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Spring Anime 2012 | Welcome Home, Space Cowboy
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Folktales from Japan 1
As others have said this was basically a Japanese version Aesop's Fables. It's got a really nice laid back atmosphere to it so I'll definitely continue to watch this. Poor backlog
As others have said this was basically a Japanese version Aesop's Fables. It's got a really nice laid back atmosphere to it so I'll definitely continue to watch this. Poor backlog
Is nothing sacred?!
Yeah, the way the fucked up the original broadcast was one of the reasons why I wrongly believed Bebop didn't do all that well in Japan. What a clusterfuck.
Agreed.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Has anybody shat on Sailor Moon yet?
I have nothing against TTGL's first episode. They're both very good first episodes, and they both set proper expectations in relation to their series as a whole. Each dramatic arc matches the typical episode of its respective series.
I think the biggest problem with TTGL's first is that Kamina comes across as a very "flat" character (which is probably what bothered frostbyte so much). He seems like an outsized caricature of over-the-top fearlessness. It takes the events of episode 2 for his more human side to appear. I think understanding that contrast, and why it exists, is important for understanding the series, and it's not apparent at all in episode 1.
It takes a long time for the full dimensions of Bebop's characters to appear, but I think we get a clear enough sense of Spike and Jet's personalities in the first episode that it works better as an introduction to the series.
chickdigger802
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meh ill give Jormungand a shot...
but low budget gun violence...
isn't that Hidan no Aria?
but low budget gun violence...
isn't that Hidan no Aria?
I wonder what the initial reception was compared to when WOWOW showed the full thing.
I think it was probably something like:
When it aired - "Wow, TV Tokyo is a fucking terrible station."
When it aired again - "Wow, TV Tokyo is really a fucking terrible station."
heh, maybe i should start watching Sailor Moon....
Crash Station
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Saint Seiya Omega 2
These Cloth Stones are seriously annoying me. They should be giant boxes!
I did like the elemental cosmos explanation. That leads me to believe there will be more intensive tactics this time around, though I could be expecting too much, especially if Heartcatch is any indication.
These Cloth Stones are seriously annoying me. They should be giant boxes!
I did like the elemental cosmos explanation. That leads me to believe there will be more intensive tactics this time around, though I could be expecting too much, especially if Heartcatch is any indication.
I don't think there was ever much of a reaction in Japan. I think it continues to be a pretty obscure series over there.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
7th posted this in the Project X Zone thread and it made me wonder, when the fuck are Trigger gonna announce their next shit?
I think Funi picked it up and will be doing some sort of 'simulcast' with it.
Didn't someone say earlier in this thread that the DVD sales were pretty good, obviously not as good as the US but not bad either?
Ah, the good ol Funi 'simulcast.' Honestly, after all the impressions here, I'll just wait till they get it out. In White Fox, I trusted.
Once they're done staffing up on more CG animators!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I'm blaming you and your Black Shit Shooter obsession for this travesty.
Yeah, I agree. I was hooked right away.
That sounds like an amazing set of runs.
But imagine the CG cars they could make!
You should, because it's a good show!
Nothing should be sacred, or exempt from criticism.
Perhaps you missed the part where I was comparing the first episodes as introductory episodes, as in, episodes designed to draw an audience in. Or maybe you just wanted to stand on your soapbox and crow about how awesome Cowboy Bebop is and how anyone who thinks it's less than stellar is so terrible, etc.
Uh, I just see people engaging in rational discussion about them, instead of the usual circle jerking over a few sacred cows.
Basileus777
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I don't get the CG hate. Without it we wouldn't get amazing things like this:
White Fox is already showing us the future.
Just imagine, if White Fox put some third rate animator on the scene and did it in 2D instead, it might look even MORE amazing.
well, I might just be repeating a old inaccurate rumour. It did spawn a video game and movie after all. But i don't think I've ever seen it on a japanese top ten list. where over here its almost required.
http://video.adultswim.com/cowboy-bebop/asteroid-blues.html
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Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
And yet the most impressive CGI water I've seen is still Final Fantasy Chronicles'.
The only way I've watched Cowboy Bebop is through the Latin American dub. This is not too shabby either.
I personally haven't checked. It wouldn't surprise me if the Japanese hated it but I also wouldn't be surprised if it went the other way as well.
Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
Jesus that's some of the worst use of CG and animation I've seen in a long time. Note how his body doesn't even look like it's in water.
Cowboy Bebop sold relatively well in Japan, is fondly remembered especially by core animation fans. But as a franchise which cannot be exploited, abused, and saturated with merchandising for 14 years, anyone in Japan who is enough of an anime fan today to bother participating in garbage polls and reading garbage magazines would probably not have any idea of what the show is.
Unknown Soldier
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Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
The CG in Fate/Zero is beyond godlike.
Femmeworth
Banned
Are we back in the 90s?Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
So there's new info on Tari Tari out, the new show from PA Works. Summary shows that this will be about a choir and the friendship between the 3 girls. Its also based in Enoshima on the beach. Whats with these beachside towns and anime recently (Kamogawa in Lagrange).
I think the staff is old but its basically the HanaIro staff except Ando, he's been replaced by Hashimoto Masakazu who directed a Layton movie.
I think the staff is old but its basically the HanaIro staff except Ando, he's been replaced by Hashimoto Masakazu who directed a Layton movie.
Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
I've seen better water in PS2 games.
I am willing to bet that you won't be able to find any CG as bad as this in the 90s in anime. 00s maybe, but not 90s.
Basileus777
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Just imagine, if White Fox put some third rate animator on the scene and did it in 2D instead, it might look even MORE amazing.
Judging by the quality of all the 2D animation in that episode, you're absolutely right.
Unknown Soldier
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They didn't exactly use a lot of CG in the 90's that I can recall. It's hard to transfer CG to film!
They thing you really haven't said, however, is how TTGL did anything better. Aside from TTGL having to coherently present a premise more bizarre, relatively--which it did just fine, both episodes did their job of giving a very clear view of the setting;
Kamina and Simon made it to the surface, after the antics, with a pan out at the vastness, and Bebop employed rather simple bit of visual storytelling in showing that the 'cars' (parking in the spot, as if it was one) of their day are jets...that would further be shown to be not just 'jets' as one might have assumed initially, but space vehicles;
Kamina's bravado and, ultimately, Simon's cowardliness, and in the case of bebop, Spike's heavy-handedness
Kamina and Simon only had one real direction, and Jet and Spike were bounty hunters--
I personally feel that Bebop was directed with much more tact, but do feel that both did what first eps are to do.
Infinite Justice
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Let's not forget the amazing CG in Another:
Truly, the glorious future of CG is upon us.
Reminds me of seeing the CG in Macross Zero
Folktales from Japan 2
It's certainly nice to see them mix up the art style for the different shorts otherwise this series would run risk of becoming rather visually stale.
It's certainly nice to see them mix up the art style for the different shorts otherwise this series would run risk of becoming rather visually stale.
lmao. another p.a. works masterpiece
Femmeworth
Banned
Surely something must exist.
Some of the Macross Plus scenes are really really bad. But they're still not a central integrated scene featuring a character doing something like that. Lol.
Crash Station
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Final Fantasy X actually had really pretty water in one of the FMVs.
Ano Natsu de Matteru-Complete
This is a shittier version of Toradora on multiple levels and the final episode is horrible all on its own. Where to start? The drama, drama, and drama. The whole fucking scenario feels so contrived even worse than Ano Hana in regards to the audience knowing all of this is going to end in tears and it's dragged out so long. The characters themselves really aren't that interesting except Remon who is a class A troll.
The animation was relatively decent and the music was adequate but nothing decent. I did like the character designs themselves though.
Here's the major problem though. Many of these relationships are already predetermined in that we don't see how they developed. This is a fundamental problem in how the audience invests in both the characters and the relationships as it's just another fact given instead of it being the emotional component that it is. The beautiful thing about Toradora is that the audience sees the fundamental relationships form and thus have an investment into the world.
Now the final episode is a big WTF as the whole MiB thing actually being real breaks the setting of the anime and is farfetched for the show. Yes this is an anime about spaceships however they use a running joke throughout the series and make it real in a very hamfisted scene that feels like a straight Deus Ex Machina even though it somewhat isn't.
The love scenes also feel way too overtop which may be representative of teenage puppylove but come off somewhat annoying in the presentation. Kaito and Ichika also seem off in their own little world while the rest of their friends are struggling in depression at being rejected. You see these happy scenes with the new couple then Kanna crying in a ball somewhere and you can't help but cheer for the underdog, Kanna, and think something is going to happen when she rushes off to his house but the whole scene just passes by.
I'm having a hard time deciding to give this either a 6 or a 7. The production values themselves are very good and the whole filming a movie about their summer rather than what they actually were trying to film is a rather touching point.
This is a shittier version of Toradora on multiple levels and the final episode is horrible all on its own. Where to start? The drama, drama, and drama. The whole fucking scenario feels so contrived even worse than Ano Hana in regards to the audience knowing all of this is going to end in tears and it's dragged out so long. The characters themselves really aren't that interesting except Remon who is a class A troll.
The animation was relatively decent and the music was adequate but nothing decent. I did like the character designs themselves though.
Here's the major problem though. Many of these relationships are already predetermined in that we don't see how they developed. This is a fundamental problem in how the audience invests in both the characters and the relationships as it's just another fact given instead of it being the emotional component that it is. The beautiful thing about Toradora is that the audience sees the fundamental relationships form and thus have an investment into the world.
Now the final episode is a big WTF as the whole MiB thing actually being real breaks the setting of the anime and is farfetched for the show. Yes this is an anime about spaceships however they use a running joke throughout the series and make it real in a very hamfisted scene that feels like a straight Deus Ex Machina even though it somewhat isn't.
The love scenes also feel way too overtop which may be representative of teenage puppylove but come off somewhat annoying in the presentation. Kaito and Ichika also seem off in their own little world while the rest of their friends are struggling in depression at being rejected. You see these happy scenes with the new couple then Kanna crying in a ball somewhere and you can't help but cheer for the underdog, Kanna, and think something is going to happen when she rushes off to his house but the whole scene just passes by.
I'm having a hard time deciding to give this either a 6 or a 7. The production values themselves are very good and the whole filming a movie about their summer rather than what they actually were trying to film is a rather touching point.
Crash Station
Member
I actually meant right at the beginning when Sin is doing stuff and Tidus is holding onto the thing while the waves splash around below.
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