Crash Station
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Holden Caulfield is an unlikable, spoiled prick and all I remember about Great Gatsby is someone got hit by a car.
I think it's clear who the winner is.
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Holden Caulfield is an unlikable, spoiled prick and all I remember about Great Gatsby is someone got hit by a car.
I think it's clear who the winner is.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
OreImo AC 12
You hatin' on Nakamura Yuichi?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yes, Kuwabara is indeed the man. The first episode remains special in my heart. I'm always glad to see new people watching this show. It's really pretty awesome.
chickdigger802
Banned
lol one of the few shows that I gotta watch dubbed.
Nostalgia bitches!
And the dub was pretty good as well.
Wasn't that 'mascot' a demon penguin as well? And we go full circle...
You're seriously going to engage on this?
I am not saying it CAN'T be. I'm saying that the combined history of mankind has shown it not to be the case so far.
There's a line being entertaining and being "one of the best characters in fiction". I somehow doubt Dragonball, One Piece or Medaka Box passes the test.
Crash Station
Member
This is a completely subjective argument. What makes a character "good"? How likable they are? How fleshed out they are? How human they are? How well they react to certain things in the context of their own respective universes?
Kumagawa is one of my favorite characters in fiction. I might not put him in the top 10, but he's up there. Everyone is free to disagree, but I don't see how my opinion is any less viable than yours regarding those other characters you listed.
Femmeworth
Banned
That's just not possible, she isn't even in every episode.
OreImo AC 12 TRUE
yeah, lets not
i'm hating on how awkward and terrible this shit is.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Well, there's a difference between liking a character and stating them to be 'one of the best characters in all of fiction'. Making a statement like that invites people to start comparing them to Raskolnikov or Hamlet or any number of other characters who are accepted as amongst the best characters in fictional stories (or at least, in consideration).
To be the best, a character needs to be an extremely well fleshed out character, who has numerous layers to their personality and complex motivations. Someone who is believable as a real human being, and also compelling to follow the journey of.
To be entertaining doesn't necessarily require all of that, but when you start throwing a term like 'greatest in all of fiction', those points are necessarily going to be brought up.
chickdigger802
Banned
pffff you should post that question on a naruto boards.
you will get interesting answers.
you will get interesting answers.
But then you miss Luffy as a baby-sized god.
Well KuwabaraTheMan already said it but being your favorite does not mean he is one of the best characters in all of fiction. I don't think you, even with your shounen blinders, would claim that Kumagawa is the best character in all of Japanese manga. So expanding that to THE ENTIRE WORLD and accounting for literature and movies, I don't think there is any way, statistically or otherwise, that something as hyperbolic as "Kumagawa is one of the best characters in all of fiction" could possibly be true.
dakkumauji
Member
Medaka Box 01
Shiranui is the best.
I liked it. I liked the over the top explanation of things, the wholesome dream that will never occur, the wackiness of the characters, just about everything. I get that it pretty much shifts gears into a battle anime in a few episodes so I am looking forward to how it changes.
Shiranui is the best.
I liked it. I liked the over the top explanation of things, the wholesome dream that will never occur, the wackiness of the characters, just about everything. I get that it pretty much shifts gears into a battle anime in a few episodes so I am looking forward to how it changes.
hosannainexcelsis
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Shirokuma Cafe 1
Outside the autotuned abomination of an OP song, this is a fairly inoffensive show. The problem is it's not a particularly entertaining one either. This is billed as a comedy, but it's not funny - gently charming is as far as it goes. Any mildly successful gag gets overused, such as Panda's mother vacuuming him up or Polar Bear's constant Japanese puns. The pace and delivery is incredibly relaxed - except on the few times when a sudden punchline attempts to be energetic and awkwardly breaks the mood - and so the writing falls limp and flat.
This wouldn't be a bad time-waster in a slower season - it's relaxing at any rate - but there's too much coming out now for me to bother with it. Looks like I'll have to give up on finding an enjoyable comedy.
