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[hosannainexcelsis]

I don't know, MGX has drool porn and panty shots, it's got alot more going for it than Apollon and Tsuritama at least.

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.

The female lead is too aggressive for the average otaku to make her his waifu.

Senjougahara is pretty aggressive. That's not a problem.

 

[zeroshiki]

Unless they fuck it up, it will be pretty huge. Just include Character Song CDs in the LEs, and watch the money flow.

Also include a code for redeemable smartphone app that is an alarmclock with all the cast members recorded individually saying "WAKE UP ONII-CHAN!" so you can choose your favorite to wake up to every morning.

Oh god, you're both right. I fear for Bakemono's record.

The smartphone app can't be limited or else people will start killing for it.

For background to the people who don't know AKB, they've had something like 7 straight million selling singles. People spend thousands upon thousands for the chance to redeem multiple purchases with some stupid shit like a handshake or a kiss mark or an autograph.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

Maybe we have a new Chiaki Omigawa in the making.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.

Hanasaku Iroha was just as cynical and that seemed to turn out fine.

Senjougahara is pretty aggressive. That's not a problem.

But Senjougahara had the tragic backstory since the very first episode. In the otaku's mindset that's just a flag for "she just needs to find a nice guy like myself to sort her problems out like her white knight" self-insertion fantasy. Urabe is just plain ol' weird and bossy.

 

[Jarmel]

Lagrange is probably the classiest show there, and it's fucking number eleven. Japan is upside down.

Agreed.

I'm also curious what is needed to break even most of the time.

Natsume S4, Ano Natsu de Matteru, and Daily Lives of High School Boys aren't bad at all. (Certainly they're all better than Rinne no Lagrange.) I'm far from one to support Japanese otaku's purchasing habits, but come on.

Is this a joke? Ano Natsu is definitely not in the same league as Rinne.

E7AO could do 7-10k I think. Even Star Driver managed it. I'm sure all the Omigawa fans are already pre-ordering!

Hyouka is a tough call since I don't even know what to expect from the show. But I'm smelling a bomb because it's so different from normal KyoAni stuff, plus it's not Key.

Fucking Star Driver did 7-10k? Yea I guess AO will probably do that at a minimum especially if it turns into harem bait.

Yea it's definitely too early to say how Hyouka is going to go. I mean if it's closer to K-ON then it's possible to do well but if it's more serious in tone then I would expect the sales to go down.

 

[cajunator]

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.



Senjougahara is pretty aggressive. That's not a problem.

Oh god, you're both right. I fear for Bakemono's record.

The smartphone app can't be limited or else people will start killing for it.

For background to the people who don't know AKB, they've had something like 7 straight million selling singles. People spend thousands upon thousands for the chance to redeem multiple purchases with some stupid shit like a handshake or a kiss mark or an autograph.

I'm actually kind of disturbed by how fanatical Otakus in Japan are getting. Like legitimately frightened by it.

 

[PdotMichael]

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

I hope the hate for the new VA came just from a loud minority, because she sounds very good.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.

But the blatant over the top Dr. Pepper and PizzaHut commercial in Steins:Gate and Code Greass were okay.

Otaku are sometimes (very often) pretty shitty.

 

[wonzo]

speaking of filth...

Kannazuki no Miko 4

Let it be stated for the record that alcohol and Kannazuki no Miko simply don't mix!

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.

my hatred for the otaku grows yet deeper still

 

[Branduil]

Hyouka is a tough call since I don't even know what to expect from the show. But I'm smelling a bomb because it's so different from normal KyoAni stuff, plus it's not Key.

It's not like only KyoAni's KEY stuff has sold. I don't really see how it's that different from their usual shows, either. The premise shares some similarities to Haruhi, and it's visually similar to K-on/Disappearance. Obviously there are no guarantees, but it seems to have more in common with their hits than stuff like Nichijou.

 

[Haly]

I want a Senjougahara app for my android where she hurls abuse at you every so often.

