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*SPOILERS* The Walking Dead TV show, leaks, and comic book SPOILER discussion thread
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bodyofanamerican
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I mean it's the perfect final kick in the teeth, isn't it? Wait 6 months, draw it out another episode, and it's fucking Aaron. I'm operating with the expectation that it's him.
DCX
DCX
echoshifting
Banned
If they do this I'm out, and I have always loved this show. I am willing to defend a lot of bullshit this show has thrown at us but if they do this stupid cliffhanger and don't resolve it at the top of next season, fuck it, I'm done
Aaron? I haven't seen him speak in awhile. I doubt the audience will care that much. They need to step it up.
Jibbajabbawockky
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It'd be bad enough to have a long, drawn out cliffhanger with Negan but I will just have to laugh if all they do is kill off Aaron and not some main cast character. I mean, honestly, most people would probably not even know who Aaron is when/if they kill him off considering how he's basically been absent this whole second half of the season. Then you're going to toss on a 6 month gap on top of that?
It would be like filming the Red Wedding from Game of Thrones and then cutting to black with a cliffhanger to end the season as the Rains of Castemere start playing... only to open up the following season with the Red Wedding to learn that the only thing that happened was some redshirt choked on a chicken bone and spilled his wine.
Seriously. If it's just Aaron people are going to be like "Oh he's just the Governor but with a bat."
I was always prepared for them to not off Glenn on the show, but I can't say I expected for them to mess with that scene to this extent. I haven't watched the show since season 5, but I'm pretty curious about this cliffhanger situation. It feels so pointless too, it's not like this show is desperate for buzz in any shape or form.
bodyofanamerican
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"The price will be paid"...(in 7 months).
Dwight OBVIOUSLY shot Daryl in the shoulder.
Dwight OBVIOUSLY shot Daryl in the shoulder.
illmatic22
Banned
Aaron would be such a copout. Between that and cliff-hanger, yikes. Oh well, this show went downhill for me awhile ago.
bodyofanamerican
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I can't wait to see Sepinwall's reaction next week. I really think they're on the verge of driving large amounts of people away from the show with next week's ending.
Why tonight's 'The Walking Dead' has me on the verge of quitting the show
'East' is full of dumb decisions made in support of a plot not interesting enough to deserve it
Why tonight's 'The Walking Dead' has me on the verge of quitting the show
'East' is full of dumb decisions made in support of a plot not interesting enough to deserve it
UberTag
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Based on the comments he made tonight, he's going to eviscerate the finale.
This was entertaining. I especially loved this part:
I've felt this way for a long time and it's nice to see someone else feels the same.
bodyofanamerican
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Sepinwall's close to articulating how AMC is really commoditizing the show. It's not allowed to have any big moments, any huge deaths, nothing complete. It's a viewer generation machine to them, nothing more.
He's going to explode next week; I'm looking forward to his review more than the finale.
That's a good way to put it, and it's the reason why even when it's enjoyable the show's developments have a hard time feeling organic. It's the creative equivalent of a limp puppet due to how they approach the writing and the viewership.
Jibbajabbawockky
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He makes a pretty good point how the whole "cliffhanger" bit with Daryl getting shot in this episode even seemed to have its punch pulled with the extra Dwight dialogue after they cut to black. I mean, what's the point of that "cliffhanger" when they basically say "Oh, he's fine we didn't kill him" about half a second after the supposed "cliffhanger"?
If they seriously cliffhanger Negan's intro and Lucille next week I really hope people rip the showrunners and AMC. That's just shit storytelling.
I don't even get that logic really. TWD seems to be playing it so safe with so many of their main cast for the past couple seasons. Yet on the other hand, look at a show like Game of Thrones where a huge part of its popularity and ability to get people talking is based on how they're so willing to kill off main cast characters. I just don't get it.
That is sort of my issue with TWD in general, TV show and comic. Unlike something like Game of Thrones, that's a story that'll have an end. Whereas the whole TWD universe is something that I'm pretty sure Kirkman has said could just keep going on forever with no end in sight. Which for the TV show especially feeds into what you said about AMC having it play safe and just milk the show for all its worth.
bodyofanamerican
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The doubly ironic thing is it's fucking based on a medium that exists to sell books every month, and continues to have huge, fucked up moments. The cliffhanger isn't ALWAYS bad, but let the show have it's moments, guys. Christ.
UberTag
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I think JWD will do his damnedest to pull off a saving throw.
I think he's going to deliver those lines in that script excerpt I shared earlier with aplomb.
It's just going to be undercut by the Lucille cop out. That's the real shame of it all.
It's going to be a terrible disservice to what was inspired casting and a memorable moment that can never be revisited... except in 6 months when they show the scene for real.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Oh sure, JDM will probably knock it out of the park...