Outside the autotuned abomination of an OP song, this is a fairly inoffensive show. The problem is it's not a particularly entertaining one either. This is billed as a comedy, but it's not funny - gently charming is as far as it goes. Any mildly successful gag gets overused, such as Panda's mother vacuuming him up or Polar Bear's constant Japanese puns. The pace and delivery is incredibly relaxed - except on the few times when a sudden punchline attempts to be energetic and awkwardly breaks the mood - and so the writing falls limp and flat.
This wouldn't be a bad time-waster in a slower season - it's relaxing at any rate - but there's too much coming out now for me to bother with it. Looks like I'll have to give up on finding an enjoyable comedy.
Dedication Through Light
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Kore wa Zombie s2 ep 1
Well that was an excellent start to this. Really enjoyed virtually every single moment, Ayumu never fails to deliver as well as the side comments characters give. Curious how they will
Well that was an excellent start to this. Really enjoyed virtually every single moment, Ayumu never fails to deliver as well as the side comments characters give. Curious how they will
fix the chainsaw, as well as what the entity of evil is.
Ultimadrago
Member
Fate Zero: Onegai! Einzbern Soudanshitsu: Episode 3
Well, that was informative and cute.
All the more ready for Season 2's premiere!
Well, that was informative and cute.
Poor Zayd!
All the more ready for Season 2's premiere!
She's that good.
I don't like the YYH dub because Kurama sounds like a dork. Everyone else is good, but Kurama, the most fabulous character in the show, got screwed. ;(
I also attest to the quality of the show!
Crash Station
Member
But who decided these qualifiers and how did they define "complex motivations"? Isn't anything involving the word "compelling" subjective? Is there no such thing as a good character in a minimalist work?
Not even all of that, I'd say. The most important thing is I've found is fitting within the framework, which may not always mean that they be relatable or require human qualities/motivations, and that, within that framework, they have foils that not only exemplify for dramatic purposes, but clarify. You can't really judge characters as single entities/in a vacuum. For example: Lenina of Brave New World was a fabulous character, but wasn't particularly fleshed out by her own actions, or able to relate to; John/Bernard being the foils from which the reader was able to get a perspective on her they could understand.
I-I need this...
That character seems so amazing.
Medaka Box 01
Shiranui is the best.
I liked it. I liked the over the top explanation of things, the wholesome dream that will never occur, the wackiness of the characters, just about everything. I get that it pretty much shifts gears into a battle anime in a few episodes so I am looking forward to how it changes.
That character seems so amazing.
Unknown Soldier
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I-I need this...
When will Best Neko return to us? WHEN?!
Unless cosmicblizzard pulls out the BigOne card and adds FACT! to his posts, I don't really understand what's the problem with his subjective opinion on what is one of the best characters in fiction for him (and I don't even have a clue who Kumagawa is).
She was the highlight of the first episode.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
You're going to go with Gatsby and Caulfield as contenders for greatest fictional characters? Really?
If you trace this conversation back, it was me saying that I thought it was funny that he was saying that over and over. I am not saying he doesn't have a right to his opinion. I'm saying there's a very flimsy basis for it.
Why not? Sure beats Kumazawa.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, this is a good point (and Brave New World is one of my favorite works of all time, so yeah). I was mostly just talking off the top of my head over the things that I think make a character compelling, but there are certainly many characters that work outside of traditional frameworks (especially as many great works tend to subvert or break away from the typical expectations of how stories function), and a great character is one that will work within that particular story.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I loved Catcher in the Rye, but Caulfield was a one-note asshole. I don't remember The Great Gatsby as clearly, but I'm pretty sure Gatsby was a big blubbering manchild.
Space Bros 1
That was quite good. It did most everything you'd want from an opening episode, including establishing the primary character relationships, building the setting, and laying out clear expectations for where the plot is headed. The editing was also very effective, in how it maintained a smooth pacing, intelligently mixed in flashbacks, and connected events occurring in different places and times. It was particularly interesting how they connected scene transitions using visual composition.
