The power source for a really, really big lightsaber.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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The power source for a really, really big lightsaber.
Ignatz Mouse
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Spoilers for Tron:Legacy
I just watched a Disney movie in which an aging father (and actor getting too old for sequels) confronts his now-evil son on a bridge in an attempt to reconcile, which ends up being his end.
"Self defense" kind of breaks down when you're "defending" yourself by gratuitously murdering someone you, yourself, ripped off and lied to. The guy was already beat, the punch solved it. It's fine to shoot Greedo because he's seconds from murdering you; this was kicking a man when he was down. It was mean to me, not gleeful.
This movie's relationship with violence is weirdly ugly sometimes.
Union Carbine
Member
I would have much rather they cut 30 seconds from somewhere else in the film and say this than shorthand it away with, "oh well too much Vader". What you're saying is one possibility but given what happened to Vader and the context that we know from the prequels, it's more than just ambition. Maybe the prequels don't matter, but Vader had reasons apart from wanting to be the best. What does Kylo Ren have? In ANH it was fine just to say that Vader turned bad because we didn't know anything about Vader until ESB but they give up Ren's backstory here so pretty easily which makes their explanation too flippant for me.
I agree. the reaction to his death wasn't big enough for me. (though Leia sensing it was a great touch)
If it was Ilum I'd think the weapon would be a little more Death Star-like and not the dark matter star blaster thing they went with. The science-fantasy technobabble explanation of how Starkiller works is pretty fleshed out and none of it mentions kyber crystals.
I thought it was Ilum at first too, and as soon as I saw the sun-eating thing I immediately got bummed out.
heliosRAzi
Banned
On that note: Finn absolutely has no compunction about killing his brethren during his escape.
dukeoflegs
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The more I think about TFA the more the movie breaks down for me. Story, scenes, plot, and characters just feel poorly planned or executed. Its like Metal Gear Solid V. I really liked the game at first but the more I played and after completing it I realized it wasn't that great. Just poor execution.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Is this in response to me? There was important context to the position I was arguing from. I believe Rey is supercharged (I think it's likely she is a Skywalker) and thus it's no surprise she could take Kylo.
Regardless, that clip shows Jedi Knight Anakin -the most powerful force user- beating a formidable former Master and most skilled light saber combatant... In the trilogy that is shit and lacks all kinds of consistency. Not sure I follow what the contrary point is.
ehretreue.m.h
Banned
Just watched the movie with my girlfriend and she cried when Han was killed. I was holding her hand a couple minutes before and just let go and said, "you'll eed than in a second."
Boom, Han's dead.
Upon second viewing, I really like the fight between Kylo and Rey/Finn.
You can tell Kylo is both pissed off and gimped and pissed about it.
Also, you can really feel the Nazi overtones from Hux. Really dug it.
Boom, Han's dead.
Upon second viewing, I really like the fight between Kylo and Rey/Finn.
You can tell Kylo is both pissed off and gimped and pissed about it.
Also, you can really feel the Nazi overtones from Hux. Really dug it.
DrForester
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heliosRAzi
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Cute.You playing said note
excelsiorlef
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Seeing that is what brings Finn back to the fight.
Because it's literally insane and no one really but Han or Poe could pull it off and Han barely did.
30yearsofhurt
Member
That would be enough to turn someone to the dark side no?
excelsiorlef
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Welcome to World War II
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Saw it in IMAX tonight. Overall enjoyed it a lot but definitely not as polished or as serious as I expected. The goofy scenes sometimes seemed out of place and there were some whack lines in this movie. Also felt pretty formulaic and plot felt jumpy to me.
Carrie Fisher was...not great. John Boyega was just ok. Rey and Kylo were probably the best but really no outstanding acting.
Other gripes are destroying the final weapon just seemed way too easy and made the whole thing kind of anti-climactic.
And how Rey went from having no manifestations of the force to being able to control minds and use a light saber like a freak in a flash.
Carrie Fisher was...not great. John Boyega was just ok. Rey and Kylo were probably the best but really no outstanding acting.
Other gripes are destroying the final weapon just seemed way too easy and made the whole thing kind of anti-climactic.
And how Rey went from having no manifestations of the force to being able to control minds and use a light saber like a freak in a flash.
Rktk
Member
Saw it yesterday, it was better than I was expecting, J.J. did what he needed to do. I was surprised Hans death wasn't spoiled for me since it is such a big moment.
1. What happened to the shiny stormtrooper, they were going to send her to a trash compactor and I wanted to see that.
2. Finn lasting more than 2 seconds in a light sabre duel with Kylo was pretty dumb.
3. The Millennium Falcon hits the ground while in flight multiple times, the kinds of impacts that would blow it up but instead it would bounce around like a frisbee.
4. Carrie Fisher's acting was wooden, everyone else was great.
1. What happened to the shiny stormtrooper, they were going to send her to a trash compactor and I wanted to see that.
2. Finn lasting more than 2 seconds in a light sabre duel with Kylo was pretty dumb.
3. The Millennium Falcon hits the ground while in flight multiple times, the kinds of impacts that would blow it up but instead it would bounce around like a frisbee.
4. Carrie Fisher's acting was wooden, everyone else was great.
DrForester
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Don't forget that Ren was badly injured mentally and physically. Also keep in mind that Finn was trained in Melee combat as a Stormtrooper, and even then was barely able to keep up with Ren.
everybody knows that metal explodes when it bumps into stuff. it's basically solid nitroglycerin.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Actually, I kinda liked that the TIE fighters in this movie didn't just vaporize into pure gas the instant a blaster hit it. Sure, that happened a couple times in the two dogfights in the film, but Finn & Poe get hit by a "ventral cannon" (whatever the fuck that is) and manage to survive re-entry, and Finn tags two TIEs with the Falcon guns, and while both ships are wrecked, they both stay more or less structurally intact. One basically smashes into a wall like an orange thrown at 30-40mph.
