http://massivelyop.com/2015/08/06/gamescom-2015-star-citizens-chris-roberts-dismisses-derek-smart/
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Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: 'Arena Commander' Dogfighting
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http://massivelyop.com/2015/08/06/gamescom-2015-star-citizens-chris-roberts-dismisses-derek-smart/
(Much more diplomatic here)
Thanks.
Maybe, because people are too used to 'AAA' games with shit amount of content and just cant believe that their beloved studios are not as good as they claim to be and do not produce really masterpieces they are reviewed on.
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I dont have links at hand. It is probably discussed somewhere 30 pages back.
Sleepy Buddha
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Yeah, the way Illfonic are wording the whole "our work on Star Citizen FPS is nearly complete" seems strange. Unless they were contracted just to do the building blocks for the FPS and then that work was to be handed over to CIG for them to actually build the game, it could be that the issues they faced with it were really too much for them and CIG has decided to let them go and go forward with an internal team.
Either way, I'm not going to worry about it. I was already in too deep before Gamescom, and what I saw at Gamescom has left me satisfied. I wish they were a bit faster, but I rather they take some time to make it good than rush.
A rushed game is forever bad, but a delayed game brings in many Ferrari's.
- Chris Roberts, Cloud Imperium Games Founder
Dictator93
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The glove is actually untextured and does not even have normal maps right now, hence why it looks wrong.
What is going on with the ship texture? Not exactly sure, a number of textured surfaces do that in the game and I think it is something with cryengine. Not sure to be honest.
Sleepy Buddha
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LOL As long as he delivers, he can have all the sports cars he wants.
Dictator93
Member
What is up with the weird checkered texture pattern? Hope that's a glitch
See it on his glove as well
I figured it out, it is not a texture pattern by default... rather how the area light shadows look when they are far away from their origin (an aritfact of their resolution and filtering).
Look at these shadows here and compare places where the umbra/penumbra are with the places where there is no shadowing:
Well, here's how I interpret things by reading between the lines: CIG has told IllFonic that its own studios will take it from here; IllFonic's services aren't needed anymore outside of perhaps a little support ("You didn't comment this part of your code, what the hell does it do?"). So IllFonic is shifting basically all of its Star Citizen staff over to the MMO it's working on. In doing so, three of those people were made redundant, as there are more talented people working in their positions on the MMO already, so they were laid off. Likewise, three people already working on the MMO were laid off because they're being replaced by dudes coming over from working on Star Citizen.
So saying that IllFonic was "fired" from Star Citizen still may not be wrong. GamesIndustry.biz is just reporting what the CEO has said that six people were laid off and that their work on Star Citizen is "winding down" so people are moving to "other projects."
I figured it out, it is not a texture pattern by default... rather how the area light shadows look when they are far away from their origin (an aritfact of their resolution and filtering).
Look at these shadows here and compare places where the umbra/penumbra are with the places where there is no shadowing:
Interesting. Nice catch!
That's true, they are specifically talking about their company's role with the FPS module winding down rather than the overall project.
Edit: yup, there it is.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...mperium-moving-more-star-citizen-dev-internal
This article was just put up on Kotaku and it's driving the Community a bit mad.
Nothing really damning in it, and hard to verify since the sources are "anonymous".
Nothing really damning in it, and hard to verify since the sources are "anonymous".
Dictator93
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Sh. Please be worried.
But seriously, the game has been in full dev for a relatively short amount of time for a game, let alone an MMO of this ambition. And yet we have seen what we have seen and know SQ42 and pu are even further ahead than what has been demod.
This game attracts so much 'manufactured' drama... I swear.
therealminime
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Yeah it's really not. The Kickstarter was launched, what fall 2012? Granted they'd probably started before then, but even if that's the case 3 or 4 years really isn't too crazy. If they've been in full scale development for 3 years this fall than, yeah, for a game this size and this ambitious it really isn't crazy. Halo and CoD are on three year cycles. I think it just feels long from some because of how many eyes are looking at it, wanting more and more. And the model of its funding and of its development draws even more attention. I'd only say it's been in development for a long time if nothing more releases for another, oh I don't know, two years.
