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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Forspokens really burnt them bad, huh?
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PanzerCute
Member
How many Squix games have you bought in the last 3 years to say something like that?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Deserves no more than a 7 out of ten...if ypu are being kind. Just for production value. I gave it a 6 personally.So atrocious, how could SE ever live with themselves after 16's reception?
Just shameful. Horrific. Devastating.
Why would I care what reviewers think. They are talentless hacks.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
We will start with 2020 leading up to 2024.
Octopath Traveler
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Trials of Mana
Bravely Default 2
NieR Replicant
FFVII Remake
Chocobo GP
Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin
Valkyrie Elysium
Star Ocean: Divine Force
Dragon Quest Treasures
Forspoken
Octopath Traveler 2
Star Ocean Second Story R
Thank you for asking! I look forward to Rebirth and the next Dragon Quest.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Literally MILLIONS of people lol
asdasdasdbb
Member
FF7 is a franchise in and of itself.
OGM_Madness
Member
I think he tried to say that Final Fantasy is one of the games ever made.
SlimeGooGoo
Banned
Squeenix is a lost cause.
They put those arrogant producers in charge that think they "know best" how to make a FF.
Turn based?
Oh you think you want that, but you don't really want that! You dumb, we smart!
Don't like the otaku pandering, bad shounen writing and filler in our recent games?
How DARE you? Drop those nostalgia glasses and get with the times! People LOVE cinematic walkie talkie segments!
Also, that'll be $70 for the first part.
Dragon Quest will be next. There will be nothing left then.
They put those arrogant producers in charge that think they "know best" how to make a FF.
Turn based?
Oh you think you want that, but you don't really want that! You dumb, we smart!
Don't like the otaku pandering, bad shounen writing and filler in our recent games?
How DARE you? Drop those nostalgia glasses and get with the times! People LOVE cinematic walkie talkie segments!
Also, that'll be $70 for the first part.
Dragon Quest will be next. There will be nothing left then.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I hope it hurt their feelings to see BG3 win GOTY and sell a zillion copies. They took an old ass franchise and made it feel modern without dumbing it down. Can’t wait for their FF9 remake where you mash X and watch Vivi do backflips while the screen fills with particle effects in between slow walk and chats.
TheAssist
Member
And I am of the very unpopular opinion that they should do that for more FF games. There is so many different kind of FF games these days and so many fan bases. Its impossible to make a FF game and not get a shitstorm from one side or the other.
I think they should spend more time with each entry and iterate more on their concepts. I think iterating on FF7 Remakes systems is going to to wonders for the game. Not spending 6 years on a game just to shelf everything you've learned while making it would be a great start.
Maybe they have actually learned from FF7 Rebirth. They only took 4 years to make a game that is vastly bigger than Remake in terms of story covered (meaning Cutscenes), assets needed, world scope and size, enemy numbers and variety and so on. But still their turn around was faster, since they had little churn on the developers side. Most people stayed with the team, so they knew how the engine worked, they knew how the game worked, they knew each other and the processes.
So maybe in the future Square will make more FF (and other franchises) of similar kind. So back to the X-2 and 13-2 stuff, but hopefully good. And of course people will call out "greedy publisher" but I think it would be a decent idea.
- use a 3rd party engine
- iterate more on already working systems and franchises (and I mean working ones, not the ones no one gives a shit about)
- probably try to separate studios less. Which might also be something they've learned from FF16 development. More collaboration between all the studios
Faust
Perpetually Tired
Forspoken was a massive flop.
Theatrythm is fantastic, but niche to rhythm game fans who also like final fantasy music.
Octopath, Star Ocean, and FFXVI were great games that did well, according to the data we have.
The rest were massive flops, a niche of a niche of a niche, or insulting gacha garbage.
Of course their sales would be low if this was their output.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
One easy way would be to let me play their games and I'll tell them if the game is shit.
kazuyamishima
Member
So it seems a lot of people are still blaming FF16.
When their Mobile/MMO sections are in decline, that's why mostly they are flat alongside other games released that didn't meet their expectations (not FF16 of course)
But, the narrative continues it seems.
When their Mobile/MMO sections are in decline, that's why mostly they are flat alongside other games released that didn't meet their expectations (not FF16 of course)
But, the narrative continues it seems.
Sojiro
Member
Curious what this means for their "AA" games, because I have been loving SE's output with that department: Octopath 1 and 2, Live a Live remake, Star Ocean Remaster, Tactics Ogre Remaster, and Triangle Strategy have been fucking great games. I hope this restructuring doesn't mean those kind of games start disappearing.
Show me the Star Ocean sales data because to me only Octopath and FF16 are commercial successes, regardless of quality.
KimDongHwan
Member
I think they can maybe reduce the scope of future games but make it a very condensed turn-based JRPG. It is clear that making the same 4-CDs type of games is not feasible monetarily speaking so maybe this path can lead to some higher quality (less bloat) and JRPG mechanics that actually feel good.
proandrad
Member
Huh?... gaf told me FF16 sold great! That it blew away expectations!!
More like people on gaf hard coping that is was a failure because is wasn’t a “proper RPG.” FF16 sold great, reviewed great, and the majority of people liked it. Deal with it.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Every time numbers come out they tell another story.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It's a failure because GILGAMESH isn't in it. It really is that simple.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Are fucking kidding me!? I love those AA games they make, I hope they continue making them.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Huh?... gaf told me FF16 sold great! That it blew away expectations!!
This isn't about FF XVI but, I get it. Still not on Xbox (maybe never), so you gotta hate.
Anyway, I hope this overhaul includes a surprise reveal for a Parasite Eve remake at the State of Play later today. That IP really does deserve more love, don't let The 3rd Birthday sully everything Square-Enix!