 

[cajunator]

I want a Senjougahara app for my android where she hurls abuse at you every so often.

I just want a Senjougahara app period.

 

[hellclerk]

Haiyore! Nyarlko 02
I honestly wonder, can these brilliant animators keep up the same level of hijinks from here or did they jump the shark in the first episode and it's all downhill from here? Such a potential both excites and terrifies me to levels where I'm going to have to make multiple San checks. Man, my poor d%s...

 

[wonzo]

I just want a Senjougahara app period.

virtual stapler

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Hanasaku Iroha was just as cynical and that seemed to turn out fine.

Hanasaku Iroha also had a significant tourism component to it, but it wasn't as in-your-face with it as Rinne was. I mean, Rinne put "Kamogawa" in the title of every single episode!

Is this a joke? Ano Natsu is definitely not in the same league as Rinne.

No joke, simply a difference in opinion. Ano Natsu may not have had the deepest characters, but Rinne's were definitely worse and were not saved by their ensemble interactions the way Ano Natsu's were. While I had issues with some of the fanservice in the early episodes of Ano Natsu, Rinne's fanservice was even more obnoxious and out-of-place. Plus Rinne had a serious identity crisis between its mecha action, its (boring) interstellar drama, and its (half-boring) high school girls slice-of-life. Ano Natsu had a much more sustained atmosphere of romantic dramedy which it carried through to the end.

 

[Thoraxes]

The smartphone app can't be limited or else people will start killing for it.

First print LE exclusive.

Make only as many as there are pre-orders.

Print money.

With the RKB and Fate Zero clocks, I can see this item becoming pretty ridiculously popular in the future. Its a good thing in my opinion.

Yep yep. I've seen the light.

I didn't imagine you were into that.

I'm into some weird stuff. If you saw me on the street you'd have no idea.

you dare defile kawamori's work with such filth!?

Printing money knows no sacred cows.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Hanasaku Iroha also had a significant tourism component to it, but it wasn't as in-your-face with it as Rinne was. I mean, Rinne put "Kamogawa" in the title of every single episode!

Maybe the otaku are just afraid of finding scantily-clad 3D women in the beaches of Kamogawa.

 

[Thoraxes]

Hanasaku Iroha also had a significant tourism component to it, but it wasn't as in-your-face with it as Rinne was. I mean, Rinne put "Kamogawa" in the title of every single episode!

Maybe the otaku are just afraid of finding scantily-clad 3D women in the beaches of Kamogawa.

To answer you both: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=411397

 

[duckroll]

I don't think a "tourism" element has positive or negative impact on the sales of a show honestly. Rinne probably failed to sell because it was perceived as just another mecha moe show with all girl pilots. Been there, done that, everyone who likes stuff like that already bought Infinite Stratos, everyone else who doesn't like stuff like that might have stayed away from the show to begin with.

 

[zeroshiki]

Hanasaku Iroha also had a significant tourism component to it, but it wasn't as in-your-face with it as Rinne was. I mean, Rinne put "Kamogawa" in the title of every single episode!

There's also the small detail of Yunosagi being imaginary. HanaIro is based on a real place but they didn't even use the place's name in the show.

 

[Jarmel]

Whatever MGX has going for it, it lost it all when it cast a newbie voice actress and ticked off the otaku.

On a related note, as I understand it one of the big reasons Rinne didn't sell well is because otaku got upset at its blatant tourism ads.

Really? Otaku somehow always seem petty and it's horrible that shows depend on people like them for sales.

 

[wonzo]

To answer you both: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=411397

tbqh i wouldn't want otaku shitting up my city either

 

[Haly]

I don't think a "tourism" element has positive or negative impact on the sales of a show honestly. Rinne probably failed to sell because it was perceived as just another mecha moe show with all girl pilots. Been there, done that, everyone who likes stuff like that already bought Infinite Stratos, everyone else who doesn't like stuff like that might have stayed away from the show to begin with.