That was quite good. It did most everything you'd want from an opening episode, including establishing the primary character relationships, building the setting, and laying out clear expectations for where the plot is headed. The editing was also very effective, in how it maintained a smooth pacing, intelligently mixed in flashbacks, and connected events occurring in different places and times. It was particularly interesting how they connected scene transitions using visual composition.
Space Bros 1
That was quite good. It did most everything you'd want from an opening episode, including establishing the primary character relationships, building the setting, and laying out clear expectations for where the plot is headed. The editing was also very effective, in how it maintained a smooth pacing, intelligently mixed in flashbacks, and connected events occurring in different places and times. It was particularly interesting how they connected scene transitions using visual composition.
Those gifs man, those parts made the first episode so funny/awesome.
That sounds good to me. The animation seems more suited towards that.
A Black Falcon
Member
What do you have against strong female characters?
Confident, strong Medaka is great.It's ridiculous-bad, not unwatchable-bad, though.
For me anyway that is.It's not too much like it before then either.
Of course I haven't watched S2, but from what I've heard, a part of what's wrong with the second season is exactly that it IS more like the manga, given that S1 of the anime is generally regarded as being better than the manga ever was...
I do think that ep. 12 did a good enough job of explaining what they were doing there, if you paid attention, but yeah, it was nice to see some followup on it even so. As I said I do think the show is at its best when they're in space, but it was a fine land-based episode as good as any of the rest of them so far. That is, pretty good.
On the spoilered point, I'm not sure...
It's a new semester, did the old president graduate?
Yeah, seriously.
What is the world is the point of killing her off in the first episode, when the entire remainder of the show shows that what she did doesn't actually kill anyone else? Just to start the series out with tragic depression and then fake people out by not continuing with that tone? What's the point of THAT?
I assume that the reason is probably what you say, awful writing all around. That's just a reason though, not an excuse.
I was so bored by Rinne I dropped it after two episodes, though of course mecha stuff has never been my favorite. (I doubt it's worth picking up again?)
Yup.
What, trying to prove my point, are you?
7.5/10, with THAT MC? That's kind, too kind... even if you don't have too much criteria, how awful Shirou is as a character should drop it a bit below that, I think.
The franchise is somewhat interesting, but it messes up almost as much as it does right, sadly, and this is probably the weakest of the Fate series.
Ah, that one girl did die in ep. 1, yes?
Sad to see Milky Holmes II start off selling half as much as the first season did. Hopefully it picks up with later volumes, as the season improved...
Dantalian in die Bibliothek vol. 09
Some good art in here, even if it comes at the cost of the animation being bad. Even for such a good hook I wasn't particularly engaged with what was going on (although I suppose that could be a side effect to not watching much else of the series). There's something really off about the pacing, and how one scene transitions into another. There are a lot of strange fades to black, like the shots aren't really there to be strung together. I also can't say that the near silence spanning across most of the episode really does a lot for me. I wasn't sure if this was because an artistic choice because they were in a book, but if it is it isn't consistent, and certain scenes suddenly pick up with a song in the background.
Interesting to watch for the unrealized potential, but Dantalian is still Dantalian.
That was a pretty good episode, the concept and execution were both quite clever. I thought the surprise and actual plot were both well done... definitely a good episode, both in terms of story and art.
Oddly enough, looking back, I never got around to watching eps 10-12 of this series? Why not? I mostly liked the 9 episodes I watched. I need to finish it.
Eh, if you look at her in an action pose and not that one there, I think Otome's Tokugawa's at worst no worse than Basara's. I mean, like all the characters in that series, she is a good fighter of course. Oh, going just by costumes, I think Basara and Collection's are the worst. Otome's is slightly, but not much, better.
