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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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Morn said:
And unlike WoW this game isn't just grinding to the next instance with hopes of more loot. The story is a lot of content you didn't get in WoW. The game has an entire single play content end game world. When you hit endgame in WoW you can raid or instance or raid or raid or raid some more. You have jack shit to do besides that.
MaddenNFL64
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I bet the paths aren't too different because the Sith Inquisitor story is quite like the typical Bioware story so far. I also can't understand how the story can be like KOTOR 3-4-5 because by level26, the story hadn't progressed THAT far. I'd say I had encountered 2 points that would be considered important.gatti-man said:
And I mean making each character would be a huge time sink.
gatti-man said:
I'd say that having to have 2 characters at the level cap just to see all the dungeons makes SWTOR look bad. Even worse if the characters have to be on opposite factions, since that makes sharing resources between the two difficult. Half the fun in starting an alt is that you have a main character sugar daddy that can send your alt tons of money and items to make the level grind smoother.
Saying that people will want to play both sides unlike WoW is a bit presumptuous to be honest. Not everyone's going to want to grind out two characters on opposite factions if the content is fulfilling enough for one. In fact, saying that people will want to play both characters is almost an example of the lack of endgame content SWTOR has at the moment.
Its awesome that it has a great single player story, but no one's going to pay $15 a month to play KOTOR with no endgame content. Might as well just pay the $20 for KOTOR and play that instead.
Its awesome that it has a great single player story, but no one's going to pay $15 a month to play KOTOR with no endgame content. Might as well just pay the $20 for KOTOR and play that instead.
gatti-man said:
You will want to see both sides at least once. However a huge majority of the quests on both sides are shared between all classes on a specific faction. The only quests that are not, are story missions. Which make up a relatively small part of the total quests you do while leveling.
Deadly said:
I fully intend to play through all 8 characters solely for the story. It may take me a great while as I will be mainly focusing on two characters as my mains for the game, but I greatly enjoyed what story I got to see from getting 4 different characters to 10-ish for my beta weekend time.
As far as people comparing it to KOTOR 3-5, they have to be including all the stories for all the characters. From my experience going to 16 with one character and 13 with another, there was only a handful (4-6) of story missions for the 3 planets I visited and the rest was stuff that was shared content amongst all classes. It was a nice to see some NPC's attitude and dialogue to be a bit different depending on the class (Sith Warrior VS Bounty Hunter) though.
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Darklord said:
He's a Mandalorian, the same race as Jango Fett whose DNA created the clones. Of course he's going to look similar.
Here is something interesting
http://darthhater.com/2011/10/14/nycc-2011-qa-panel-live-blog/
It sounds like they are listening about the item mod change.
http://darthhater.com/2011/10/14/nycc-2011-qa-panel-live-blog/
It sounds like they are listening about the item mod change.
MaddenNFL64
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It does seem silly to put that as a negative. People are excited about that aspect. It is true though, you cannot please everyone, nor should you try to.
Bioware will win support with people who like what they're offering, people who hate it will move on.
Bioware will win support with people who like what they're offering, people who hate it will move on.
MaddenNFL64 said:
Very true. The argument though is where's the staying power of a subscription based MMO? After you reach the endgame with one character what do you do? Just start another one? What makes that unique from the offline KOTOR games that don't require a subscription?
I personally think its a fun game, but I'm unsure of its staying power. MMOs are all about the social interaction between players. When there's not much content to promote that interaction, it doesn't really give much incentive to keep a subscription. There are tons of people who will buy it. Its a Star Wars game made by Bioware. How many will keep paying for it though, that's the argument.
Lord Phol
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How is end-game focused PvE and PvP planets, PvP Warzones, Operations, hard mode flashpoints and crafting not plenty of end-game content?
WoW's managed to get by with just that for years and most "recent" MMOs have barely even had that (Conan and Warhammer comes to my mind).
What is it people are looking for when they talk end-game? I'm actually curious.
