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JKTrix said:
As possibly the worst player who joins in on these GAF nights occasionaly, very friendly
if you dont feel like playing right away theres always watching to do, make sure you get on mumble if you can aswell! team and custom games are a great start if you just wanna have a bit of fun too!
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Late 20s isn't old.Birdman02 said:
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Noob friendly but be willing to take criticism and have some what a thick skin as we all make fun of each other.JKTrix said:
Haunted
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oGs videos are up!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8306620
And a related comment from Jinro:
Also, I'm seeing Zzoram on TL playing devil's advocate. You rascal, you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8306620
And a related comment from Jinro:
Seeing something like this was unthinkable in the BW era. It's nice how some of the people who put the Koreans on a godlike pedestal for years are getting their mind blown by this. :lolLiquid'Jinro said:
Also, I'm seeing Zzoram on TL playing devil's advocate. You rascal, you.
I'm Bobster on TL, btw.
Thanks for making me feel old.Birdman02 said:
Haunted said:oGs videos are up!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8306620
And a related comment from Jinro:
Seeing something like this was unthinkable in the BW era. It's nice how some of the people who put the Koreans on a godly pedestal for years are getting their mind blown by this. :lol
Also, I'm seeing Zzoram on TL playing devil's advocate. You rascal, you.I'm Bobster on TL, btw.
Thanks for making me feel old.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...sbVNJUUQ1N2pkYUE&hl=en&authkey=CKv3ydUN#gid=1
You should be keeping this gold for Neogaf and making TL feel bad and have to quote us. Like that week where farnham translated two news thingies over here.. tl were raging something hard it was lol.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Unless they are europeanSpl1nter said:
Haunted
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Lost so much respect for Cloud in that thread.Ikuu said:
But eh, he's always been the consummate professional, I should've expected him to bitch about anything limiting his chances to get the money. Very much looking forward to another truly international tournament from a spectator's perspective. And honestly, if they're competitive guys and have at least some pride, the foreigners who applied should be burning to eradicate the IEM results right now.
On a fun sidenote, I'm fairly certain someone posted my NASL list of applicants on a Korean site, because I've been getting very frequent visits from Korean guests in the last hour.
Tuesday is typically pre-GAF-night, we still have a good amount online, and then usually after Tourney Thursdays we still have enough people online to play a few non-serious games. Wednesday just happens to be the big day where there are up to 40 gaffers online at once!mcrae said:
If I could keep mapping topics in their own threads then Star Battle, Nexus Wars, City of Tempest, etc. would have their own threads on GAF.NukeDukem said:
JKTrix said:
Very noob friendly! Lots of people who are willing to coach, as well.
HolyCheck said:As possibly the worst player who joins in on these GAF nights occasionaly, very friendly
team and custom games are a great start if you just wanna have a bit of fun too!
You and me both, HolyCheck.
Nothing as awesome as getting on mumble and clarifying that I am the bad wedge haha.
Corran Horn
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Im still confused. One of you need to become Wes Janson or maybe Tycho.WedgeX said:
Corran Horn
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Maybe its just MLG but Blizzcon was full of over 30 people when I went last year.Birdman02 said:
TheThunder
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Yeah, talk about total defeatist mentality.Haunted said:Lost so much respect for Cloud in that thread.
Very much looking forward to another truly international tournament from a spectator's perspective. And honestly, if they're competitive guys and have at least some pride, the foreigners who applied should be burning to eradicate the IEM results right now.
On a fun sidenote, I'm fairly certain someone posted my NASL list of applicants on a Korean site, because I've been getting very frequent visits from Korean guests in the last hour.
I'm just glad that the fighting game community (especially Street Fighter) weren't as chicken shit as some of those so called "competitive" pros and tried to ban Japanese players because they were winning most of the tournaments.
NASL is screwed regardless of what they do.
If they limit the amount of Korean players (which is then smart choice..), a certain subset of viewers will bitch a ton and not bother watching the tournament.
If they don't limit the amount of Korean players, we'll be seeing an all Korean NASL by Season 3 with only a few NA/EU players in it.
For NA/EU players to compete with the KR players, they need to have the team house structure set up, else they'll have no chance. The only way that'll happen is through sponsors and sponsorship money, which they'll get through exposure in leagues like the NASL. If the NASL is dominated by Korean players, there won't be any sponsorship money available to the NA/EU teams and they'll continue to fall further and further behind the East.
They should limit the number of Koreans to 10 or so and be done with it.
If they limit the amount of Korean players (which is then smart choice..), a certain subset of viewers will bitch a ton and not bother watching the tournament.
If they don't limit the amount of Korean players, we'll be seeing an all Korean NASL by Season 3 with only a few NA/EU players in it.
For NA/EU players to compete with the KR players, they need to have the team house structure set up, else they'll have no chance. The only way that'll happen is through sponsors and sponsorship money, which they'll get through exposure in leagues like the NASL. If the NASL is dominated by Korean players, there won't be any sponsorship money available to the NA/EU teams and they'll continue to fall further and further behind the East.
