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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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Frank the Great
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Really enjoyed this.
I hope that Rey's parents are never revealed or are insignificant.
I hope that Rey's parents are never revealed or are insignificant.
Yeah, I thought about it too, I think also wrote something around it earlier in this thread. It's even stated in the first dialog in the movie that there is a lack of balance in the Force and a new jedi must appear, which means that Luke being "retired" created a vacuum on the light side. Like the reason for Anakin to appear and turn dark was the too much power that the light side had at that point.
Yeah. the second viewing is so much better, without the whole hype and even doubt that goes in with you the first time.
The flying parts are really great seen at IMAX 3d, breathtaking. That star destroyer show, pure beauty.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Having just listened to the track "Snoke" from OST, I am now convinced that there is a connection between him and Plagueis.
PrivateWHudson
Member
Was Poe's flashy flying where he took out a bunch of tie fighters a 3D moment? I see a lot of people rave about it, but it looked like really bad and floaty CG to me.
Most of the flying sequences (if not all) were nicely done in 3d, as I remember. I can say now for sure, as I just saw it yesterday in 2d (the second viewing), so my most recent memory is 2d now.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Anyone else have the immediate thought when Kylo Ren took his helmet off and spoke that he was basically JP from grandma's boy? Really, really can't stand him as a villain now.
WadiumArcadium
Member
I don't think they had Coke a long time ago. Jawa juice?
This really would be a problem if she's just a random nobody. How did a random nobody even stand a chance to the inheritor of the most powerful force bloodline? The grand son of the man created by the force itself is thrashed by a random average Jane Jedi apprentice barely getting off the training wheels.
This is pretty much why me and a number of people have a problem with her being a direct Skywalker if that's the case.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Sword fighting is far more dramatic on film than a blaster fight. Both combatants can be in the same frame. Add in laser and sound effects and you now have the ideal weapon for force users.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
People can be talented without being the children of famous Force users. Chewbacca nearly killed Kylo and he's a random nobody.
I don't know, that kind of fits the main theme of Star Wars, and the one that Abrams talked about a lot as inspiring him as a kid and what he repeatedly talked about wanting to recapture in this new film, doesn't it? That aspirational idea that anyone, no matter how seemingly insignificant, has the capacity to do great things if they strive for it. The Force is all around, all you have to do is just let it in!
It's specifically why they made Rey just a scavenger, rather than a princess or something else "important" to start with, so if they go even further and have her not be a Skywalker by blood then it's only hitting that idea even harder.
DragonSworne
Banned
Kylo Ren is going to have short hair in the next movie to signify that he went through training. Or maybe a face tattoo.
Is it kind of weird to call the Resistance a "resistance" in this movie? They're basically an anti-First Order force, right (and are apparently unofficially sanctioned by the Republic)? The Republic doesn't have much of a presence in the movie, which I guess is odd-- I feel oddly devastated that they got wiped out, but given the title crawl and their general impotence, they didn't seem to do much anyway.
(I really enjoyed the movie but I'm just posting things I thought of.)
(I really enjoyed the movie but I'm just posting things I thought of.)
I assume he'll definitely have a facial scare after his battle with Rey.
What if she's created also by the force itself?
Yeah, the Resistance is a bit strange in relation to how this term was used in our history. I think they just tried to find something similar to the Rebels, to keep the line.
I wonder who will rule the galaxy with the new Republic wiped out?
So it's best to just ignore it? Nah, at least let the new trilogy have some logical consistency. If she ain't a Skywalker, then she needs some kind of boost, some kind of explanation for her way above normal abilities. Maybe she's another anomaly of the force? At least that would make sense within the series logic.
As I stated above that would be preferable to her just being "insignificant".
Yeah, even in the script it says that he gets slashed in the face by her lightsaber, so the dude better look fucked up in the next movie.
Dictator93
Member
Fantastic.
Frank the Great
Banned
I guess I need to brush up on my lore. I didn't remember that Anakin was created by the force. That was in the prequel trilogy? I only watched the OT in preparation for TFA.
Also Ren was thrashed because he was injured and trying to capture her alive. I still think that Rey s could and should be a new force user.
I won't complain if she is a Skywalker, mind, I just think it would be more interesting if she were random. If the force is a living thing, it could have made her so strong to provide balance. Doesn't necessarily have to be through one bloodline only.
He was virgin birthed space Jesus. Let's leave it at that.
TheSadRanger
Banned
I wonder if Resistance even has any large fleet of any sort. I would assume that most of the Rebel Alliance's larger vessels were absorbed into the New Republic.
in TPM Shmi says Anakin had no father. Qui Gon makes a comment that Anakin may have been conceived of the Force. Which is where they get the whole idea of him being the one to bring balance to the force.
in ROTS when Palpatine is talking to Anakin in the theater he tells Anakin the story of Darth Plageuis the Wise. Who was so powerful he could manipulate the force to create life.
Many people connect that story to Anakin.
Yeah, I'm sort of confused as to why I feel the way I feel about the Republic. With ANH, when Alderaan gets it, you really feel it because of the emotional connection to Leia. Here, not really...I mean, the Republic obviously sucks and isn't even really tied to any particular character. Why do I feel that dramatic tug? Is it because you genuinely wonder for the future of the galaxy and what will fill that power vacuum? Is this informed by modern, current events in our world? Not sure!