Are you implying that otaku are actually discerning buyers?

This changes everything!

 

[duckroll]

It's not like only KyoAni's KEY stuff has sold. I don't really see how it's that different from their usual shows, either. The premise shares some similarities to Haruhi, and it's visually similar to K-on/Disappearance. Obviously there are no guarantees, but it seems to have more in common with their hits than stuff like Nichijou.

The difference is that so far the things which KyoAni have been successful at selling were already very popular before their involvement. Key adaptations, Haruhi, FMP, K-On. These are all stuff which would be popular even if KyoAni never touched them. Lucky Star is less successful, and Nichijou was a total flop. Their original Munto stuff is so unpopular most people never heard of them.

Can anyone here honestly say that they knew what Hyouka is before KyoAni's announcement? The big question on everyone's minds is how real is the KyoAni effect? Were people buying KyoAni shows because of the studio brand? Or was it because they just happened to adapt stuff which were already popular on their own?

 

[cajunator]

I don't think a "tourism" element has positive or negative impact on the sales of a show honestly. Rinne probably failed to sell because it was perceived as just another mecha moe show with all girl pilots. Been there, done that, everyone who likes stuff like that already bought Infinite Stratos, everyone else who doesn't like stuff like that might have stayed away from the show to begin with.

I do think IS cannibalized any potential sales from it already.
It didn't set itself apart well enough.
Oh well at least nissan footed part of the bill so they can absorb the loss.

 

[/XX/]

ClariS got an album out and nobody told me!?

Hey! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35345874&postcount=4674

And you appeared there two posts after mine...

I think I'll go to lay down... somewhere... now...

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Really? Otaku somehow always seem petty and it's horrible that shows depend on people like them for sales.

When you build a culture around satisfying specific fetishes, it's not surprising the people in it turn out to be petty.

While we're talking about the purchasing power of otaku, there's a somewhat relevant interesting series of blog articles from several months ago about "The Great Shift in Japanese Pop Culture" that I don't think was ever posted in here. The basic thesis is that as mainstream audiences gradually lost interest in purchasing and consuming cultural products after the economic crash, the power to shape the market increasingly shifted to fringe groups whose identity is tied up with purchasing goods, such as the otaku.

 

[Jarmel]

No joke, simply a difference in opinion. Ano Natsu may not have had the deepest characters, but Rinne's were definitely worse and were not saved by their ensemble interactions the way Ano Natsu's were. While I had issues with some of the fanservice in the early episodes of Ano Natsu, Rinne's fanservice was even more obnoxious and out-of-place. Plus Rinne had a serious identity crisis between its mecha action, its (boring) interstellar drama, and its (half-boring) high school girls slice-of-life. Ano Natsu had a much more sustained atmosphere of romantic dramedy which it carried through to the end.

Rinne had very very little fanservice to it. I also find the identity crisis bit to be false as it was easy to figure out early on there was going to be interstellar drama(and even then it wasn't that big of a deal in the series). I will give you the slice-of-life bit as they tried too hard to incorporate it into the story but it was handled relatively well especially compared to some other shows I've seen. The cast did have relatively decent chemistry as Mugi played off of Lan pretty well. Ano Natsu was much more inconsistent in tone even within episodes and near the end it took away from both aspects. In within a 5 minute span you would have someone crying then a few minutes later there is a joke or the new couple smiling happily.

I don't think a "tourism" element has positive or negative impact on the sales of a show honestly. Rinne probably failed to sell because it was perceived as just another mecha moe show with all girl pilots. Been there, done that, everyone who likes stuff like that already bought Infinite Stratos, everyone else who doesn't like stuff like that might have stayed away from the show to begin with.

Atleast god struck this show down. I wonder what the rage level was like when it was cancelled over in Japan.