Every time numbers come out they tell another story.
What numbers? We got the 3 million around launch, the game has ranked on NPDs/Circanas, Amazon lists, seen spikes on ROTW charts etc. since launch, and is probably close to between 4 - 5 million in sales.
Meanwhile, RE4 Remake just crossed 5.5 million not too long ago with an earlier launch and many more platforms, but I don't see you concern-trolling about that being a bomb. It'd be nice for once if you dudes just admit you have a hateboner for Square-Enix games on PlayStation because you feel they are obligated to bring everything to a certain other platform, that hasn't exactly earned the business of such.
And then when it does get a big Final Fantasy release, they slap another subscription service charge on top of it. Like come on
Yep and it's just boring at this point. They really do have an axe to grind with Square-Enix just because they prioritize PlayStation for the big Final Fantasy games. That's all it really is about.
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near
Gold Member
A lot of Square Enix's output has come from external developers, very few projects are actually handled in-house. The restructuring that Kiryu is referring to is more than likely just staff allocation across the business to optimise in-house productivity. Possibly even cutting down on their publishing arm activity with IPs that haven't sold very well.
Just give Natsuko Ishikawa a lead writer role on the next mainline FF, so that I can experience her work, and I'll respect these changes. I'm still not willing to lose my life to FFXIV!
Just give Natsuko Ishikawa a lead writer role on the next mainline FF, so that I can experience her work, and I'll respect these changes. I'm still not willing to lose my life to FFXIV!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So 149 reviews don't matter, but your one opinion does?
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It does to me. Looks like I'm in almost the 10 percent of the crowd that felt the same.
Killer8
Member
Are fucking kidding me!? I love those AA games they make, I hope they continue making them.
Those games are not what i'd consider as the AA slop. Live A Live is an awesome game.
I'm talking about this shite:
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Some will be hit and some will not, I want SE keep on experimenting with AA games, that how we get interesting games.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Divine Force is great though. And you can play as GILGAMESH in Chocobo GP so it's a auto win.
Elysium I have mixed feelings on.
Elysium I have mixed feelings on.
Scotty W
Banned
Drop the insults and discuss like an adult.
Nah. You are conflating the remake. It’s dreck, and shame on you for playing and defending it! Imagine, a grown ass man who defends dilly dally shilly shally. You are stupid!
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Well....tbh, the quality of FFXVI was never an issue. Its of high quality, I merely disagreed with a few design choices, but that really isn't something that can be corrected in an extra year.
hyperbertha
Member
The story was the most generic predictable shit show in a ff game. Very boring villain. Complete tonal 180 after the first half as well.
Qte are pointless and add nothing to the game.
Difficulty alone doesn't add depth. As it is, it's still too button mashy.
Mister Wolf
Member
The founder still has creative control over Dragon Quest. You don't trust him?
OuterLimits
Member
Completely agree with this. I have bought a ton of their AA stuff the last couple years and enjoyed them more than their big budget AAA releases.
Part of the problem was that Square released many of their smaller titles within a few month period which certainly didn't help.
Myths
Member
Yeah, exactly. Go play the Tales Of and Atelier games if you need that fix, cause this isn’t it.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
These games are infinitely better than 'button-mash to see the next cutscene' modern AAA Squeenix.Are fucking kidding me!? I love those AA games they make, I hope they continue making them.
DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
I agree. 15 was horrible 16 is one of the best games I ever played. I'm getting close to finishing it. It's a excellent game. I'm so glad they ditched turned based. The boss fights are amazing.
near
Gold Member
It was announced about a week or so ago that Tokyo RPG Factory got dissolved, and a perfect example of what Kiryu means by restructuring. They were a subsidiary under Square Enix that failed to produce a meaningful return on their investments, and as a result got shut down.
I think we'll still see SE publish and produce AA/B tier projects. Games like Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler were largely developed externally, but the character designs/illustrations, artwork, scenario, and direction were handled internally. We could see them shift the main programming and technical duties of these types of games in-house moving forward.
Buggy Loop
Member
Idea #1 : Main FF done in HD-2D graphics
Idea #2 : Remake Chrono Trigger with HD-2D graphics
Idea #3 : make Dragon Quest with HD-2D graphics
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You see where this is going?
Idea #2 : Remake Chrono Trigger with HD-2D graphics
Idea #3 : make Dragon Quest with HD-2D graphics
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You see where this is going?
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
These things sell niche. SE wants big AAA success like their PS1-PS2 days with the franchise.Idea #1 : Main FF done in HD-2D graphics
Idea #2 : Remake Chrono Trigger with HD-2D graphics
Idea #3 : make Dragon Quest with HD-2D graphics
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You see where this is going?
They have a very solid blueprint with ff16. The issue is their structure is a team makes a FF then another one comes in to do the next. They need to commit to one mainline FF team to keep making the next game better from their own learnings. Western studio AAA tends to keep the same team working on a franchise to expand upon it like Uncharted for example.
SE already takes care of the HD2D gang with octopath , triangle strategy, and the planned Dragon Quest remaster.
near
Gold Member
FF7 and FF8 are the only two titles in the franchise that did gangbuster numbers. The rest fall in line with FFXVI without re-releases, ports, compilations, sales etc. Most people have a skewed reality of how successful FF was in the past, because of how those games made them feel when compared to more recent releases. Those games you mentioned might seem niche to you, but they're considered really successful. Octopath 1+2 sales are in the region of 4-5 million units. Dragon Quest III HD-2D would also easily do those numbers alone. I'm almost certain that there is far more scrutiny from management when investing in AAA projects as opposed to AA/B tier 2D titles, which obviously has a better risk/reward ratio.
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Bernardougf
Member
Finally... will look forward for not completely shit modern final fantasies