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[InfiniteNine]

Stein;.#$@%&*`s Gate 01

That was a very incoherent first half, and I don't mean that in a good way. Why is everybody in this show crazy? Virtually nothing in the first half made sense, and while that's okay for some things in a mystery anime, it's not okay for characters to all act deranged and off their meds.

The second half was much better, mainly because of the otaku character. It says a lot I guess when the fat loser otaku is the most relatable and sane character, but there you go. There was some actual chemistry in these scenes.

Is there going to be an explanation for why the protagonist is delusional and crazy?

Beginning is disjointed because they speed through the prologue chapter of the game. The first half had a lot more information and explanation but they just left a few clues. Not that the prologue didn't feel weird in the VN but it's that way for a reason.

Okabe is just very eccentric trying to play the role of Maddo Scientisto. It's pretty fun in the VN.

 

[trejo]

In the case of anime, judge the books it's cover 97% of the time.

I'm talking about books, man! Why you bringing animus into the equation?

 

[Branduil]

Beginning is disjointed because they speed through the prologue chapter of the game. The first half had a lot more information and explanation but they just left a few clues. Not that the prologue didn't feel weird in the VN but it's that way for a reason.

Okabe is just very eccentric trying to play the role of Maddo Scientisto. It's pretty fun in the VN.

Why is he trying to play the role of mad scientist? Is it actually explained?

 

[Crash Station]

The comments. The reviews....

I mean...

Why the fuck no? If I am scarred by life its your fault GAF!!!!

Did you read what I said before? Being a moe hater might make you enjoy Madoka even more. Just get to episode 3 before passing judgement.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Summer is going to be amazing.

Not for waiting Berserk fans

 

[firehawk12]

Did you read what I said before? Being a moe hater might make you enjoy Madoka even more. Just get to episode 3 before passing judgement.

To borrow a 4chan phrase (in reference to similar goings on in Sora no Woto episoe 7: It's "Post-Moe-dernism".

 

[Uchip]

Did you read what I said before? Being a moe hater might make you enjoy Madoka even more. Just get to episode 3 before passing judgement.

I dont know what the deal is supposed to be with episode 3
it took my friend 7 to get into it
3 was just the first with a real wtf moment

 

[InfiniteNine]

Why is he trying to play the role of mad scientist? Is it actually explained?

Not sure if they explain it I haven't gotten that far, but after spoiling myself the lack of explanation revolving the event shifts during the symposium by Doctor Chubachi is pretty important. The anime leaves at least one important clue there.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

In the case of anime, judge the books it's cover 97% of the time.

In almost any field, you can usually judge a book by its cover. But if you do that all the time, you'll be missing on significant and worthwhile exceptions, so it's worth giving something a chance if it gives you a reason to do so.

In Madoka's case, knowing that the writer also wrote this is that reason.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I dont know what the deal is supposed to be with episode 3
it took my friend 7 to get into it
3 was just the first with a real wtf moment

Episode 3 is the moment when people who weren't paying close attention to the first two episodes realized what the show was going to be like. it's a big deal because it makes it quite obvious what type of tone the show will have going forward (even though that stuff was all there in the previous episodes, too).

 

[Infinite Justice]

I dont know what the deal is supposed to be with episode 3
it took my friend 7 to get into it
3 was just the first with a real wtf moment

So you kinda answered your own question.

 

[Crash Station]

I dont know what the deal is supposed to be with episode 3
it took my friend 7 to get into it
3 was just the first with a real wtf moment

Well it's the moment you think "wait a minute...did that just happen in a magical girl show?" Then you realize who wrote the thing and suddenly you've figured out what you're getting to.

I personally didn't think the series got to great levels until episode 6.

 

[iavi]

I dont know what the deal is supposed to be with episode 3
it took my friend 7 to get into it
3 was just the first with a real wtf moment

3 was where you first get in on the truth bit, other than that it's pretty underwhelming, imo. The show doesn't get interesting until ep 10.