Hell, The Witness will end up taking as long as or more then Star Citizen. : (
staticneuron
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Hmmm
so is it 200 or..
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/fans-dropped-77m-guys-buggy-half-built-game/
One would think someone who would have been working on game would know how many people are apart of the product. And one of Chris's predictions at gamescom rang true already.
Basically this SC is a failure drum is going to beaten no matter what is shown, no matter how open the development has been until the alpha is released. And even after that I am sure some will try to point out the fact that it is in alpha state or throw around incorrect assumptions about other AAA mainstream titles being made in only two years.
Sax Russel
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Pretty happy about FPS production moving to internal studios, at least.
Xplatformer
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All I know is...
If CIG wasn't making this game all I'd have to look forward to over the next two years is Destiny 2 and Elite Dangerous.
Neither of which is what I want. Star Citizen is, so I'm willing to pay for it and I'm willing to wait for it.
PERIOD.
If CIG wasn't making this game all I'd have to look forward to over the next two years is Destiny 2 and Elite Dangerous.
Neither of which is what I want. Star Citizen is, so I'm willing to pay for it and I'm willing to wait for it.
PERIOD.
What is up with the weird checkered texture pattern? Hope that's a glitch
See it on his glove as well
Looks like the game loaded the wrong specular map for that texture.
The NeoGAF org's starting to show up on some rankings:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3hi2dw/this_weeks_organizational_statistics/
Not bad considering the restricted membership. Need another 200 or so to enter the top 25.
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Ditto. People are seriously comparing development to Duke Nukem Forever (a game that, remember, took over a decade to make and went through multiple studios). It's been 2 1/2 years, have some fucking patience.
How pervasive is the XML editing (or other cheating) in public games right now? Always seems to be one person who is just an order of magnitude above the rest.
As far as I can tell, there was a re-encrypt tool included in the accidental leak which people were using to re-encrypt their edited scripts.pak, but CIG recently changed the key so people shouldn't be able to do that any more. Wondering if people still have a way to re-encrypt scripts.pak or people are just working with inventory.xml (which is supposed to have a bunch of checks on it)
As far as I can tell, there was a re-encrypt tool included in the accidental leak which people were using to re-encrypt their edited scripts.pak, but CIG recently changed the key so people shouldn't be able to do that any more. Wondering if people still have a way to re-encrypt scripts.pak or people are just working with inventory.xml (which is supposed to have a bunch of checks on it)
Not sure if this was posted yet.
Saitek HOTAS & Peripherals Analysis + Saitek Q&A
They made a good point about the Saitek fighting game controller they made, it is very high quality. And the other joystick manufacturers haven't made a new joystick in years.
Saitek HOTAS & Peripherals Analysis + Saitek Q&A
Mr Daniel Nuth said:
They made a good point about the Saitek fighting game controller they made, it is very high quality. And the other joystick manufacturers haven't made a new joystick in years.
staticneuron
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I am surprised people are keeping track like this. Fascinating to see though.
We can see our stats on the leaderboard too:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/arena-commander/leaderboard?mode=VC
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Whitelines
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Just applied to the Gaf organization!
Zalusithix
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As far as the new joystick in years thing goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." It's only with Elite and SC that we have any need for a new HOTAS. For traditional flight models, something like the warthog is as good as ever. The tech is about as advanced as you'll get without increasing the cost more.
I have X-55 and i feel that i need more buttons for SC (For Ellite its fine) to serve all my needs, but what has me interested is the trackball function.
Sadly looking at the pictures of high end model, i do not see as many buttons ar easy reach as X-55 had. But perhaps back dashboard and touch displat will serve just as well.
Zalusithix
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If that is actually an interactive display on the joystick, its functionality is going to be... questionable. Given the lack of any tactile nature, you'll have to look down to see what you're doing, and what's worse, you'll either have to remove your hand from the stick to use it, or cross your left hand over to the right side. Neither situation is all that great.
Those were almost certainly very, very early mockups. I can't imagine otherwise considering they were pretty much slightly modified x52 and x55 sticks and I believe CIG mentioned non-operational.