The difference is that so far the things which KyoAni have been successful at selling were already very popular before their involvement. Key adaptations, Haruhi, FMP, K-On. These are all stuff which would be popular even if KyoAni never touched them. Lucky Star is less successful, and Nichijou was a total flop. Their original Munto stuff is so unpopular most people never heard of them.

Can anyone here honestly say that they knew what Hyouka is before KyoAni's announcement? The big question on everyone's minds is how real is the KyoAni effect? Were people buying KyoAni shows because of the studio brand? Or was it because they just happened to adapt stuff which were already popular on their own?

FMP was a complete bomb. Isn't it their worst selling stuff other than Munto (and possibly Nichijou but I never bothered looking up the sales for it).

 

[cajunator]

Rinne had very very little fanservice to it. I also find the identity crisis bit to be false as it was easy to figure out early on there was going to be interstellar drama(and even then it wasn't that big of a deal in the series). I will give you the slice-of-life bit as they tried too hard to incorporate it into the story but it was handled relatively well especially compared to some other shows I've seen. The cast did have relatively decent chemistry as Mugi played off of Lan pretty well. Ano Natsu was much more inconsistent in tone even within episodes and near the end it took away from both aspects. In within a 5 minute span you would have someone crying then a few minutes later there is a joke or the new couple smiling happily.



Atleast god struck this show down. I wonder what the rage level was like when it was cancelled over in Japan.



FMP was a complete bomb.

Seriously?
Damn. I know it was pretty big in the US for a little while.
Fumoffu is fucking hilarious.

ANyway, so what is it about the Japanese vs america anime buying culture that leads american buyers to collect more variety of series vs the japanese concentrating heavily on a few. Is it purely the prices? Or is there some other difference in the way both markets view the anime industry?

 

[duckroll]

FMP was a complete bomb. Isn't it their worst selling stuff other than Munto (and possibly Nichijou but I never bothered looking up the sales for it).

Complete bomb? Fumoffu averaged 7k per volume, the DVD box set sold another 3k or so, and the BD box set sold over 6k. TSR averaged 5-6k per volume, the OVA sold like 11k. The boxes for TSR were bad though, 2k for the DVD box, and less than 3k for the BD box.

Not amazing sales by any means, but both shows still sold like 2x what the first GONZO series did, so I think they were happy with the improved sales from KyoAni.

 

[cajunator]

Complete bomb? Fumoffu averaged 7k per volume, the DVD box set sold another 3k or so, and the BD box set sold over 6k. TSR averaged 5-6k per volume, the OVA sold like 11k. The boxes for TSR were bad though, 2k for the DVD box, and less than 3k for the BD box.

Not amazing sales by any means, but both shows still sold like 2x what the first GONZO series did, so I think they were happy with the improved sales from KyoAni.

This clearly demonstrates that Fumoffu is the superior show. Otaku approved.

 

[Jarmel]

Complete bomb? Fumoffu averaged 7k per volume, the DVD box set sold another 3k or so, and the BD box set sold over 6k. TSR averaged 5-6k per volume, the OVA sold like 11k. The boxes for TSR were bad though, 2k for the DVD box, and less than 3k for the BD box.

Not amazing sales by any means, but both shows still sold like 2x what the first GONZO series did, so I think they were happy with the improved sales from KyoAni.

Well according to this Fumoffu did really well, TSR didn't come close.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699
TSR was averaging in the mid 4ks except for that beastly OVA. TSR is closer in line with Gonzo sales.

 

[duckroll]

This clearly demonstrates that Fumoffu is the superior show. Otaku approved.

Fumoffu is definitely more popular than regular FMP as far as the animes are concerned. I'm surprised they never just made another season of it with original jokes and stuff, since the author basically works with KyoAni on non-FMP shows as well.

 

[kiryogi]

Ano Natsu de Matteru 10
MORE CLACKING. And wow, Mio was sooooo coool. I really love this cast.

