Zalusithix
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Pretty much this. They should just can DX11 support all together once they get DX12 working. Anybody that wants to play this game is going to need a DX12 capable GPU to begin with, and everyone gets Windows 10 for free.
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Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: 'Arena Commander' Dogfighting
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Pretty much this. They should just can DX11 support all together once they get DX12 working. Anybody that wants to play this game is going to need a DX12 capable GPU to begin with, and everyone gets Windows 10 for free.
Dictator93
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Yeah, it is crazy.
Titan X. The funny thing is, even if you assume a a much higher improvement clock for clock, it is probably still CPU limited in that scene I posted
But then with an OC.. who knows.Yeah.
I personally think they should drop their DX11 path altogether and just use Vulkan for all those who do not move to W10. And then Dx12 for everything else.
I mean, I really don't give a damn if someone wants their pre-GCN card to run this game (it won't anyway).
Zalusithix
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Yeah, it is crazy.
Titan X. The funny thing is, even if you assume a a much higher improvement clock for clock, it is probably still CPU limited in that scene I posted
Yeah.
I personally think they should drop their DX11 path altogether and just use Vulkan for all those who do not move to W10. And then Dx12 for everything else.
I mean, I really don't give a damn if someone wants their pre-GCN card to run this game (it won't anyway).
Anybody that doesn't move to Windows 10 on a gaming rig is being stupid. There's nothing to be gained by staying on Windows 7/8.
Titan X. The funny thing is, even if you assume a a much higher improvement clock for clock, it is probably still CPU limited in that scene I posted
Yeah, but if you run out of juice with a Titan X that's more to worry for
.Dictator93
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Yeah, it is hard to really care for people that do not upgrade their rig or move to newer APIs.
When the hangar module launched their were complaints that it did not run on DX10 cards on their forums. What on earth are people thinking sometimes exactly?
Yeah, but if you run out of juice with a Titan X that's more to worry for
Targetting 60fps has its down sides
Targetting 60fps has its down sides
What res are you playing at? I'm happy with my 970, does the job well at 1080p.
Dictator93
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1080p. I think the best way to test your framerate as to what the more production version of the game will run like GPU-wise is to load up the training module. That scene in the asteroid hangar uses lots of GPU time.
Dictator93
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Squadron 42 shoot seems to have wrapped up today.
Zalusithix
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I really wonder how they managed to keep straight what floor marker was for what. I'm sure there was a method to the madness, but from the outside looking in, it looks like they let a child loose in there.
How on earth do we still not have an alpha for the FPS module? Screw polishing the game, just get something out there.
CIG has proven that they're good at creating (and re-creating) assets but there's been very little transparency on the big technical hurdles. I suppose you can't sell good netcode for $400 though.
CIG has proven that they're good at creating (and re-creating) assets but there's been very little transparency on the big technical hurdles. I suppose you can't sell good netcode for $400 though.
Sax Russel
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It feels like every time they need to implement something new they have to rework huge swathes of CryEngine to make it happen. Which just fuels my back of my mind ever present unease about their choice of engine and its ability to handle their planned scope/design.
Thats the way with middleware engines. They provide You tons of stuff by default, but reworking code is always harder than writing everything from ground up.
They won't release the FPS module when they know that they can't get any meaningful feedback out of it because it (netcode) is so buggy.
Zalusithix
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That and they'd have just as many people bitching at them for releasing a buggy module as they currently have people bitching at them to release the module. If you're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, it makes sense to choose the "don't" side.
The project was pitched by promising unprecedented access to an in-development AAA game. We were going to see early code, warts and all and we'd watch as the game was built. That is absolutely what I was hoping to see. Greyboxed/placeholder assets, missing/unfinished mechanics, etc.
In practice, we've been given a very polished, super sandboxed branch that has very little to do with what's actually in development. CIG spends months polishing shit so it looks great for public consumption only to realize later that their polished assets are useless for the actual game and everything is rebuilt. It's a waste of resources.
I understand why they're doing it. Much of the fanbase would have a heart attack if the modules were pushed out like that. And CIG is absolutely concerned about unpolished stuff hurting thier funding. Doesn't mean I have to like it!
In practice, we've been given a very polished, super sandboxed branch that has very little to do with what's actually in development. CIG spends months polishing shit so it looks great for public consumption only to realize later that their polished assets are useless for the actual game and everything is rebuilt. It's a waste of resources.
I understand why they're doing it. Much of the fanbase would have a heart attack if the modules were pushed out like that. And CIG is absolutely concerned about unpolished stuff hurting thier funding. Doesn't mean I have to like it!
Zalusithix
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Eh, as long as you understand why, all is fine. People that understand what true betas and alphas are would be fine with them releasing buggy stuff. Unfortunately those people are the minority; most people are used to the fake "betas" thrown around by various companies. Throwing something out there that's a totally buggy mess would have people shouting from the rooftops condemning CIG.
They're just taking the conservative route. "Star Citizen will never be out." is less damaging hyperbole than "Star Citizen is a buggy pile of shit that'll never be fixed." The first will be written off when the game is released. The second will linger in people's minds and make them question whether the game is worth getting.