(I will say though, I was pleasantly surprised that the MC in Otome actually didn't stay in her school uniform through the series... I was fully expecting her to stick with her Japanese school uniform, because those "Japanese school kid brought into another world" characters do exactly that something like 99% of the time, but no, just a couple episodes in she gets a series-appropriate costume. That was nice.)
That wouldn't make any sense in Sengoku Otome though, given that male humans literally don't exist in that world... but sure, I'd be interested to see something like that for sure. I do like Koihime Musou, but a more realistic take like that would be pretty interesting to see too.
Pretty much, yeah, though it looks like Sengoku Collection is turning out worse than Sengoku Otome did.
No, they're female versions of the names. I think the two groups worked together to come up with names they'd both use or something... I mean you could be right, but I doubt it, there are so many characters that I'd think that someone would have a slightly different name, if they weren't coordinating it.
Unfortunate.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I didn't even notice that red card connection when I was watching. After reading the first chapter of the manga for comparison, I'm impressed at how the anime improved on it in many subtle ways in the process of making it fit its new medium.
Well the two scenes are several minutes apart, so it could be easy to miss, but it's quite funny when you do see it. And it's impressive that they set up a visual gag that far in advance while making it seem natural.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yeah, I didn't pick up on that at all. It's a really nice little touch (the kind of thing that Space Brothers seemed to have a lot of in the first episode).
chickdigger802
Banned
polar bear cafe
wtf.... is... I... enjoy?
Anyone else find it disturbing that a panda has a panda hand bag?
That's like a dude having a bag that looks like a head.
wait...
wtf.... is... I... enjoy?
Anyone else find it disturbing that a panda has a panda hand bag?
That's like a dude having a bag that looks like a head.
wait...
Hmm, wonder if I should try to make it to this. It's not for another two months, but still.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-05/singer-mayn-to-perform-in-l.a-san-francisco-in-june
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-05/singer-mayn-to-perform-in-l.a-san-francisco-in-june
I'm pretty surprised of how active this thread is; didn't know Gaf liked anime this much.
Anyway, I'm amazed at how much Oreimo entertains me, basically nothing happens in some episodes, like the one when Kuroneko's just doing regular things around her house and Kirino spends the day playing her new Eroge; but I just breeze through them and end up strangely amused.
Anyway, I'm amazed at how much Oreimo entertains me, basically nothing happens in some episodes, like the one when Kuroneko's just doing regular things around her house and Kirino spends the day playing her new Eroge; but I just breeze through them and end up strangely amused.
Space Bros 1
That was quite good. It did most everything you'd want from an opening episode, including establishing the primary character relationships, building the setting, and laying out clear expectations for where the plot is headed. The editing was also very effective, in how it maintained a smooth pacing, intelligently mixed in flashbacks, and connected events occurring in different places and times. It was particularly interesting how they connected scene transitions using visual composition.
Loved this episode. Great start.
Just noticed the matching red book to the flag thrown on Zidane.
Didnt notice before.
We don't, we just like talking about it on the internet.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
It's never been this busy before. I'm not exactly sure what happened.
Man Fate/Zero S2 is so close yet still so far away
Femmeworth
Banned
You obviously haven't spent enough time reading this thread.
We like to troll each other more than liking anime.
The singer did die, yeah.
Jay Gatsby is one of the greatest characters in Fiction. He exhibits pure class.
No we mostly like talking about word meanings and other pointless areas of discussions then actually discussing anime itself.
So do you guys think Medaka Box is going to be better or is it ultimately just a bad show through and through? Will the aforementioned genre shift change it for the better?
It's pretty interesting that Il Teatrino is actually more similar to the source material than the first season was. Didn't know the mangaka was actually involved in the production of the second season. Hmm, do you recommend reading the manga?
It's pretty interesting that Il Teatrino is actually more similar to the source material than the first season was. Didn't know the mangaka was actually involved in the production of the second season. Hmm, do you recommend reading the manga?
I hear from a few people that it should be getting better but I haven't read the manga, personally.
I'm sticking with it for at least a few more episodes since I actually enjoyed myself with it.
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