Rktk
Member
Everyone knows a Millennium Falcon is a space ship.
The shields protect it.
excelsiorlef
Member
One of my fav world building touches is that the cockpot of the first Tie Fighter Finn takes out on the Falcon is shown to crash and immediately before you can even blink scavengers are all over ready to pick it apart for scraps. Really showed the kind of desperate lives people on Jakku lead.
OricWindstar
Member
One of my favorite shots in the movie.
Rktk
Member
Well I guess that would make sense.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, the scavengers were all over that. That one going straight for the hatch like "at least six portions by itself, right?"
OricWindstar
Member
That's one of those small details I've had almost everyone mention when we talk about the movie. Such a fun, yet telling moment.
Lamel
Banned
Ventral cannon probably just means cannon on the underside of the ship. Get your anatomy right bro.
Rktk
Member
I will probably watch it again, without the 3D if I can since it added nothing. Maybe I remember the fight lasting longer, I get that Ren was injured but he still had it going on. Finn didn't seem all that great in melee combat earlier when he had to fight another stormtrooper.
Lamel
Banned
Motherfuckers saw a fight and were like
Lmao
Jest Chillin
Member
Just got back from a viewing and Kylo was toying with Finn in that fight until Finn gets the lucky slash in on Kylo's arm, then Kylo promptly ends it, knocking Finn's saber away and slashing his back.
Kylo also has Rey on the defensive the entire fight up until she taps into the Force but by the time he fights her, he's lost all element of finesse and is using brute force slashes to knock her saber down and force her back.
In fact there's an ongoing theme with Kylo everytime he faces Rey where he dominates her with Brute Force (literally in many cases). In the forest outside of Maz's, in the interrogation chamber (he hovers inches from her face and even says "You know I can do whatever I want" before invading her mind), and in the final fight.
TheSadRanger
Banned
A few from what I noticed.
When Finn is handing Rey tools in the Falcon, at one point he grabbed Luke's training droid from a New Hope that trained him to deflect blaster shots and tossed it aside giving it a puzzled look.
Of course there was the obvious space chess scene where Finn accidentally activated the chess board in the Falcon.
Atraveller
Banned
There are not many "group chat on Falcon" scenes in TFA, I feel that's why all FTL travel in this movie feels instantaneous.
The beam enters hyperspace and exits before impact, seriously, look it up.
Yeah the never show shit like that, kinda annoying.
What I didn't realize was that apparently the creature that lost in ANH, now gets payback in TFA:
Here's a cool making of vid
heliosRAzi
Banned
I just find it hard to believe that a guy who has grown up with these troopers is willing to kill them without hesitation. There isn't a second thought or anything. Only psychopaths would do something like that. Finn's obviously not a psychopath, but I think him having some internal conflict about killing his what essentially amounts to his family would add to his character. I don't need him to be conflicted about it the entire movie. I just wanted something.
And before you go all space nazi on me, the troopers are all programmed from birth. They're not entirely willing participants. Finn is just like all of them up until his defection. He should be seeing himself in them. It could be a constant reminder of who he was. I think it'd be cool if his defection triggers something in the rest of the storm troopers.
Something I noticed: Rey pretty much wore her white/beige clothing throughout the movie, but when she goes to visit Luke, she's wearing gray.
Atraveller
Banned
It's only implied with dialogue in the movie, when they were talking about Starkiller's in the resistance base.
Bobby Roberts
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9:53pm:
10:03pm:
1:04am, THREE HOURS LATER, responding to the SAME POST.
No shit? You find it hard to believe. Really.
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10:03pm:
1:04am, THREE HOURS LATER, responding to the SAME POST.
No shit? You find it hard to believe. Really.
Coulda used a little more exposition with the republic. Which was originally planned (not sure if filmed) but there was supposed to be a scene where leia talks to that senator lady you see for like 4 seconds to try and get her to convince the rest of the senate to fund the resistance and treat the first order like a legitimate threat
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The decision to kill 20 minutes of this movie in the name of speed really hurt the film's punch and coherency in the last 40 min. Abrams took too much out of what should have been his final edit.
I'm gonna be pissed if the music that got cut/changed up because of those unneccessary cuts for time ended up being music that would have taken the score from "pretty good" to "legitimately great"
I'm gonna be pissed if the music that got cut/changed up because of those unneccessary cuts for time ended up being music that would have taken the score from "pretty good" to "legitimately great"
heliosRAzi
Banned
9:53pm:
10:03pm:
1:04am, THREE HOURS LATER, responding to the SAME POST.
No shit? You find it hard to believe. Really.
lol. I figured I make a short response, but I was too drink to really think of anything. So I waited until I sobered up and got home to make a better post. Cute cat, tho.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I wish my fat turd of a cat were half as cute as that one.
I also wish I had a piano in my house. I have a 25-key midi controller. That'll do, I guess, but it's not the same.
According to Greg Rucka's Before the TFA novella, Finn was raised in a fire team of 4 guys. He was too empathetic and so was treated with disdain, and he buddied up with another one of his teammates who was a total fuckup nicknamed Slip. Slip dies in the opening firefight, so basically everyone else that he ices is a total stranger to him.
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