But AMC will probably screw it up by only having Negan kill off Aaron. I mean, damn, that would totally botch the whole point of Negan's intro.
Anyway, body armor guy was basically from The Kingdom, right? So Morgan and Carol will likely ride off to the Kingdom and be the connection there for when Rick calls on them to help next season against Negan?
I'm probably biased but I think GoT gets away with it because for the most part, the story is written well. The characters act in ways that we expect them to act and events can happen seemingly organically. The Walking Dead changes motivations, personalities, and hell, physical landmarks on a whim in order for events to happen, regardless of the story they had told up to that point. In TWD, you feel like they never actually had to kill off a character because they've used plot armor or whatever often enough that we expect it. And when someone does die, it was usually so hamfisted or mind-boggling that we're still pissed.
That's what makes me so sad. Haha. Everything leading up to the cop out is probably going to be awesome, JDM is going to be awesome...
But a cliffhanger is just going to ruin it, especially since the "reveal" of the person killed will come sometime in May/June when they start filming :/
Jerm411
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Leaving it on a cliffhanger literally makes ZERO sense...there would be more than enough buzz coming out of this season if Negan kills 1 or 2 main characters and the anticipation would be through the roof for the next season and what happens next...
I just can't fathom why'd they would do this...
Jibbajabbawockky
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Quoting from earlier in the thread...
Having the Lucille/Negan intro left as a cliffhanger is terrible storytelling but I'm guessing some AMC person loves the idea that it'll get people talking. Who cares that the cliffhanger of who dies will almost certainly be spoiled once they start filming again over the summer and AMC will play dumb just like they did with the lame Glenn Dumpster cliffhanger.
I just really wish this show was on HBO or something. Have fewer episodes with less bloat and you'd actually have Negan able to swear!
UberTag
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He does say the word "shit" a full 9 times during his opening monologue.
No F bombs, though. That would be wrong.
littlegrasshopper
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My thoughts exactly. When I saw his armor and he was looking for a horse. I was like KINGDOM!
IcyRhythms
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I don't even know why I'm bothering. I guess because I want the rumors(and confirmation of some things)to somehow be wrong. How the holy fuck do you build up a character this well and cliffhanger his intro?
If this were HBO and D&D had creative control, Rick and Carol would probably be the only original characters left. Hell, maybe not even Rick.
If this were HBO and D&D had creative control, Rick and Carol would probably be the only original characters left. Hell, maybe not even Rick.
bodyofanamerican
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It's like...80% confirmed. The usual ironclad sources haven't confirmed yet.
bodyofanamerican
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I almost want to tell show watchers to spoil it for themselves and spare themselves the frustration of the next few months.
LowParry
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To be fair, I still want to see how Negan is performed. The script alone is really on point with the comic so there's that to enjoy. Just please give him a proper ending for people to really hate him during the wait. Oiy. AMC gonna go full viral no doubt with all of this. It's so stupid. Just get it right.
They will be once Funky Papa gets around to watching the episode.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
So after the episode "East," I have to imagine that Daryl is safe despite being in the final lineup. The gun shot at the end screamed death fake out, and one that they weren't really trying to hide.
I think I've calmed on the idea of a cliffhanger. If Negan's introduction is good despite that, I'll be happy.
I think I've calmed on the idea of a cliffhanger. If Negan's introduction is good despite that, I'll be happy.
UberTag
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There's little reason to think it won't be... and then we'll have a nice six-month wait until we get to see the entire scene intact with Aaron getting his brains bashed in. Won't that be cathartic?
RIP all of the other Alexandrians in advance. Inviting Rick and company into your home was a mistake.
echoshifting
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Haven't watched East yet. Is Aaron in it a lot? Or at all?
the_firewithin
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rainking187
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Waiting for the season premiere where Aaron is laying dead on the ground and Rick leans over to Michonne and says "Who was that guy again?"
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I don't remember Aaron having more than two lines in an episode since earlier in the season where he had to stop Maggie from going through the sewer to find Glenn. I like his character, but Aaron has seriously been on the back burner for the majority of this season. If they cliffhanger Lucille AND make it him that ends up dying, I'll be sorely disappointed. The entire point of the scene is that Negan killed one of the untouchables. A character you thought would always make it and had been around for awhile. We met Aaron in the second half of last season, and he has had probably less than 15 minutes screentime this season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from some quick lines and reaction shots, he's been AWOL most of this second half. Him dying would be no more shocking than Denise.
ChoklitReign
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I can't believe they're going with "pegged' over all of the other F-word substitutes. It's gonna feel awkward in an otherwise awesome scene. If it turns out to be Aaron instead of Daryll or Glenn I really am done with this show. It has had so much potential but it's been ruined by inconsistent writers and showrunners and so much executive meddling. I'll just go back and read the Negan saga again (where I stopped with the comics) with JDM's voice and face in my head.