than any others.
Finn is like Leia and Han i'd say, got a bit of the kookiness but is also pretty stable and reliable. Like the best choice in a love triangle movie.
So do force ghosts just like hang out? Or do they pass on completely at some point? They are sentient so did Anakin just chill and shoot the shit with Luke for a while?
IIRC they also decided to make Leia his sister as they needed some hook for Vader to tempt/threaten Luke with for the final confrontation to make him fight when he'd decided not to. Couldn't be a new character as too little attachment so Leia was made "the other" and also used to barb Luke with.
TBH even the OT, with Jedi, felt like it was starting to get out of control with the Force/Family links and resolution of all the loose ends set up by ANH and TESB.
Unlike say LOTR Star Wars has never felt like has a truly cohesive central plot and set of characters whose roles are all clearly defined and mesh together (or a mythos that's properly worked out or defined either).
Agreed, the Sith need to return in large numbers, that is more scary than any super weapon and it cannot be destroyed by an X-wing
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Poe is Leia. He hands of the important info to a droid, important Resistance figure, gets captured and interrogated in the opening... Finn really doesn't have any qualities of Han, besides shooting a blaster which everyone else can do as well.
Escape Goat
Member
Finn is Darth Manevil'un.
I think it is important to the overall theme of the movies. It's all about the Skywalker lineage and how important the members are to balancing the force and the fate of the galaxy. If Rey's parents don't matter and she was just another Force birth or just someone with innate force abilities, it kills the mythos. It then becomes, "hey you can be a Jedi. And you can be a jedi. And you and you too!"
And if you've liked Star Wars so far, her being a Skywalker shouldn't annoy you. All the movies have had blood relations or other connections and everyone's ability to find each other so despite it being a huge galaxy, it feels small.
Her being Ob-Wan's grand-daughter just overly complicates things.
Collider Video's Jedi Council had Kyle Newman as a guest and he puts things a little more eloquently than I did regarding Rey's parentage.
But he's really good with a blaster. But besides that he's his own generic man. He fights well and is a cool guy.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Is he though? Has wasn't shown to be any better with one than Poe with his sniper rifle, or Rey with the pistol and trooper blaster.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
A lot of Finn's humor is him bullshitting his way through stuff, him complaining about/getting worked up over other character doing heroic things, those are very Han Solo things to do.
Finn is also more selfish, self-perserving, and willing to cut and run, he just doesn't have all those Solo skillz or swagger yet. He will never be an exact Han Solo clone, but much like Poe Dameron, there is some scoundrel DNA in the character.
I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but Filmtracks posted their review of the Force Awakens soundtrack.
http://filmtracks.com/titles/force_awakens.html
http://filmtracks.com/titles/force_awakens.html
Vincent Alexander
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As far as I'm concerned, the original trilogy was about the importance of Skywalker lineage. I don't want another trilogy about same crap. It absolutely should be that anyone can be a Jedi at this point.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Ah you think Dark Side is your ally? You merely adopted the Dark Side. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Mmm yeah I dont agree.
Star Wars is the Skywalker lineage...its like the whole story.
Also you found this aspect to be "crap" in the original trilogy?
Side note:
This reminded me why I loved the lighsaber fighting in TFA especially the end. Just brutal, un-choreographed fighting.
https://youtu.be/ORWPCCzSgu0?t=6m33s
That guy writes soundtrack reviews twice as long as reviews of the actual film, it's pretty mad.
the black pearl
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Leia existing was clever, because it lets us think there's a chance Luke could fail, or die. So Leia could take his place. Didnt happen, but that might may have made me/us feel a little more uncomfortable during his showdown, in RotJ.
I think Rey's parentage might be a red herring (as in, she was abandoned/sold by some random scumbags) and the real story is her being taken in by Luke.
Luke might have lost his family, or feel he lost his right to right to one when Kylo Ren went batshit. Taking in a padawan/daughter-figure might be his way of finding closure and passing on the Skywalker legacy, even if not by blood.
Luke might have lost his family, or feel he lost his right to right to one when Kylo Ren went batshit. Taking in a padawan/daughter-figure might be his way of finding closure and passing on the Skywalker legacy, even if not by blood.
DrForester
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I think there's something to Rey's past, but I am also in the Red Herring camp regarding her parents. I don't think she's related to Luke.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Finn is Darth Melanin
Dictator93
Member
I hope it is, because the whole genetic part of the force and the obsession with "it's like poetry..." style of plot creation is not what I would like to see these films step even more into.
EdReedFan20
Member
I still go there from time to time. That dude has a serious problem with Hans Zimmer. Like deep rooted issues. I'll always prefer a more classic orchestral style like John Williams, but I do also enjoy Zimmer's music. He just always has an intense vitriol when reviewing anything Hans Zimmer or his proteges from Remote Control Productions (formerly Media Ventures) compose.
I see that a lot with soundtrack reviews in general.
Like damn, we can have both. I guess the frustration comes from a lot of scores sounding Zimmer-esque.
But even then, that comes off like they're having some kinda limited view of scores coming out these days.
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