Xplatformer
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There is a youtube video of a guy playing with a 960 at 1080p. It looks smooth.
I'm probably just going to get a 4GB 960, then upgrade my GPU in less than 2 years (official game should be out by then)
My 4690k will have to be enough.
Mouse flight controls fixed by players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoICPuPLV4I&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoICPuPLV4I&feature=youtu.be
Zalusithix
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If true, it's hardly surprising. Soliciting/promoting a product that you're involved with on another company's forums is never going to go down well.
This I like. Now RSI just needs to implement this and enforce it on everyone and come up with a secondary thing for gimbal weapons (example being automatic aiming, like in Elite: Dangerous).
I dont know if thats really a fix. I need to try it, but i think that introducing input lag to mouse controls is not really good solution.
Dictator93
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OH man, I really want that picture of Ben (WITH LTI!).
MouseCommander?
More like LesnickCommander!
That was stupid of him to do.
He's apparently unbanned again.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5229550/#Comment_5229550
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5229550/#Comment_5229550
Dictator93
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Erin Roberts is a RtV right now.
... and downgrade thrusters so we don't get instantaneous acceleretion anymore...
Dictator93
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Travis Day is leaving
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mercenar1e
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I can't tell if the design document on civilian passenger transports is a joke.
The bit about how they want to make the same set of animations work in first and third person has me worried. The way I understand it, developers don't bother with that because it's really fucking difficult. Could someone explain the benefit of animating your game this way if it takes even longer to implement?
The bit about how they want to make the same set of animations work in first and third person has me worried. The way I understand it, developers don't bother with that because it's really fucking difficult. Could someone explain the benefit of animating your game this way if it takes even longer to implement?
mercenar1e
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they're aiming for realistic as possible i guess? the only game that i can think of right now that does something similar is ARMA but it took them years to perfect. the obvious problem here is they tied the modules together and they cant release another Arena Commander update without disabling the FPS portion. how much money this mistake will cost them.. they removed P2P downloads right? are they using Amazon servers or something?
another interesting bit from the letter.. seems like the HOTAS users are the reason why they aren't releasing anything less than perfect.
Zalusithix
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So, which one of you fuckers are going to buy a starfairer for the glory of the gaf-clan. ?
Pretty sure you mean the new Starliner. The Starfarer is a bit old to randomly come up. ;P That said, nope, not here. $400 for passenger transit? Only the most hardcore are going to shell out for that.
Whoops, i'm an idiot. Sorry.
Zalusithix
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Plenty of the traditional bitching on the ship sale page. "Too expensive! Stop ripping people off!" "Looks too much like the MM!" "Stop focusing on ship sales!" Some things never change.
Xane
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Accurate depiction of my RSI Forum experience.
Sounds like every official forum in my experience.
And the brain drain continues.
That probably means his wife is leaving customer service, too. Who will help Ben's wife with all those tickets now??
[edit] About the FPS problems ... I wonder if they're now regretting going with Illfonic as their main FPS studio? Sounds like they produced a turd sandwich.
Biggest problem Star Citizen was hiring all those cheap studios. They were fine for the first scope of the game they were aiming for, but it's now all the more apparant that they are inefficient and need a lot of time to rework stuff. They have the money to spend on better devs, but I guess it's now too late to ditch those teams.
I have nothing against Illfonic and the procedural animations they are working on is very hard task, but CIG should just buy Arkane Studios instead.
The Dear Leader
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I've been losing interest in the game over the last few months, I haven't been keeping up with the release schedules or updates, I feel like it's the best way to do it with all the delaying and such. Once the FPS module comes out I hope that get's me back into it, or even when the Freelancer becomes AC ready.
Well, I dunno, they ditched the team in Mexico City (even though I thought they did good work?) and they ditched Void Alpha in Los Angeles (a small, fairly unproductive team, although it was headed up by a Wing Commander veteran). They kept Behaviour, but they seem to do good work. The only other team they've hired rather than set up themselves has been Illfonic, and perhaps with them it's like you said: They're in too deep to cut the cord now.
There haven't been any updates since mid-April, I think. That's addressed in Chris Roberts' latest letter: They couldn't release Arena Commander updates because they've been tied to Star Marine in the same branch, and Star Marine isn't working correctly.
Dubbedinenglish
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Again it feels like they completely miss the point of the complaints about the controls. It's not that was released broken, it is pre-Alpha it probably will be broken. The issue it was stayed broken for over a year and have not heard anything concrete on the direction on how they want the ships to play. The game plays right now completely different to what is pitched as, and that is the only info to go on. CR will go out of his way like this to address the FPS update but there is a general silence or vague non-answers when it comes to ship controls. No one is asking for everything to be perfect from Day -1, just that there is a clear vision communicated to the backers on something as important on as core gameplay.
? What exactly do You mean by that?
Thought i'd post this here for people. Letter from the Chairman about the FPS problems.
I saw you guys mention it, but i didn't see the article posted, i'm a fucking idiot. sorry.
Dictator93
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Well at leas tthis week we have an FPS update post and the monthly report.
I hope we get to learn abit more about F42 in Germany!
I hope we get to learn abit more about F42 in Germany!
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