 

[Jex]

That quote is hilarious. There'd be a lot more inopportune laughter coming from me for statements like that if not for the dour mood.
I watched AIR The Movie and Clannad The Movie and I'm pretty sure there's no crushing emotional weight there though - just those good old random still pan shots Dezaki loves to insert everywhere.

I think he needs to be working with the right material.

*hand on heart*

"Do you know what happened to Rei? She waited here for you!"

*cut to Miya standing with arms crossed*

"Oh, I heard it rained yesterday"

*cue flock of birds flying past*

"How could you do such a thing? You know how Rei feels about you?"

*dramatic FX + cut to Miya's eyes in close-up*

"Don't interefere in what doesn't concern you"

*dramatic wind whips up Miya's hair in a dramatic fashion*

 

[tiff]

If you hate moe so much that every post you make mentions your hatred of moe to some degree then I don't know if the actual content of the show is really going to make a difference.

 

[Uchip]

Episode 3 is the moment when people who weren't paying close attention to the first two episodes realized what the show was going to be like. it's a big deal because it makes it quite obvious what type of tone the show will have going forward (even though that stuff was all there in the previous episodes, too).

eh
I already got spoiled on that before watching it (thanks sankaku)
so the silent-hill-monty-python scene in episode 1 already had a dark tone for me

 

[Jex]

You mean the ratings? Because ANN users feel that Clannad After Story is the second greatest animu of all time. OF ALL TIME.

Yeah, relying on an ANN user poll is a terrible idea.

 

[Branduil]

To borrow a 4chan phrase (in reference to similar goings on in Sora no Woto episoe 7: It's "Post-Moe-dernism".

 

[zeroshiki]

I can assume my dick is 6 feet long, made of steel, and capable of killing a man if I turn around fast enough. That maybe more believable than a 15-16 year old, throwing 100MPH ball. Let's add on accurate enough to get a strike, and having the endurance to last a game.

Sure and if this is some kind of porn olympics hentai anime then you dominating the show would be reasonable.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

eh
I already got spoiled on that before watching it (thanks sankaku)
so the silent-hill-monty-python scene in episode 1 already had a dark tone for me

Like I said, it's all there from the start, but most people didn't really take notice of that stuff early on. Episode 3 is where it becomes obvious to everyone, even the least observant of viewers(take my friend, for instance, who didn't realize that

Spoiler

Homura was in a timeloop until about the halfway point of Episode 10

).

 

[Trojita]

So I guess Japanese VN players are in an uproar today because of a certain game where the players feel they were NTR'd. lol Reminds me of Kannagi.

People played thinking "Well, it's nekoneko, the chances that she is not blood related are very high, but at least it's not NTR"
So suddenly shota becomes MC and has sex with the first MC's sister. Rage ensues.

Basically protag and his little live together, they only have each other in their life and obviously love each other.
There is also a lot of subtext between them.

Protag is also 25 years old and awesome.
He gets stranded on a strange island and can't go back, during this time his entire motivation is to go back to his sister.
Well without spoiling too much he finally manages to go back to his city taking the lolis, the awesome maid and the shota butler who barely appeared with him.

Then enter the common route and of course little sister lover would go for the awesome little sister, but what happen when you enter her route?
The pov suddenly switches to the shota who barely has a personality and he has sex with her after like 15 minutes of time.

 

[Dresden]

So I guess Japanese VN players are in an uproar today because of a certain game where the players feel they were NTR'd. lol Reminds me of Kannagi.

People played thinking "Well, it's nekoneko, the chances that she is not blood related are very high, but at least it's not NTR"
So suddenly shota becomes MC and has sex with the first MC's sister. Rage ensues.

Basically protag and his little live together, they only have each other in their life and obviously love each other.
There is also a lot of subtext between them.

