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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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DiipuSurotu
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brandonh83
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your neighborhood must be where they come to pluck out models and porn stars.
You're fighting this battle alone.
Kitschkraft
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lol nothing wrong with her but she could be the girl next door, nothing mind blowing.
Escape Goat
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Wheres a Carrie Fisher rebuke tweet when you need one?
JimmyRustler
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Have you seen porn stars without makeup? I also think that Daisy looks very good but lets not fool ourselves. Make-up and lighting move mountains in movies.
BruceLeeRoy
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This has to be my favorite part of this review of The Phantom Menace.
https://youtu.be/ORWPCCzSgu0?list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D&t=297
https://youtu.be/ORWPCCzSgu0?list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D&t=297
Davey Cakes
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Just came back from an IMAX 3D show. My second viewing, but I took my mom who was seeing it for the first time.
She liked it! And she was there for the original Star Wars in 1977 and actually said she was floored by it back then. I was happy when she downright said "that was good!" with enthusiasm in her voice after we left the theater, as she's hard to please when it comes to modern film.
This movie being a retro homage probably benefited it in that sense, and I'm even more grateful that they stuck to the classic feel even with the derivative elements.
As for me? I thought the movie was as good or better on second viewing. The things that bothered me the first time didn't bother me as much this time. And yeah I caught more details and dialogue which helped me understand the scenes even better.
So after seeing TFA again, I still can't find a reason to be so down on it. I can't believe I almost let the Internet ruin this perfectly good (if flawed) movie. Sheesh.
She liked it! And she was there for the original Star Wars in 1977 and actually said she was floored by it back then. I was happy when she downright said "that was good!" with enthusiasm in her voice after we left the theater, as she's hard to please when it comes to modern film.
This movie being a retro homage probably benefited it in that sense, and I'm even more grateful that they stuck to the classic feel even with the derivative elements.
As for me? I thought the movie was as good or better on second viewing. The things that bothered me the first time didn't bother me as much this time. And yeah I caught more details and dialogue which helped me understand the scenes even better.
So after seeing TFA again, I still can't find a reason to be so down on it. I can't believe I almost let the Internet ruin this perfectly good (if flawed) movie. Sheesh.
Daisy Ridley? Easily my new crush after this movie. More than just because of looks, too.
brandonh83
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Supposed to be a joke but no, I can't agree at all, she's gorgeous. I also don't believe that makeup = insta-hot. It can just accent the beauty already there. I can easily see a less pretty face if a girl has one despite makeup. Not to be rude of course.
She's an attractive woman, but I guess we're arguing on the basis of subjectivity and what bar you're personally holding her up to.
prag16
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TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I already mentioned it, but once you introduce the ability to move planets around by hyperdrive you don't even need a superweapon.
UnforgivenTwin
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"Oh look,he's accidentally flying the spaceship. How cute. I hope he fucking dies."lol.
Saw the movie for a second time today. I have to upgrade it from "good" to "great". Many of my little niggles weren't really problems when I was prepared for them and could just enjoy the pacing and characters. This really is a worthy followupto the original trilogy. And Daisy Riley will be a star.
BruceLeeRoy
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Haha, this is the first time I have ever watched his review and its basically made my day.
He is so hilarious but he is also remarkably spot on with his review points.
The Episode 1 review in its entirely is just gold.
UnforgivenTwin
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The rest is pretty damn funny as well. Some parts will have you in stitches.
Davey Cakes
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You're pretty much spot on, man.
Still not a fan of Snoke but he didn't bother me as much this time. In fact, none of the CG did.
A second viewing definitely helps TFA, at least during the current hype period when criticism is at its peak.
It's not like The Prestige or some similar movie with hidden elements and twists and turns, where a second viewing is great mostly because of putting the pieces together as the movie gives them to you. TFA benefits mostly from an increase in appreciation and the improved ability to put nitpicky things aside. Though it's fun to watch for little details that are easy to miss, too. It's a film that pays extreme attention to detail.