Kara no Kyoukai 5
Holy shit that was badass. That made me think about saving to buy the BD boxset for absurd prices. XD But still waiting on the DVD release otherwise.

 

[cajunator]

Fumoffu is definitely more popular than regular FMP as far as the animes are concerned. I'm surprised they never just made another season of it with original jokes and stuff, since the author basically works with KyoAni on non-FMP shows as well.

I have Fumoffu and didn't bother with the actual series. Is it worth getting? Is there any other humor in it or is it more serious?

 

[Jarmel]

Fumoffu is definitely more popular than regular FMP as far as the animes are concerned. I'm surprised they never just made another season of it with original jokes and stuff, since the author basically works with KyoAni on non-FMP shows as well.

They actually have a ton of stuff from the LNs that they could animate too now.

Also WOW at those Nichijou sales. It didn't even break the 1k marker?

I have Fumoffu and didn't bother with the actual series. Is it worth getting? Is there any other humor in it or is it more serious?

Yea there is humor in it but there are serious arcs where the comedy is much more restrained.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

Rinne had very very little fanservice to it.

Let's recall the first episode, shall we? The fanservice got toned down in succeeding episodes, but then it got worse again around episode 7.

I also find the identity crisis bit to be false as it was easy to figure out early on there was going to be interstellar drama(and even then it wasn't that big of a deal in the series). I will give you the slice-of-life bit as they tried too hard to incorporate it into the story but it was handled relatively well especially compared to some other shows I've seen.

Certainly the opposite poles of intersellar drama and school life were set up early in the series, but I didn't find them particularly well-integrated.

The cast did have relatively decent chemistry as Mugi played off of Lan pretty well.

Mugi and Lan are both horrible stereotypes and I want to strangle them both.

Ano Natsu was much more inconsistent in tone even within episodes and near the end it took away from both aspects. In within a 5 minute span you would have someone crying then a few minutes later there is a joke or the new couple smiling happily.

Ano Natsu had some problematic fanservice moments; episode 6 was particularly bad in this regard. But the second half of the series ironed those out and nailed the proper atmosphere for its drama, thanks to the good art and Nagai's direction.

 

[duckroll]

Well according to this Fumoffu did really well, TSR didn't come close.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=109699
TSR was averaging in the mid 4ks except for that beastly OVA. TSR is closer in line with Gonzo sales.

You have to take into context how sales figures are collected. Usually we definitely get the first week sales, unless they're really, really terrible. Beyond that, whether we get second week and subsequent week follow up sales depend on how low the number is. In general shows continue to sell small numbers but data is never collected.

http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/フルメタル・パニック！

I think this gives a better picture of how the sales actually look. I'll say that each volume of TSR hitting 5k eventually is pretty likely. As for the first series sales though, it was all over the place, as you can see. TSR is consistently comparable to the peaks, but it went much lower than that.

 

[BGBW]

Spoiler

Yes it does, TV was either cut abruptly and they'll explain in home release or thats it. In the manga, The murmur of the first and third world, and Yuno of the third world end up creating a passageway into the third world. (the cracking that we see at the end in TV) and thanks to the first world murmor, third world Yuno has all the memories of first world Yuno. To answer your question though, Deus ends up not doing a diary game in the third world and makes both Yuki/Yuno his heirs.

So yeeeah, TV viewers got a little fucked there.

Mirai Nikki spoiler discussion

Spoiler

You forgot the most important detail. SHE USES A BLOODY HAMMER TO DO IT! A HAMMER OF ALL THINGS! Why did I not get to see animated hammer time? I wanted to see this trainwreck move in front of my eyes and see the reaction from the anime only followers. I'll never forgive them.

 

[duckroll]

Re: Rinne. FWIW, I dropped the series because of fan service. I really couldn't take it once they had a full beach episode with girls getting naked and shit. The fan service in Hanairo annoyed me too, but the setting and story was at least interesting and unique enough to keep me interested. With Rinne, it was just pretty backgrounds and mecha. The characters weren't very compelling, and the story was pretty cliched. I was willing to give it a shot if it didn't annoy me, but it did, so bam. No longer interested.