Protag is also 25 years old and awesome.
He gets stranded on a strange island and can't go back, during this time his entire motivation is to go back to his sister.
Well without spoiling too much he finally manages to go back to his city taking the lolis, the awesome maid and the shota butler who barely appeared with him.

Then enter the common route and of course little sister lover would go for the awesome little sister, but what happen when you enter her route?
The pov suddenly switches to the shota who barely has a personality and he has sex with her after like 15 minutes of time.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Gahahaha, NTR ruining the innocence that is your love.

 

[Uchip]

Like I said, it's all there from the start, but most people didn't really take notice of that stuff early on. Episode 3 is where it becomes obvious to everyone, even the least observant of viewers(take my friend, for instance, who didn't realize that

Spoiler

Homura was in a timeloop until about the halfway point of Episode 10

).

watching it a second time with a different group of people was actually better than the first
there are a lot of subtle things that you dont "get" till episode 10, and by that time you would have forgotten them

 

[iavi]

If you hate moe so much that every post you make mentions your hatred of moe to some degree then I don't know if the actual content of the show is really going to make a difference.

It doesn't. Or at the least, that's how it is for me. At the end of the day, if somebody was to walk in on you watching Madoka, they'd see that you're watching a show about little girls, and might proceed to ask what the fuck is wrong you. You can say, "But it's not actually about the moe, it's about tearing down the moe conventions!" Wouldn't work.

I'm not exactly a hater of moe, when used as an artstyle rather than a premise, but am disgusted by the fact that it's what sells nowadays. K-ON and Madoka tear the charts apart...for fucking what? Is the audience that eats this shit up really so deprived that they feel the need to watch high-school girls do mundane shit, with nothing more to it than that.

 

[hellclerk]

To borrow a 4chan phrase (in reference to similar goings on in Sora no Woto episoe 7: It's "Post-Moe-dernism".

Pun stolen, filed in database for later use.

 

[Jex]

And so the ridiculous 180 and some ridiculously stupid scenes of very angry Shinji attacking the 10th, and nearly invincible, angel.

A new idea occurred to me while watching this sequence, after Gendo (maybe) called it the "strongest rejection type" or something like that. Perhaps this means the 10th Angel symbolises (oh God symbolism in Eva? We'll never hear the end of it) or represents Shinji's anger at his father after the Unit-3 debacle. That's the point in the series where he is at his angriest, so much that he leaves NERV, so it kind of makes sense to think about the Angel as his very strong feels of rejection. It would also explain, symbolically, why no-one can stop it but himself.

This had never occured to me before, but that dialogue seems to pretty much spell it out.

So yeah, I'd mostly just differ in degree -- for instance I'd complain a lot more about Asuka's treatment in the movie, they really wreck her character here and that's a big problem. You say some negative things about it, but I'd be stronger.

I thought that's what I pretty much said in my lengthy-breakdown of how they decided to to handle her character. I never explicitly stated it though.

 

[Geneijin]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

It doesn't. Or at the least, that's how it is for me. At the end of the day, if somebody was to walk in on you watching Madoka, they'd see that you're watching a show about little girls, and might proceed to ask what the fuck is wrong you. You can say, "But it's not actually about the moe, it's about tearing down the moe conventions!" Wouldn't work.

I'm not exactly a hater of moe, when used as an artstyle rather than a premise, but am disgusted by the fact that it's what sells nowadays. K-ON and Madoka tear the charts apart...for fucking what? Is the audience that eats this shit up really so deprived that they feel the need to watch high-school girls do mundane shit, with nothing more to it than that.

I know the moe phenomenon and pedophilia fear have some people scared, but I don't see why a story about young girls is something inherently off-limits for anyone who isn't one.

 

[InfiniteNine]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

Watch Madoka. /subliminal advertising

 

[Uchip]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

u mad......oka

 

[trejo]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

Watch Madoka. /more of an order rather than subliminal advertising

 

[Infinite Justice]

Watch Madoka.

fixed.

 

[Solune]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

I haven't watched it either, will watch when it has an ending. You're falling into their hands though, because you'll be waiting like these poor souls.

