BattleMonkey
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EasyTGT said:
Is there a single button that is doing this because whenever I press the portable cover deploy, it does just that, even if I'm next to natural cover. Never have had it roll me across the room.
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Is there a single button that is doing this because whenever I press the portable cover deploy, it does just that, even if I'm next to natural cover. Never have had it roll me across the room.
MaddenNFL64
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BattleMonkey said:
Oh, so it's not like that.
Well I liked it when I read it lol, but I guess flipping around & being put in the opposite direction would suck.
I still want everything instant cast. Press snipe, portable cover is deployed automatically & you fire off your ability. No channeled timer. The act of getting into cover should act as the timer. Just balance the damage from there.
BattleMonkey
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MaddenNFL64 said:
Well I dunno dropping into cover takes about a second right now. The port cover is practically instant, it doesn't add a whole lot to the channel time of the sniper shots and such. Only time it takes any real time is when your character will make a big role across a room but that is still fairly quick.
In flashpoints right now even though you gotta be on the move, I instant drop the port cover, and take my sniper shot and just move. Did it take longer to deploy it before? Some people were acting like it takes forever to deploy cover
MaddenNFL64
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BattleMonkey said:
Do a test. Doesn't have to be in a flashpoint, just find some scrub mobs to punish.
deploy cover, fire off some abilities, but keep moving spot to spot over & over. See if you can viably keep moving around, spot up with your cover, do damage, move, then take cover again, do damage etc. Maybe even do it at point blank range, even if thats goofy. Just keep moving around a target, going into cover using an attack, get out, repeat.
I want to play a cover class, but it needs to be viable speed wise. Like I have to be able to attack in cover with enough speed to get out & deploy again like I was a caster setting up a channeled attack, at least.
BattleMonkey
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MaddenNFL64 said:
Well thats not how I play so not sure, but the class does not seem to be about always sticking to cover as many of your abilities cover a range of encounter ranges. You have a lot of utility in various situations. In group situations, a tank character should be holding aggro which from what I've played in flashpoints I can often just park myself in cover and just shoot sniper shots without having to move outside of boss fights which often force you to move once in a while.
In solo situations you have benefits of having companion characters that draw aggro for you so you can park and snipe. You also have group stun abilities thanks to flash bangs and up close stuns as well to help escape. Even without sniper shots you have up close heavy damage dealing and other dps abilities that don't require the use of cover.
MaddenNFL64
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Oh for sure I would play your way, but if shit hits the fan, or if I got into a dynamic situation, I wonder if it would be as viable a move as say force lightning (a channeled ability).
We're both rooted to the ground while its channeled, but would I be as mobile afterwords is my thought. And could I drop back into cover & snipe as quickly as a SI could run around then toss another force lightning.
Just crap I have swimming in my head about the cover classes.
We're both rooted to the ground while its channeled, but would I be as mobile afterwords is my thought. And could I drop back into cover & snipe as quickly as a SI could run around then toss another force lightning.
Just crap I have swimming in my head about the cover classes.
Won said:
Agreed. Music to some peoples ears. Like a gunshot wound to the head for me. Ive seen companies try this in MMO's, never works out for the better. Its hard enough leveling things like classes and professions when you give weight to the flexibility and adaptability of one class/profession over another. It becomes that much more difficult to balance things when you don't. A part of balance is weighing things against one another, there is literally no way around that.
Just snatching out variables, for the sake of doing so is different, but Im not convinced its better in any way. It would likely work better in a genre that didn't have a foundation in repetition the way that MMO's do. No matter how much you enjoy a certain style of gameplay, in an MMO, time goes on, and things aren't as fresh anymore. Thats where the issue of value and balance come in. This is going to either be a seesaw, or its not going to be nearly as accurate in reality as they are presenting it. Time will tell.
BattleMonkey
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MaddenNFL64 said:
Would be hard to compare without playing both I suppose. Would have to compare their other abilities and their utility. The sniper focused AC from what I remember has it that you can spec to get bonuses to def for a while after leaving cover
Cipherr said:
Seems pretty normal really. There is not a single MMO out even many years after launch that doesn't have seesawing going on. "Balance" is a never ending issue with MMO classes, things will change.