 

[Brazil]

Let's recall the first episode, shall we? The fanservice got toned down in succeeding episodes, but then it got worse again around episode 7.

And then it got toned down again. It was in no way a constant throughout the series.

 

[PdotMichael]

You could make a similiar list (or even longer) with 90% of all animes this season.

So I don't see exactly the problem with the Rinne fanservice.

 

[Brazil]

You could make a similiar list (or even longer) with 90% of all animes this season.

So I don't see exactly the problem with the Rinne fanservice.

There's no inherent problem. It's just that the fanservice, in combination with the show's weaknesses in other aspects, turn some people off.

 

[zeroshiki]

Plus, all the characters outside of Madoka were terrible.

 

[duckroll]

You could make a similiar list (or even longer) with 90% of all animes this season.

So I don't see exactly the problem with the Rinne fanservice.

And 90% of all anime this season won't sell. What's your point? We're discussing why the show failed to take off and resonate with a larger audience.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

And then it got toned down again. It was in no way a constant throughout the series.

That makes it worse. There's few things I hate more than when I'm watching a show and it suddenly takes a break from what I watch it for so it can indulge in "Fanservice Time". If fanservice is carefully and consistently integrated with the rest of the show, like Rinne's mecha pilot uniforms, I won't mind it too much. Something like "And now we will make the female cast get naked and wet" is going to turn me off.

Honestly, I failed to finish the show for much the same reasons as duckroll: I enjoyed the colorful visuals, the design, and the energy, but there wasn't anything compelling enough to get me past the most obnoxious fanservice moments.

You could make a similiar list (or even longer) with 90% of all animes this season.

I'd like to see that.

 

[cajunator]

Plus, all the characters outside of Madoka were terrible.

I liked Lan
She was so cute.
Not terrible.

 

[Jarmel]

You have to take into context how sales figures are collected. Usually we definitely get the first week sales, unless they're really, really terrible. Beyond that, whether we get second week and subsequent week follow up sales depend on how low the number is. In general shows continue to sell small numbers but data is never collected.

http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/フルメタル・パニック！

I think this gives a better picture of how the sales actually look. I'll say that each volume of TSR hitting 5k eventually is pretty likely. As for the first series sales though, it was all over the place, as you can see. TSR is consistently comparable to the peaks, but it went much lower than that.

It's certainly better than I thought. Someone posted a ranking of Kyoani sales and both FMPs were near the bottom but I guess that attests to some of their other hits rather than being a reflection of the FMP's sales on their own. Nichijou it seems does qualify for the complete bomb rather than FMP anyway. Looking at other works by Kyoto I would say that FMP was certainly a disappointment.

And 90% of all anime this season won't sell. What's your point? We're discussing why the show failed to take off and resonate with a larger audience.

The tone of the fanservice also wasn't as egregious as other shows.

 

[wonzo]

Strawberry Panic 7

FUCKING FINALLY

 

[duckroll]

It's certainly better than I thought. Someone posted a ranking of Kyoani sales and both FMPs were near the bottom but I guess that attests to some of their other hits rather than being a reflection of the FMP's sales on their own. Nichijou it seems does qualify for the complete bomb rather than FMP anyway.

Yeah, I think my general point was that KyoAni's success in recent years has created this expectation of the studio being a strong sales brand and having a sort of Midas touch when it comes to adaptations. The reality seems to be pretty different, and considering how Hyouka doesn't appear to be an established and popular franchise on its own, I think the results will be interesting.

 

[Soma]

Strawberry Panic 7

FUCKING FINALLY

well now i know which episode to start on. :>

 

[Thoraxes]

This conversation is increasingly less about why it didn't sell as much and more just people saying why they personally didn't like shows through rapid digression.

Either way, I agree with Pdot.