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Star Fox Zero & Guard - Review Thread
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Yes, 7 is. Like in academics. You want to be even more amazed? Mediocre doesn't equal bad. Wow!
wonderful103
Member
Good news. It's never going to happen. And to top it off, it will be retained and refined going forward thanks to VR. Enjoy!
Welp, Nintendo is about to go on livestream/twitch for its Star Fox Zero The Battle Begins Special anyway.
https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo
Is that in about a half hour or am hour and a half?
DownGrader
Member
I wonder if people who are all in for motion controls (myself included) will be as heavily against some weird-ass control scheme from the future as the "traditionalists" against motion controls.
I played games on a PC with a mouse since the early childhood, my first portable gaming device was touch-screen PDA, and my first consoles were motion-enabled. I am sorry, but I see some motion control haters as old farts.
I played games on a PC with a mouse since the early childhood, my first portable gaming device was touch-screen PDA, and my first consoles were motion-enabled. I am sorry, but I see some motion control haters as old farts.
Kid Icarus: Uprising, The Wonderful 101, Splatoon and now Star Fox: Zero. Every game with an unconventional control scheme will be critisized for it because of people who don't have the patience to learn it. Either Nintendo has to stop to experiment with it's games in terms of controls (I hope they don't) or we have to become more open minded and at least try something instead of reject it right away.
For myself I decided to choose the former. And I'm happy about, otherwise I would have skipped one of the best games Nintendo (and Platinum) made during the last four years.
And yes, I've already played Star Fox Zero and completed almost every stage with all unlockables. Sure, it's not as good as the games mentioned above (at least when it comes to my taste), but it's still a pretty decent game. Just give it a chance. That's all.
For myself I decided to choose the former. And I'm happy about, otherwise I would have skipped one of the best games Nintendo (and Platinum) made during the last four years.
And yes, I've already played Star Fox Zero and completed almost every stage with all unlockables. Sure, it's not as good as the games mentioned above (at least when it comes to my taste), but it's still a pretty decent game. Just give it a chance. That's all.
I'm an old fart, but I don't see myself hatin' on any particular control method...
...except for space sims. I'd like to utilize HOTAS if possible. But like people who love car sims and steering wheels, it's more of an immersion thing.
3PM PT, which I think is 6PM EST.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Looks like Star Fox reviews are "I GUESS IT'S PRETTY FINE."
Actually, a lot of my first PC games used the keyboard and a text parser, and I always resented how you couldn't just type "pick nose" or "suck blue frog" in once point-and-click adventures rolled around. I still hate playing games with the mouse, except strategy games and sim. Yes, even FPS.
Neoleo2143
Member
Probably, we all age to that point where we see certain aspects of life as traditional. On the other hand, the world moves much more faster than ever and changes seem to happen so fast.
I'm particularly fond on unusual things sometimes even if they're not of quality, because of sheer novelty, newness is a good thing to have in my opinion.
But innovation doesn't come from different for the sake of being different most of the time, it usually comes from solving existing issues. Which is why I'm frustrated with the lack of Gyro control options in most PS4 games, because that's an innovation that corrects an issue with dual analog precision and speed.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
All three games reviewed well, and the vast majority of Splatoon players find the gyro controls to be the superior control scheme. Every review I've read about Star Fox Zero says that there are big flaws outside of just the control scheme.
I really wanted this to do well, so trust me when I say that I'm not just saying this to stomp on the game.
It is.
joecanada
Member
Not sure if you're kidding but the reason media shouldn't and mostly don't use academic scale is because academic scales are all over the place. 7/10 could be a B in many programs and so would be " good".
But regardless academics are not related as being less than a certain level of competency in school is pointless and therefore auto fail, whereas a 5/10 or average game may be worth a bargain buy.
School scale basically only uses 5 or above. There's no ultra fail
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
The complaint about the lenght is still really weird. I think people not liking the controls makes more sense than that one.
8 is mediocre, 7 is disappointing, 6 is bad
I'll do a stream tomorrow around Noon PT, or possibly later tonight.