WoW's managed to get by with just that for years and most "recent" MMOs have barely even had that (Conan and Warhammer comes to my mind).
What is it people are looking for when they talk end-game? I'm actually curious.
Retrofluxed
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Not enough group content, we're really going there?
Plus all the 2+ and 4+ heroic quests on each planet. There may be things to bitch about, but group content isn't one of them.
AlterSWTOR Poster said:
Plus all the 2+ and 4+ heroic quests on each planet. There may be things to bitch about, but group content isn't one of them.
7?
"Q: How many of the 15 flashpoints are shared with both factionss? A: Ohlen: About a dozen shared"
http://darthhater.com/2011/10/14/nycc-2011-qa-panel-live-blog/
About a dozen > 7
"Q: How many of the 15 flashpoints are shared with both factionss? A: Ohlen: About a dozen shared"
http://darthhater.com/2011/10/14/nycc-2011-qa-panel-live-blog/
About a dozen > 7
-bakalhau-
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So is it 7 per faction or 12 per faction? Because 12 is much, much better 
For 50 levels... I can't say it's bad.
12 satisfies me.
Edit: Oh and ALL flashpoints available as hard mode is fantastic too.
For 50 levels... I can't say it's bad. 12 satisfies me.
Edit: Oh and ALL flashpoints available as hard mode is fantastic too.
cartoon_soldier
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syko de4d said:
I believe 12 Shared + 3 faction specific = 15 flashpoints for each faction.
Last Hearth
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All the Heroic quests are group dungeons as well.
Some of the earlier ones are quite small and can be done in 10-15 minutes, but many of the later ones are multiple hour affairs.
Some of the earlier ones are quite small and can be done in 10-15 minutes, but many of the later ones are multiple hour affairs.
Morn twists facts to help his argument thus creating confusion.Won said:
This isn't wow people. The flashpoints have a defined enemy. It isn't fight magical trees or some random boss. Things have more meaning than in wow. I also can't imagine someone who enjoys this game wouldn't want to play both sides. There are ATLEAST two compelling classes on each side. For me its trooper/jedi and sith/bounty hunter. So I will have 4 lvl 50s.
MisterAnderson
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Is it common-place for Amazon shipping to not have "launch day shipping" for their games this far out from launch day? Because that is not a shipping option for the Collector's Edition at this point... in fact with standard delivery option selected it says that I should expect to receive the game from the 27th to the 29th...
My paranoid self just called Amazon customer service and asked if they had any idea if the option for launch day shipping might be added as we approach the release date, and she said she'd check into it real quick. A short while later she returned telling me that unfortunately this item won't be received by Amazon until the 20th so there won't be a launch day shipping option; it will be shipped on the 21st. Which is pretty fucking terrible.
I THINK this won't matter as long as we have early access, because it's my understanding that there is supposedly a "grace period" that allows you to continue playing without a cd-key for at least a few days using the early access client. But still...this whole Amazon shipping thing is making me very uneasy. I could always fork up the extra bucks for 1 day shipping but the damn thing is expensive enough.
My paranoid self just called Amazon customer service and asked if they had any idea if the option for launch day shipping might be added as we approach the release date, and she said she'd check into it real quick. A short while later she returned telling me that unfortunately this item won't be received by Amazon until the 20th so there won't be a launch day shipping option; it will be shipped on the 21st. Which is pretty fucking terrible.
I THINK this won't matter as long as we have early access, because it's my understanding that there is supposedly a "grace period" that allows you to continue playing without a cd-key for at least a few days using the early access client. But still...this whole Amazon shipping thing is making me very uneasy. I could always fork up the extra bucks for 1 day shipping but the damn thing is expensive enough.
MisterAnderson
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Morn said:
So the customer service lady I just spoke to straight up lied then? Lol...wtf.
FieryBalrog
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I find it quite loltastic that the NDA is still up 2 months before release.Won said:
Take some notes from the DotA 2/Diablo 3 betas.
MaddenNFL64
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