Anakin was a virgin birth, which is what made Qui-Gon speculate that he was created by the Force itself and therefore the Chosen One. The old EU made it explicit that Anakin was created by the Force in reaction to Plagueis trying to manipulate it to create a living being to demonstrate his mastery over it. That has now been wiped out with the canon purge, but the implication is kind of still there in the Tarkin book where Palpatine recalls Plagueis telling him that "The Force can strike back" if you push too far.
Has it been confirmed which planets got blown up and was the city one Coruscant?
Lifejumper
Member
Really excited for the obi wan and anakin comic next week. The lando comic was great.
http://comicbook.com/2015/12/31/exclusive-marvel-preview-star-wars-obi-wan-and-anakin-1/
EDIT: should have been the episode 1 story IMHO.
http://comicbook.com/2015/12/31/exclusive-marvel-preview-star-wars-obi-wan-and-anakin-1/
EDIT: should have been the episode 1 story IMHO.
LegalEagleMike
Member
the Hosnian System. The planet you saw was Hosnian Prime.
Yes, this is the exact idea that will drive Kylo Ren off the deep end. And it's why he will fail.
After all, how could the most powerful force user ever, who was conceived by the force itself, ever lose to some no name Kenobi guy?
She was able to best him before that though. In the interrogation room. She totally mopped the floor with his force mind powers. There's also the issue of having a good grasp of some force abilities with what had to be very little training. It implies that she has a more intrinsic connection to the force than the average peasant.
It's stated in the film that it's the Hosnian system, which housed the senate and the Republic's fleet. The planet with the city we saw as it was about to explode was Hosnian Prime.
Like I said: Let the new trilogy have some logical consistency with this. But to be fair Kenobi's quality is well known. He wasn't just a random nobody by the time he confronted Anakin, so at least he could stand a chance and go a few rounds.
Thanks.
I though it might have been Coruscant as a big FU to the prequels.
She's a very good student. Maybe it's her survival on Jakku that helped her develop that capability of learning fast by watching others doing. I mean she was very little when she was dropped on Jakku and the only education she got after that is what she studied on her own and learned from the others.
As for the force, Kylo is a great teacher. He shows her all this wonderful case studies on how to use the force and she grasp it immediately.
All these instances you are pointing out are less about Rey literally having more Force Training credits on her resume or having a higher Force Power Score, and more about Kylo being an extremely powerful force user who is also a complete fucking mess in this movie. Kylo lost the mind reading fight because of his character flaw and fear being exposed to Rey. It was his deficiency that lost him that battle more than it was Rey's raw power or anything like that.
Frank the Great
Banned
I see. Yet . . . I still hope Rey is a non-Skywalker. If the force randomly created a super powerful person once, why can't it happen again? I just think that would be more interesting. Doesn't mean that Rey has to be the result of a virgin birth, why can't the universe's entropy, or the force's will, create another super-being?
I always found it weird that in a series that takes place across a galaxy, so many main players happen to be related. I'd roll my eyes if Rey is another Skywalker.
Besides, Ren can't be that great if Snoke, who is otherwise unremarkable, is superior and hold influence over him. Ren's Skywalker blood is clearly diluted, so it wouldn't be a shock if a random force user has greater potential and I think it would make for a better story.
Edit: Also, as discussed in a post above, the movie goes out its way to show how Ren is an emotional mess and cannot control or harness his anger. He may be overrated just based on his blood. It's not necessarily true that only another Skywalker could ever defeat him.
prag16
Banned
Hosnian Prime inexplicably being visible from the surface outside Maz's castle.. yeah... what the heck were they thinking with that one.. unless they're officially in the same system.. and it didn't sound that way. Awful.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Some cuts were a bit weird IMO.
1 Second they are flying towards the resistance base and a second later you see Finn coming out of the Falcon. A Scene where the Falcon lands on a Planet would be appreciated.
Same thing happens at the End. You really never see the Falcon landing on a planet lol
They're nowhere near each other. It's just Abrams wanting to have a visual link for the audience and easy way for the main characters to know what's going on.
Pablo's explanation is that it was some hyperspace wonkery that made it visible.
Lucas loved his establishing shots with landing ships.
Frank the Great
Banned
Also I don't think Rey is a complete newbie to the Force, as some have implied. Her crazy feats when flying the Falcon, her super high accuracy with a blaster, and her ability to effortlessly do the Jedi mind trick show that, at the very least, before TFA she was subconsciously aware that she has powers and how to channel them. She also has a very determined will.
It's not too unrealistic for her to out-Force an emotionally unstable and internally conflicted Ren in the interrogation scene under these circumstances. Especially when Ren had probably only ever tried out his mind reading powers against non-Force users.
It's not too unrealistic for her to out-Force an emotionally unstable and internally conflicted Ren in the interrogation scene under these circumstances. Especially when Ren had probably only ever tried out his mind reading powers against non-Force users.
You do see it crash land pretty hard on Starkiller!
I think it's because it's tied to the original trilogy. The Republic is everything the characters in 4/5/6 fought for and it was destroyed in a very sudden way.
On top of that, Han and Leia's kid is evil, C3PO's got a red arm, and Luke's new Jedi order was annihilated. Depressing stuff.
Yeah the space geography is totally broken.
How did that Starkiller beam cross interstellar distances to kill Hosnia but also approach Hosnia at sublight speed so the Hosnians cower at the sky and see it bearing down on them?
~space magic~
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