TheSadRanger
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I see this thread is taking its first steps towards the dark side
I got a theory about the disappointing soundtrack nonsense. One, it's now an established narrative so people are just regurgitating it because;
Two, people pointing to the prequel scores in reference to the new one remember those so vividly because the movies are subpar and the score is one of the legitimately, inarguable strong points of those films, necessarily responsible for doing the heavy lifting as far communicating to the audience what they should be feeling in a given moment/scene, where the material itself fails to do so. TFA doesn't have that handicap: the material/characters actually keep people engaged on their own, and the score only needs to enhance what a scene is about rather than informing what it's supposed to be about. So people coming off a single viewing of TFA simply don't recall the score because they were absorbed by other elements of the film rather than the score itself. It's therefore no accident that the few songs people are able to recall after that first viewing are Rey's/Scavenger theme and Jedi Steps, two themes introduced during essentially silent sections of the film (Rey's introduction and the last few minutes of the film) where only visuals and score are working in tandem.
Three, when comparing it to the OT score, you are comparing it to some of the most recognizable and important pieces of music ever created, period, regurgitated and parodied by pop culture ad infinitum, and are therefore starting at an unfair position from the get go.
It's no coincidence that people in here seem to be digging the score more on repeat viewings or after continually listening to the album itself. Because they are actually paying attention to it at that point, able to identify the new themes and how they are used and weaved and adaptable to different tone/feeling throughout the film.
Two, people pointing to the prequel scores in reference to the new one remember those so vividly because the movies are subpar and the score is one of the legitimately, inarguable strong points of those films, necessarily responsible for doing the heavy lifting as far communicating to the audience what they should be feeling in a given moment/scene, where the material itself fails to do so. TFA doesn't have that handicap: the material/characters actually keep people engaged on their own, and the score only needs to enhance what a scene is about rather than informing what it's supposed to be about. So people coming off a single viewing of TFA simply don't recall the score because they were absorbed by other elements of the film rather than the score itself. It's therefore no accident that the few songs people are able to recall after that first viewing are Rey's/Scavenger theme and Jedi Steps, two themes introduced during essentially silent sections of the film (Rey's introduction and the last few minutes of the film) where only visuals and score are working in tandem.
Three, when comparing it to the OT score, you are comparing it to some of the most recognizable and important pieces of music ever created, period, regurgitated and parodied by pop culture ad infinitum, and are therefore starting at an unfair position from the get go.
It's no coincidence that people in here seem to be digging the score more on repeat viewings or after continually listening to the album itself. Because they are actually paying attention to it at that point, able to identify the new themes and how they are used and weaved and adaptable to different tone/feeling throughout the film.
TheSadRanger
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Well one problem I had is I literally couldn't hear the score during most of the scenes because of the sound effects. Other than the scene where Rey is carrying junk from a Star Destroyer I really couldn't hear it most of the time because the sound effects drowned it out.
Silphonica
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"when you are confused about a scene, listen to the music".
The segment in part 6 about the PT vs. OT lightsaber fights is really amazing. He just drops the jokes for five minutes and lays out the total lack of character conflict in the PT and how they replaced it with flashy fights. It's the perfect encapsulation of what went wrong with the PT.
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I can see Hamill, the others is way off the mark. She captured Guinness more than those two. She even captures Shmi. She isn't capturing the carbon qualities of other female characters of the series.
One of my favorite parts. Really detailed analysis right out of nowhere that was super profound lol.
WadiumArcadium
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Don't go there lol.
The Lamonster
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I'm with you, man. Great makeup in this shot but I don't think she's very pretty otherwise.
Bobby Roberts
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How brave
The Librarian
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We've spent two pages talking about Daisy's appearance.
How about we stop now.
How about we stop now.
PrivateWHudson
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I'm really curious what kind of girls you consider more than just the girl next door in good makeup?
