Mister_Bubbles
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I think you can - that is a concept art of the backer-exclusive skin they are making for it, so by extension I guess that means there will at the least be different styles you can have.
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Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: Hangar Module
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I think you can - that is a concept art of the backer-exclusive skin they are making for it, so by extension I guess that means there will at the least be different styles you can have.
Before the delay I would have said the same. But you can't have them say that it was delayed because it has to be good and more polished than a typical "Alpha"; and say that we shouldn't even expect it to be fun.
I rather agree with this. I'm all for keeping lowered expectations in general, but 40 MILLION DOLLARS is a huge amount of money, and if people are throwing money at something of that magnitude, I think the company should have a degree of accountability.
I know "eye candy" of some sort is nice to look at, but I strongly suspect that there are people who contributed to the $40 million who DO know something about programming, or games, or engines, who would be happy to see some of the other details as well. It's a bit insulting to everyone's intelligence otherwise.
In particular, the thing to think about is if $10 million gets you XYZ stuff, and maybe it's buggy and has bad performance and maybe that's ok because it's beta...haven't there been quite a few indie developers who have produced more polished things for far less money, possibly even in less time? Granted, maybe a lot of the funds are going to producing assets which will not apply to early builds. Still, my opinion is that people should be careful about excusing too much unless there is a high degree of transparency about the internal development and priority process.
Shrike Alvaron
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I don't think it not being fun will be a problem, I think what will cause people to be disappointed will be the scope of it. The DFM is intended to be rather arcadish: complete with getting points for killing ships and rapid respawns. Meanwhile, the community is all about making the game as realistic and immersive as possible. You can bet that there will be a torrent of threads on the forum (as with any new news...) complaining about how the DFM is pretty much an arcade game and that's not what they pledged for etc etc. Hopefully that'll be nothing more than a vocal minority.
Sure, the experience in its current stage could be great fun, I just don't see the appeal of letting your hopes wander: if it's great then enjoy it, if not then listen to what CIG has said about it, tell them what you think about it in its current state, and how you think it could be better. It's my feelings most people's expectations (for anything, not just SC really) are ridiculous, and when I look at the official forums I see those feelings holding true. While such people are the vocal minority, it's the loudest voices that everyone hears in any situation.
Also the DFM really is an arcade experience, its system is to be a sort of VR/arena mode for the PU.
aY227
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I think that anyone who is sensible and follows 10 to the chairman, most streams and news knows where the money are going and what they've already done.I rather agree with this. I'm all for keeping lowered expectations in general, but 40 MILLION DOLLARS is a huge amount of money, and if people are throwing money at something of that magnitude, I think the company should have a degree of accountability.
I know "eye candy" of some sort is nice to look at, but I strongly suspect that there are people who contributed to the $40 million who DO know something about programming, or games, or engines, who would be happy to see some of the other details as well. It's a bit insulting to everyone's intelligence otherwise.
In particular, the thing to think about is if $10 million gets you XYZ stuff, and maybe it's buggy and has bad performance and maybe that's ok because it's beta...haven't there been quite a few indie developers who have produced more polished things for far less money, possibly even in less time? Granted, maybe a lot of the funds are going to producing assets which will not apply to early builds. Still, my opinion is that people should be careful about excusing too much unless there is a high degree of transparency about the internal development and priority process.
People who dont and could be disappointed with DFM, should not even try it and just wait for Squadron 42 release. But i also think that the same people will be blown away at the end of the day, because they did know that they even planned of features they will release.
The reason why we dont have more hangar updates and DFM was delayed is because
people are expecting polish, which is the exactly opposite of the first Chris Robert premise of releasing tons of pre-alpha i alpha content for gamers to review.
Its a little shame that CR cant release more now, but at the end of the day, its all about final product, not the journey of making it.
But it's also the core gameplay loop for a big portion of the players. So it really, really has to be fun and engaging. Even on its own.
CitizenVectron
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It should be, but it probably won't be right off the bat. Most alphas are not that fun for long periods of time because they lack important features.
When dogfighting launches I expect it to have lasers/machine guns and maybe simply heatseeking missiles. But I don't expect ECM or electronic warfare in general, manned turrets, shared targeting intel for a squadron (in fact I don't even expect team play at first), etc.
Basically it's going to be between 2-8 single-pilot fighters with machine guns and lasers in a small area, at least at first. Then as the months go on they will most likely add team play, more weapons, more ships, larger battles, etc. Exactly what you'd expect in an alpha.
makeitawkward
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So does anyone know when the dogfighting is available? I spent 75 without even thinking about it as I know I'm going to want this game but I'm ready for some actual gameplay.
spindoctor
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It's expected mid to late April.
Looks like SC will be using an AI System developed by a company named Kythera:
http://www.kythera.ai/case-studies/star-citizen
It seems to be a pretty good system, there are also videos with brand new footage on their site (follow the "read more" links), so watch them!
http://www.kythera.ai/case-studies/star-citizen
It seems to be a pretty good system, there are also videos with brand new footage on their site (follow the "read more" links), so watch them!
Is this for sale?
Can't seem to find it anywhere. Looks like the "enemy" ship from the first trailer.
I really really love the design!
The best part is how they stopped showing those embarrassing fan videos.
The Scythe? No, it's not for sale. That was one of the very few truly limited ships. Only ~500 were sold. You have to capture it in-game if you want one.
Haha, yeah. Some of those were really cringeworthy.
Dictator93
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What was wrong with fan videos and showing em?
People are excited... nothing wrong with that. Obviously though, taking the place of other content would be bad.