 

[B.K.]

The continuous Madoka fervor is going to get me to watch it sooner than I wanted if you guys keep this up as much as you all have been ;(

Go ahead and watch it. It's just going to be a four or five month wait for the final two episodes!

 

[hellclerk]

I haven't watched it either, will watch when it has an ending. You're falling into their hands though, because you'll be waiting like these poor souls.

It's better without an ending!

 

[Lafiel]

I know the moe phenomenon and pedophilia fear have some people scared, but I don't see why a story about young girls is something inherently off-limits for anyone who isn't one.

Yeah really, i see no problem in watching a show about little girls. As long as it's not sexualizing them what's the issue?

Then again about that.. i did watch dororon enma today and enjoyed it.:lol

 

[trejo]

I haven't watched it either, will watch when it has an ending. You're falling into their hands though, because you'll be waiting like these poor souls.

The pain and suffering is a good community-building exercise.

 

[Dresden]

Yeah really, i see no problem in watching a show about little girls. As long as it's not sexualizing them what's the issue?

Then again about that.. i did watch dororon enma today and enjoyed it.:lol

The manly hammertime at the end cancelled out all vague fears about pedoservice.

 

[Uchip]

as long as it's not sexualizing them

so like 99% of anime

 

[trejo]

Then again about that.. i did watch dororon enma today and enjoyed it.:lol

Enma's awesomeness cancels all that shit out.

 

[Jex]

I'm not exactly a hater of moe, when used as an artstyle rather than a premise, but am disgusted by the fact that it's what sells nowadays. K-ON and Madoka tear the charts apart...for fucking what? Is the audience that eats this shit up really so deprived that they feel the need to watch high-school girls do mundane shit, with nothing more to it than that.

It seems you're unnecessarily annoyed by certain shows selling well.

Lets look at all the 'moe' shows that come out every season. How many of them outsell K-On? If K-On is selling at a high level it seems to suggest that it's better than others shows of the same type. It's the kind of the 'moe' mountain so you'd expect it to do well.

A better question would be: why is IS selling so well? It's not the king of any particular genre or style. It's just bad.

 

[Swag]

Gys I mss yu sll so mch keP fightng the god fght <3

 

[Lafiel]

Enma's awesomeness cancels all that shit out.

I actually find the sexual fan service works because it's mostly due to go nagai pevertness than simple otaku pandering.

 

[firehawk12]

Pun stolen, filed in database for later use.

It's awesome and true! Madoka is Po-Moe!

 

[Jex]

I actually find the sexual fan service works because it's mostly due to go nagai pevertness than simple otaku pandering.

Go Nagai panders to fetishes no-one ever knows could exist.

I feel like this is a scene that shows up in every single episode. CUE MIYA'S EVIL GLARE.

I have to admit, Miya is pretty awesome.

Miya's at her best when she's controlling everyone in the show through her ruthless mindgames.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Gys I mss yu sll so mch keP fightng the god fght <3

 

[Branduil]

It seems you're unnecessarily annoyed by certain shows selling well.

Lets look at all the 'moe' shows that come out every season. How many of them outsell K-On? If K-On is selling at a high level it seems to suggest that it's better than others shows of the same type. It's the kind of the 'moe' mountain so you'd expect it to do well.

A better question would be: why is IS selling so well? It's not the king of any particular genre or style. It's just bad.

The answer, as always, is that the people who buy anime in Japan are terrible people.

 

[dimb]

Maria+Holic: Alive! seems like more of the fluff episodes, and disappointingly lacking the OP/ED this week.

Whenever I watch the show I feel just like the protagonist. The potential for something really cool is always right around the corner, but it just never seems to happen. And then I get hives.

 

[firehawk12]

The answer, as always, is that the people who buy anime in Japan are terrible people.

IS is the perfect harem with the perfect ineffectual "male" lead. And it has robots... and nerds like robots.