Fox the Sly
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MaddenNFL64 said:
Yeah, they (Samurai) became SE's pet job for awhile. Dancer seems to have taken that place though.
Parn said:
Yeah, I started in 2004 (Monk main), tough times back then. At least we had King Ranperre's Tomb, and of course, imps/Assaults/Salvage when ToAU released. Good times after that lol.
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So as not to be off-topic (too much), I still haven't decided what class to roll. I usually go with a Monk or Rogue-like dps class, but healers will propably be in low supply. Hmmm.
BattleMonkey
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EasyTGT said:
When did they change that? I was playing 2 nights ago and there was two cover abilities. A take cover button on the hotbar, and then a deploy portable cover button. They just changed it again? How do you even deploy portable cover if you got button to deploy it now?
* Edit: Ok yea now I see it on the forum. Take a break from the beta for a few days and things go crazy! *
MaddenNFL64
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I think its on the right track that way. Just have to figure out a way to keep the player from rolling into cover thats not in the intended direction.
Friday update is up. They seem to be doing something new now. Thought it was weird at first but I kinda like it.
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/choose-your-side-jedi-knight-vs-bounty-hunter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4cLHU3Yd0
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/choose-your-side-jedi-knight-vs-bounty-hunter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4cLHU3Yd0
ThatObviousUser
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Sort of like Deadliest Warrior but without any resolution.
HarryDemeanor
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We already know who wins anyway.Andrex said:
Bounty Hunter.
BattleMonkey
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syko de4d said:
Yea that is.
ThatObviousUser
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HarryDemeanor said:
Going by the films all Bounty Hunters are good for are getting thrown into Sarlacc Pits.
Jedi Knights meanwhile can take down whole empires.
BattleMonkey
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Andrex said:
Or being complete idiots to the obvious and getting owned by battle droids
Giolon
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The answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBsNc_KM5MIAndrex said:
Rebuttal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjnD6NdC3e4Giolon said:
BattleMonkey
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dorkimoe said:
Is the launcher not starting at all or is it just crashing once you start? There was an issue with the launchers for some people that required reinstalling it.
Retrofluxed
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Just got back from my buddy's house and played it (or watched it being played) for about 8 hours.
Best part - I'm impressed
Worst part - The damn game isn't out yet
Best part - I'm impressed
Worst part - The damn game isn't out yet
Where can I find the cutscenes and instanced dungeons designed around a progressing storyline in world of warcraft? What part of wow makes you feel like you're playing a single player game progressing the storyline of your individual character that just happens to have other people around?Sinatar said:
Both games have fetch quests and skill trees with a similar combat system but I don't really understand people who consider it entirely a wow-clone or a star wars skinned wow
Sinatar said:
Speaking as someone who's actually in the beta test and actually plays both games, this game plays nothing like World of Warcraft. You couldn't have possibly made it past level 5 and came to this conclusion.
Fonds said:
There aren't that many jumping puzzles in WoW actually. I wish there were more. Now there's a lot of bosses with jumping mechanics... (Fuck you, Lord Rhyolith!)
I just did Taral V. Shit was so epic. It took us like 3-4 hours and it's pretty much two big flashpoints in one. Ending was great and gave me multiple orgasms.
I would consider that flashpoint to be as large as a big raid in WoW. Maybe not as hard, but in terms of environments and amount of bosses. Throughout the whole thing there were at least 8-10 bosses.
I would consider that flashpoint to be as large as a big raid in WoW. Maybe not as hard, but in terms of environments and amount of bosses. Throughout the whole thing there were at least 8-10 bosses.
The game is a lot different than it gives off in videos.
It's really hard to understand until you actually get your hands on it though.
It still really feels like it's lacking a lot of polish though, which I hope will happen before the release. They've got plenty of time to fix that though. Just a lot of little tweaks everywhere that will culminate in some nice changes to the overall game.
It's not that it feels half-baked either, it just feels like all new MMOs do, and ultimately, I think the team there will come around to all of this.
It's really hard to understand until you actually get your hands on it though.
It still really feels like it's lacking a lot of polish though, which I hope will happen before the release. They've got plenty of time to fix that though. Just a lot of little tweaks everywhere that will culminate in some nice changes to the overall game.
It's not that it feels half-baked either, it just feels like all new MMOs do, and ultimately, I think the team there will come around to all of this.
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