Nothing, so long as they're good. See Valve's community for examples of good fan videos. The stuff on Wingman's Hangar was the very definition of waja.
Anyway, fan videos will still be shown. The quality bar has gone way up is all.
Dictator93
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CitizenVectron
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What time does the NGS episode upload, usually?
daylight savings time confuses this, but 10ftC and TNGS unlock around 22:00 gmt
e: added broadcast schedule to media section of the OP
The dogfighting module should be out in April and will be unveiled on the 10th of April at the PAX East.
EdReedFan20
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I wonder if the 50 Million Funding Goal will be something particularly massive. That would be such an impressive milestone for a crowd-funding product, I hope they would properly celebrate it.
Shrike Alvaron
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I voted Eris as I feel like most people are going to vote 3Dingo (my favorite, though the thrusters are too tiny) so I may as well vote for my second favorite instead to ensure it moves on.
CitizenVectron
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I voted Eris, with Tallon being my second choice. What held me back from Tallon was that the back end of the ship felt too flimsy, it needed stronger connectors.
I am not a fan of 3Dingo's redesign, the back end doesn't match the front at all. The front is big and blocky and strong, and the back is intricate and smaller. It needs to be re-weighted in terms of where things are. It's better than the first phase, but I don't like it.
I am not a fan of 3Dingo's redesign, the back end doesn't match the front at all. The front is big and blocky and strong, and the back is intricate and smaller. It needs to be re-weighted in terms of where things are. It's better than the first phase, but I don't like it.
DavionStriker
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I am so ridiculously excited for this game, I am thinking of getting a joystick for the upcoming dogfighting module. I may even play back through Wing Commander 2 and 4...
Looking at this one: Mad Catz F.L.Y.5 Stick
Any feedback?
Looking at this one: Mad Catz F.L.Y.5 Stick
Any feedback?
I am so ridiculously excited for this game, I am thinking of getting a joystick for the upcoming dogfighting module. I may even play back through Wing Commander 2 and 4...
Looking at this one: Mad Catz F.L.Y.5 Stick
Any feedback?
It's a cool looking stick but alas not a good one.
I've also did some search since I needed one and the Mad Catz stick had a lot negative reviews.
There is a good thread on the official forum, where they compare different sticks and HOTAS:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...ist-of-fan-recommended-joysticks-and-hotas/p1
The consensus is that the Thrustmaster T16000M is the best flight stick which you can get for little money. I have bought that stick because of that recommendation and I couldn't be happier.
DavionStriker
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Great, thanks for the feedback! I will check it out. I had the Thrustmaster classic stick (3000 maybe?) back in my Tie Fighter / Wing Commander prime. Great product but I would wear out the springs. Those sticks costed something like $90, which was a lot to a 13 year old kid.
DavionStriker
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Forgot to say too that the Thrustmaster stick will definitely result in less ridicule from my wife for owning such a ridiculous stick like that Mad Catz.
Well, you won't have problems with the strings with this one.
This stick also uses the Hall sensors which are very precise and you normally see them only in such pricey HOTAS sets as the Warthog.
LESS THAN 5000 ALPHA SLOTS LEFT.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com
In case anyone is interested. The number of available slots has been decreasing by 100-200 slots a day. I could image that it will speed up towards the last ones.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com
In case anyone is interested. The number of available slots has been decreasing by 100-200 slots a day. I could image that it will speed up towards the last ones.
Apparently there's actually about 20k slots left. Alpha slots are reportedly disappearing at more the than the observable ~150/day as CIG has been feeding back unused slots, as instead of considering each package to take up a slot, now each account with an alpha access package takes up a slot.
At the current rate they should run out just before the DFM is shown off at PAX, but they'll probably add more slots a bit after the DFM goes live, because why not if it's all working? Perhaps even removing the slots system would be a good move post DFM.
At the current rate they should run out just before the DFM is shown off at PAX, but they'll probably add more slots a bit after the DFM goes live, because why not if it's all working? Perhaps even removing the slots system would be a good move post DFM.
No one has played the game yet. Give it a few months.
I'd be surprised if mouse/keyboard ended up with a competitive advantage, though.
Oculus Rift coupled with a Holotable and voice commands.
Considering mouse control would be emulating a joystick instead of raw mouse movement translating to ship movement, there shouldn't be an advantage, which I'm pretty sure is what CIG wants for any control system - to not have being successful in combat tied to control schemes alone. Exception may be the Rift and TrackIR which frees up needing headlook from a stick/mouse and makes that aspect a lot easier to control.
Shrike Alvaron
Member
I don't think anyone can really comment on what control scheme will be the BEST yet (though many insist it'll be HOTAS), but I wouldn't worry about kb/m or gamepad being terrible compared to joysticks since they want to reach as large an audience as possible. It is safe to say that TrackIR, Oculus Rift, or something else that gives headtracking will give a significant advantage over not having it though.
kutthoat5150
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one of the devs said this months jump point will focus on the retaliator and from the sound of it, really increased in size to be a lot larger than the stella. Can't wait to read it!
If you become a subscriber now, will previous issues of Jump Point be available to you as well?
Shrike Alvaron
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Yes, subscribers have access to all previous jump point issues and all the exclusive art in the vault. Been considering re-subscribing at the Centurion level after I ended my year-long Imperator subscription, but I just can't decide if it'd be worth it to me now. I guess I did just get a small raise...
I believe so. It gives full accress to Jump Point and the art archives.
VisceralBowl
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Messing around with re-lighting the RSI Constellation without those dumb ambient lights. I like it so far.
Very nice.
CIG got a new artist that specifically works on lighting, I can't wait to see some of his work on this.