Outdoor Miner
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Freido28 said:
It won't do it alone. WoW will lose 80% of its subs once the triple tandem of Diablo III, SWTOR, and Guild Wars 2 all hit next year.
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It won't do it alone. WoW will lose 80% of its subs once the triple tandem of Diablo III, SWTOR, and Guild Wars 2 all hit next year.
Freido28 said:
That's because WoW takes all of their competitors' best features and incorporates them into their game in the next patch.
WAR was great fun, but once Blizz snagged some of the better features there was no reason to stay there when you have characters in which you are much more invested in a game with much more content.
Outdoor Miner said:
Probably not that much, they haven't even launched Cataclysm in China. I bet by the end of this expansion they will be under 10 million subs though.
Hari Seldon
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WAR was fucking terrible. It deserved to crash and burn with its mushy as hell combat system. Get that 1990s shit the fuck out of here. You better be at least as responsive as WoW, if not far more so, in this day and age. Unless you are doing some unique sandbox thing then you get a pass.
BattleMonkey
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Hari Seldon said:
WAR was terrible for many reasons, but not for it's pvp.
Keiician said:Applied to EU GAF, Republic guild. Hope I'll get accepted
Everybody is welcome to our guild. I just added you, so welcome
For those in the european Gaf Guild, check out the private forum for a who's who.
The nicknames can be confusing at times, since hardly anyone uses the same nick.
BattleMonkey
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Outdoor Miner said:
WoW seems like it will be hitting a decline with how Cat was received, but I doubt it's going to lose 80%. It might lose a nice chunk of it's players, but they will probably get more back eventually with another big expansion and content updates. But I doubt it will lose 80% any time soon, it will take a long time for that big of a drop.
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Dakota47 said:
I find your lack of faith disturbing!
Thanks a lot. The only thing I need now is a beta invite ;dFonds said:Everybody is welcome to our guild. I just added you, so welcome
For those in the european Gaf Guild, check out the private forum for a who's who.
The nicknames can be confusing at times, since hardly anyone uses the same nick.
LAUGHTREY
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Outdoor Miner said:
If everyone in North America cancelled their subs WoW would still be above 10 million, that's not how it works.
No one is going to abandon their characters easily for a new game, Guild Wars 2 is free and Diablo 3 isn't P2P. There's no reason to cancel a WoW account for those two.
WoWs not going anywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if what stopped WoW was WoW itself.
The only reason TOR has a chance is because it's Star Wars, if it were any other license it'd just be another tiny blip like TERA or Rift or DCUO.
StUnNeR H2K
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LAUGHTREY said:
This is what I've been thinking all along, but add to it that Bioware is the developer with a good track record of producing quality games especially in the RPG department.
LAUGHTREY said:
Wait what? They have 11mil active sub's, and that was a month after cata's release. So its about 10million now. Considering its still the most popular MMO in the west, I think you need to re-evaluate your figures.
As for Diablo 3 or GW2, I think you'll be surprised at how many players from WoW will migrate to Diablo 3. GW2 will only make a name for itself if its a great game, which will then simply grow its own playerbase from all areas of the market.
And for the record, Rift was not a tiny blip. What it lacked in numbers, it took a lot of quality players from WoW to Rift - which eventually will have long term reprucations for end game play.
For TOR to be considered a success, it needs about 3million-5million active sub's a year after launch, with ideally 8-10million before Titan hits to give Blizzard a run for their money. Considering that past figures have shown that the market can only support about 14-15million active MMO players globally, TOR has to be an excellent game with a huge marketing push to achieve market dominance for the next few years.
I have no doubt that it is an excellent MMO, I have no doubt EA will push the advertising.
LAUGHTREY
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They count the pay-per-hour subs in the Asian market the same as a sub in NA. Someone pays for 2 hours of WoW in China they equate it to a 1 month in NA. Last I saw a long time ago NA was barely 1 million of the player base, with all those other micro-subs making up the vast majority.syoaran said:
Yeah wishful thinking, same thing could be said about any other MMO released in WoWs lifetime.
You just said...good game will affect numbers? Yet Rift is good enough to pull the quality players from WoW but still not get the numbers? And long term "reprucations" for the end game? What does that even mean? WoW was getting easier even before Rift. End game wow is like .5% of the game.
You are crazy. Those are made up numbers.
HarryDemeanor
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Rflagg said:
Well there goes that person's beta account. Giving away your character name is a great way at making that happen.
Confused101
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You're not the only one. I even tried hovering over the skill tree with my mouse out of desperation. Needless to say, it didn't work.Trouble said:
I need a new computer.. but a tabletop gaming PC is not a good idea at the moment. Sigh, i wonder how much a laptop that can run TOR with highest graphics settings 30fps+ costs (in euros, in Finland).
(and runs other current games decently). This one may be able to run TOR, with minimun settings probably. (How does Mobility Radeon HD2600 sound?)
Want this game so bad... should not have looked at the screenshots.
(and runs other current games decently). This one may be able to run TOR, with minimun settings probably. (How does Mobility Radeon HD2600 sound?)
Want this game so bad... should not have looked at the screenshots.
DurielBlack
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Rflagg said:
The game really needs some AA, I hope it's something they plan on adding or people that have been posting screens keep turning off.