TheSadRanger
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Am I making it up in my head or wasn't there a rule that light sabers were only for use by jedis? How was Finn able to use one? Were they ever used by nonjedi at any point in the past? Maybe I'm forgetting something big.
Edit: stop talking about whether or not daisy Ridley is ugly.
Edit: stop talking about whether or not daisy Ridley is ugly.
peanutbutterlatte
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That big cyborgy fella with the octopus arms in the prequisite ones
Kitschkraft
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WadiumArcadium
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Han uses Luke's to slice open a tauntaun in Empire Strikes Back. There's no rule that only Jedi can use them.
TheSadRanger
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Han used one in ESB when he stuck Luke in the taun taun. But yeah I think there was something that you had to be force sensitive. Not necessarily a jedi but force sensitive.
prag16
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I think that was an EU thing (that they were almost impossible to keep under control without the force).
Actually building them I think may require the force. Though it's possible that was an EU thing too.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Han used one briefly in Empire, non-force users can use them...but the lack of the force-guided-spider-sense-thing handicaps them severely in a fight.
Bobby Roberts
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That whole "you have to be force sensitive to use a Lightsaber" thing was never stated in the films at any point. I think it got put in a book at one point, and basically got codified by the fandom in general.
Yeah, that was an old Expanded Universe concept. So it was never particularly relevant to the actual films, and is now completely void.
WadiumArcadium
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Carrie Fisher was on the Graham Norton Show the other day and told an...interesting story. It's a reference to that.
Imperfected
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You don't need the Force to use one, but it's the equivalent of carrying a katana onto a modern battlefield. You'd better be some kind of psychic samurai, or else you're just going to get shot very quickly and very often.
The Lamonster
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No rule, it's just another melee weapon but it was never mass assembled for public use. Typically the Jedi made their own as part of their training. Finn had weapons training as a stormtrooper and Rey probably trained herself with that staff since she grew up in kind of a rough society.
Something interesting to note - there have been some lightsabers that do not have an on/off switch and can only be powered on by manipulating internal controls with the Force. It's like a safety mechanism that prevents non-Jedi from using it. I always thought that was pretty cool.
Thanks?
PHOENIXZERO
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He had a 2.25% royalty on Star Wars.
I could not be so great but the closer they have him look to Alec Guinness the better though.
Why wouldn't it? Jedi can see glimpses of the future, especially Yoda. It being Leia with what Obi-Wan says about Luke being their last chance doesn't make sense either when the PT shows that he knew about Luke's twin sister.
Thanks, it's been a bit, didn't remember it all and I learned a few new things.
TheSadRanger
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I think where I got it from is Star Wars Galaxies lol as the devs reason for non jedi being unable to equip a lightsaber.
Pre Vizsla used a lightsaber (the darksaber) to fight fairly well but he may have spent time training with it. So we do have canon material of characters using them as weapons that were not force users.
Obi-Wan in ANH says the lightsaber is "the weapon of a Jedi Knight" and we have few instances (especially in canon, but even in the old EU) of people not trained in the jedi arts to use them proficiently.
You CAN turn one on as Han famously proved at the beginning of Empire, but you're not going to see him swinging one around and blocking blaster bolts with one. They are too dangerous to be used untrained. You'll cut your arm off, kid.
But yeah you can come up with all kinds of explanations for why Finn was able to use one decently, as well as Rey. It's already been talked about tons in these threads.
Obi-Wan in ANH says the lightsaber is "the weapon of a Jedi Knight" and we have few instances (especially in canon, but even in the old EU) of people not trained in the jedi arts to use them proficiently.
You CAN turn one on as Han famously proved at the beginning of Empire, but you're not going to see him swinging one around and blocking blaster bolts with one. They are too dangerous to be used untrained. You'll cut your arm off, kid.
But yeah you can come up with all kinds of explanations for why Finn was able to use one decently, as well as Rey. It's already been talked about tons in these threads.
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