Personally, if the high-end stick is the next evolution of the X65, and comes with a force sensing stick, I'd definitely consider getting one (assuming they fix the position of the touch screen).
Personally, if the high-end stick is the next evolution of the X65, and comes with a force sensing stick, I'd definitely consider getting one (assuming they fix the position of the touch screen).
CyberPunked
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So that's what's wrong with that armour. I always thought the texture work looked awful.
Zalusithix
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Force sensing stick? I wouldn't get your hopes up. It wasn't exactly a big hit the last time they tried it. Safer bet for them to stick with traditional stick movement.
Zalusithix
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Assuming it isn't and money isn't an issue, there's always the FSSB R3 + Warthog stick route if you really want a force sensing stick.
Dubbedinenglish
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Still concerned over the talk of aiming with trackball while flying. It's one thing to rub your stomach and pat your head, it's another to make circles with your thumb and counter circles with your wrist at the same time. Having analogue as strafe is welcome prospect. Current I have the hat on the throttle for absolute strafing control and the dials as a analogue for landing/ takeoff.
Would've preferred a nub stick simply for the auto-centering nature though. Seems more intuitive than (presumably) having to center the ball after movement. Then the ball needs some sort of tactile "this is dead center."
Curious how you need more buttons? I have the X-55 and really I feel covered with all the functions except ship menu which I have on the keyboard.
UpDownLeftRight
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Yeah I looked these up way back when the Cougar was a thing, couldn't justify the price then and can't justify it now. Guess that's why a Saitek offering would be a nice option.
Zalusithix
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Yep, I've been curious, but nearly $500 is a tough pill to swallow for something that I'm not even sure that I'll like. Then again, with the tech behind something like that, it might not worthwhile to go for anything but the best. A half-assed force sensing stick will be worse than a half-assed traditional stick.
Even worse: It would seemingly be a poor investment for Star Citizen.
Anybody having bought an expensive HOTAS in anticipation of Star Citizen is now more or less "screwed". If their reveal of HOTAS with trackballs is any indication, they're aiming to fix the balance issues by building hardware around the issue, rather than adapting the gimbal/flight model to fit the existing HOTAS setups and put mouse/keyboard setups on equal ground control wise. To my knowledge (correct me if I'm mistaken!), none of the currently available HOTAS offers trackballs.
I'm thinking of adapting a kind of Frankenstein configuration for Star Citizen:
Mouse + Keyboard, a good throttle with an analogue stick for lateral movement (CH Products Throttle) and rudder pedals for rolling (I'm still eyeing the slaw device. My wallet am cry etc. >.<).
One thing I certainly won't do, both on principle and because I'm not completely happy with the robustness of my Saitek X52 Pro, is to buy a new Saitek HOTAS, especially designed for Star Citizen.
Zalusithix
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I don't buy into the idea that the joystick's trackball is a good solution to gimbal aiming. Controlling gimbals with a trackball is already clumsy compared to a mouse. Controlling them with a thumb based trackball in a joystick is going to be awkward at best, and next to useless at worst. Besides, my thumb is already busy with other functions. I'd either have to remap damn near everything to be controlled by the left hand, or stop doing them to aim.
I'd rather have a good stick to do the things the stick is supposed to do rather than have a gimmick embedded into a mediocre one.
If the gimbal aim has to be controlled by something in a HOTAS, I'm partial to an analog stick on the throttle.
I'd rather have a good stick to do the things the stick is supposed to do rather than have a gimmick embedded into a mediocre one.
If the gimbal aim has to be controlled by something in a HOTAS, I'm partial to an analog stick on the throttle.
Ugh...
While I have no idea if I'd hit anything using auch a trackball, I'd still be far Mir confident in using that for gimbals then an analogue stick slapped on a Joystick. I already can't aim with those on a gamepad if it isn't for aim assist in consoles. Not to mention aiming over long distances in a Space sim.
Preferences etc.
That's why I'm considering such a Frankenstein setup. Not that I'm anywhere near a competent shooter player (still sad this is what star Citizen will seemingly boil down to), but at least with a mouse, I feel like it's my fault rather than me being unable to do quick, precise minuscule movements on a stick with little travel, in order to bring a pointer across a huge image onto a small target.
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