Outside of that, graphics look great, not mindblowing or anything but it's an MMO. The art style has improved loads since the early shots.
DurielBlack said:
Those last shots look pretty shitty compared to shots I've seen up there before.
I think it goes without saying that settings were not maxed out on that persons setup. And most importantly, the AA is mostly added at the final stage of the game. I'm pretty damn sure there will be extensive option to tweak the graphics in the final version to cater to the need of all gamers.
It's such a shame that people are putting this crap up on that site and ruin the image that Bioware are trying to put out to their fans.
Yaska
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Buy from amazon.de, the prices are better over there. Paid 1350 with mailing and taxes from my G73JH, similar setup would've cost me 1900-2000 in Finland. For around 800-900 you can get pretty decent laptop that runs games, but if you want a gaming laptop, it'll usually set you 1200-2000 in Finland.Woorloog said:
On-topic: damnit, I'm too tired to figure out that cake site.
BattleMonkey
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syoaran said:
EA has stated that the game needs to just keep 500k subs for the game to be profitable. They are hoping for 1 million + subs of course. They are not setting out to be making 3-5mil subs.
HarryDemeanor
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Kintaro said:
Yes there is a codex in-game.
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Oh shit.HarryDemeanor said:
This game. I fucking need it.
Rapture
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Baller said:
if you want more info on the codex there's a good article on the SWTOR website about it. They also spend some time talking about an emphasis on exploration to find special codex entries known as "datacrons".
link to aforementioned article- http://www.swtor.com/news/blog/20110506
LAUGHTREY said:
Please show me a link for this, as its the first I've heard of this. Why would they even do that? As for NA... Well no. Again, I'm not really sure where you get your facts from, but 2008 had 2.8million day1 retail sales for WOTLK, so it doesnt really help your argument.
LAUGHTREY said:
D3 is not an MMO, so its not directly impacting that market. It is indirectly affecting it because Blizzard fans will eat into the new experience, and it offers far more content for PvE players to enjoy over SCII.
LAUGHTREY said:
Movers and shakers on a server. Players who run guilds, or players who play on a competitive level looking for something fresh. End game WoW was .5% of the game at Vanilla, that changed substantially with LFG 5mans and 10man raiding.
LAUGHTREY said:
Considering that no announcement of speculation will ever be made by EA or Bioware, of course its made up. Its based on the logical assumption that for TOR to top WoW, it would have to at least emulate its success based on a five year plan. That requires an insane amount of people to be interested in the game within the first year, because you quite literally require the gaming and mainstream press to write "top's WoW's sales" for it generate the word of mouth it needs.
EA have stated that 500k subs are what they need to turn a profit. No company post 2008 has stated, "X product is a WoW beater" because its hubris and plays terribly in the presses. But you can't ignore the fact that EA have been gearing this MMO to take the controlling share of the market, and at least hold it until Titan arrives. For them to do this, they need millions of subs. End of.
It's impossible to think that Bioware can do what Blizzard did overnight. It took Blizzard about 4-5 years to get the amount of players that they got to, with numbers now decreasing.
A year after it's release in NA and half a year after it's release in EU WoW had 1.5 million subs. And that was a massive succes. Nobody saw that coming.
A game like this needs time to attract players. What us hardcore MMO gamers and frequenters of forums sometimes tend to forget is that we make up about 20% of the gaming population for MMO's. Others will be dragged in by word of mouth, because their bigger brother/sister plays it or because they want to play with their significant others.
If Bioware can reach and hold 500k to 1 million subs for a year they won't have topped blizzard in the initial launch phase, but they certainly aren't headed in a wrong direction.
If it's a healthy MMO they have the posibility to grow for a couple of years. Whereas the behemoth that is WoW is losing subs at the moment.
I'm no gaming economist but I'm not sure which is a more healthy product. The one that is slowly gaining subs, or the one that is huge but is steadily losing subs.
Now this is all ofcourse written under the impression that TOR will be a healthy MMO at launch and will have the ability to drag people into it in the long run.
/rant over
A year after it's release in NA and half a year after it's release in EU WoW had 1.5 million subs. And that was a massive succes. Nobody saw that coming.
A game like this needs time to attract players. What us hardcore MMO gamers and frequenters of forums sometimes tend to forget is that we make up about 20% of the gaming population for MMO's. Others will be dragged in by word of mouth, because their bigger brother/sister plays it or because they want to play with their significant others.
If Bioware can reach and hold 500k to 1 million subs for a year they won't have topped blizzard in the initial launch phase, but they certainly aren't headed in a wrong direction.
If it's a healthy MMO they have the posibility to grow for a couple of years. Whereas the behemoth that is WoW is losing subs at the moment.
I'm no gaming economist but I'm not sure which is a more healthy product. The one that is slowly gaining subs, or the one that is huge but is steadily losing subs.
Now this is all ofcourse written under the impression that TOR will be a healthy MMO at launch and will have the ability to drag people into it in the long run.
/rant over
I think it wasn't posted before - lightsaber crafting video.
Anasui Kishibe
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Keiician said:
this made me lol for some reason
still I have waited enough for this game. Get it out already
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