They would need to redesign much of the game if they were to take out gamepad elements based on the impressions I've seen in this thread
I don't use "translated" academic scores. I've been through school using this kind of rating. 6 and 7 are mediocre. Or average if you want. The same is with games, if you like it or not. Good games are rated 8 and above. Average games are somewhere around 7. Bad games are 6 and below. The games rating scale is even more drastic than the academic ones.
You are free to disagree with a rating, though. You are even free to totally ignore the common sense of games ratings and use your own scale. But that's not the scale on which the media rates them. Everything can be twisted through one's own interpretation. I had colleagues who considered a 6 being a great grade for some disciplines.
Yeah, complaints about length for an arcade game is odd. They're never meant to be long. Then again, there were also still complaints about length with some of Platinum's games despite the content and endless replayability.
There's no appeasing those types that complain about length.
I don't agree. I consider 7 to be good. The definition of mediocre is:
If you look at many of the actual reviewers rating systems then they also agree with this. For example, on IGN a 7 is Good, a 6 is Okay, and a 5 is Mediocre. Another example is Gamespot where a 7 is Good, a 6 is Fair, and a 5 is Mediocre.
The reality is that you don't see that many arcade games in today's gaming world outside mobile and indies. Or maybe now in VR. And while there are people who still enjoy them, there is a disconnect between arcade games and modern gaming. That's why you don't see modern version of Pong being succesfully released.
You're completely free to do that. But that doesn't say anything about the game itself, it talks only about your personal value scale.
Why yes I can. Mr. McElroy failed at fishing in the game Nier. You see there is a marker on the map telling you where to go. He payed no attention and was fishing elsewhere. So he could not catch the fish. He quit the game and refused to review it.
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I didn't say that KI:U, W101 and Splatoon got bad reviews. But the controls were one of the major issues reviewers had with them in the first place.
At least in the case of Splatoon players all around the world adapted the controls pretty quick (myself included). I'm living in Germany and the majority of reviewers here have one major complaint when it comes to SF0: the controls. This may be the reason why I shared my thought with you.
It's just not my scale though. The reviewers who are handing out these scores are giving a score based on the their perceived quality of the game. If you look at the rating system for many of these reviewers they denote 7 as good. A few more examples:
ArcadeSushi - 7 is good
GamingTrend - 7 is good
Polygon - 7 is good
Jimquisition - 7 is good
Destructoid - 7 is good (they even begin their reviewing guidelines with "Average starts at five, not seven")
Seeing 7 as good is not something odd and is actually considered accurate by a majority of the reviewers who also consider mediocre a lower rating than 7.
Geeze...
DecoReturns
Member
How was that tree house thing for this game?
Because top 1000 movies are at or above 78 while top 1000 games are at or above 86. Top 2000 movies are at or above 72, top 2000 games are at or above 83. Top 3000 movies are at or above 67, top 3000 games are at or above 80.
Out of 13098 games rated on Metacritic, Star Fox Zero is currently at position 6385. That's as average as you can get.
He also refused to change his stance once people called him out on it.
So it isn't just about score as an objective academic measure but the prevalence of how the best of each medium is perceived? That seems like it's overthinking it too much honestly.
Vampirolol
Member
This is where the game feels different from 64. On one hand you still have to charge shot enemies to get more points but shooting at their broken pieces will give you even more points. This way, aiming feels more important than ever, while taking damage is less punishing since you can't broke your wings anymore. Not that the game is easy, but the gameplay style is different, I think it's more modern.
lensoftruth
Member
Not enough fetch quests and cutscenes for a higher score?
Feels more like a refusal to do their job and then just getting snarky.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
My mistake. Misunderstood your argument. Sorry. :|
I'm not disputing the quality of Star Fox Zero, I'm disputing this
Which I (and the media sites I listed plus many more not listed) do not agree with.
metalslimer
Member
Or I don't know...people didn't enjoy it as much others?
If you have a professor that gives great grades too easy, the value of the grade is diminished. It's not overthinking. The system might be objective in principle, but very much depends on how it is used. The truth is that the gaming media is very lenient professor. Which makes 7 an even more mediocre rating despite what the professor says.
Statistics makes gaming media and you wrong in labeling. Gauss would have a word with you.