They should limit the number of Koreans to 10 or so and be done with it.
TheThunder
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10 koreans is a good number to start with, if further more want to come in they can try for the 1000 man tournament and place in top 8 to get in.
However limiting the number of Korean players to 10 at all times would be stupid move by them.
However limiting the number of Korean players to 10 at all times would be stupid move by them.
TheThunder
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Why should it be ?
If you're not gonna catch up to Koreans now then you'll never will. Team houses are already happening, There is the Root/Fanatic house, the EG house and TLO and Sjow are supposedly starting something in Sweden really soon.
There are many full professional teams, Liquid, EG, Fanatic and FXO from the top of my head do pay their players monthly salaries and make them full time professional gamers (something only the TSL team in korea is doing right now).
Even if you limit the number to let's say 10 , Jinro and Huk are not gonna apply for the first season. What if non of the Koreans drop down and Jinro and Huk want to get in next season or the next, what do you do ?
Do you tell them no and lose probably one of the best foreigners (and the world in case of Jinro) to compete in your league or do you let them in and come off as xenophobic because you're turning players down now based on their race/skin color.
People need to stop fearing the Korean boggieman and just accept the challenge. So what if MC or July destroys everyone and wins the first NASL. Sooner or later people who take this game seriously are gonna catch up and are going to beat the koreans just like it happened with Street Fighter. A Japanese player is no longer an auto win just as we saw last week when Puertorican Balrog beat Tokido, one of the best players in Japan and took the championship.
Anyway GSL is starting so I'll replay later if you wanna continue the argument.
If you're not gonna catch up to Koreans now then you'll never will. Team houses are already happening, There is the Root/Fanatic house, the EG house and TLO and Sjow are supposedly starting something in Sweden really soon.
There are many full professional teams, Liquid, EG, Fanatic and FXO from the top of my head do pay their players monthly salaries and make them full time professional gamers (something only the TSL team in korea is doing right now).
Even if you limit the number to let's say 10 , Jinro and Huk are not gonna apply for the first season. What if non of the Koreans drop down and Jinro and Huk want to get in next season or the next, what do you do ?
Do you tell them no and lose probably one of the best foreigners (and the world in case of Jinro) to compete in your league or do you let them in and come off as xenophobic because you're turning players down now based on their race/skin color.
People need to stop fearing the Korean boggieman and just accept the challenge. So what if MC or July destroys everyone and wins the first NASL. Sooner or later people who take this game seriously are gonna catch up and are going to beat the koreans just like it happened with Street Fighter. A Japanese player is no longer an auto win just as we saw last week when Puertorican Balrog beat Tokido, one of the best players in Japan and took the championship.
Anyway GSL is starting so I'll replay later if you wanna continue the argument.
Haunted
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They can actually control the NA/EU/KR balance in upcoming seasons via placement in the Open tournament bracket.
Top 8 advance, but you only want max. 5 EU players coming in? Place them into 5 brackets (a 1024 man tournament is 8 brackets á 128 players) so they hit each other before getting to Top 8. Max. possible number of EU players to advance: 5. Bam, done.
Some possible distributions for this first season:
NA/EU/KR
20/20/10
20/15/15
18/24/8
25/17/8
Top 8 advance, but you only want max. 5 EU players coming in? Place them into 5 brackets (a 1024 man tournament is 8 brackets á 128 players) so they hit each other before getting to Top 8. Max. possible number of EU players to advance: 5. Bam, done.
Some possible distributions for this first season:
NA/EU/KR
20/20/10
20/15/15
18/24/8
25/17/8
The formation of team houses is a great thing - it's definitely what is needed for the the NA/EU players to catch up to the Koreans. But if you notice.. The root/EG houses were only put together recently. They're only possible now because of the NASL and the increased exposure and sponsorship money they'll be receiving from it.
I don't think it's about the players being scared of Koreans -- at least, I hope it's not -- it's more that the NA/EU players need to get more exposure to attract sponsors to allow them to go fully pro and compete with the Koreans. There's not much money in esports at the moment - if there was, Root would have got a sponsor long ago. If the Koreans end up outnumbering the NA/EU teams in the NASL, they're not going to be able to attract sponsors they need as they're not going to get enough exposure for sponsorships to be worthwhile.
I'd like to see a 20/20/10 split, personally, in the league.
I don't think it's about the players being scared of Koreans -- at least, I hope it's not -- it's more that the NA/EU players need to get more exposure to attract sponsors to allow them to go fully pro and compete with the Koreans. There's not much money in esports at the moment - if there was, Root would have got a sponsor long ago. If the Koreans end up outnumbering the NA/EU teams in the NASL, they're not going to be able to attract sponsors they need as they're not going to get enough exposure for sponsorships to be worthwhile.
I'd like to see a 20/20/10 split, personally, in the league.
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