-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT2| GL HF GG
- Thread starter Corran Horn
- Start date
- Status
zergling counter to siege tanks ofcfanboi said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKVFZ28ybQs&feature=player_embedded#at=60
Lord_Nergal
Member
fanboi said:
Gonna have to learn how to do that.
Lord_Nergal
Member
I'm working on an MMM vikings plan myself. The thing that kills me most often is early air attacks, mostly because I'm concentrating on protecting my expansion and pumping out as many marines and marauders as I can.
EDIT : Also, what's a good way as a Terran to force myself to be more aggressive early on? I don't think it's wise to only begin punching my opponent around the 15 minute mark....
EDIT : Also, what's a good way as a Terran to force myself to be more aggressive early on? I don't think it's wise to only begin punching my opponent around the 15 minute mark....
Lord_Nergal
Member
ultron87 said:
Tried this on Scrap station, failed, but I caught his expansion into the gold early. Will have to try this more.
Lord_Nergal
Member
Spl1nter said:
That's why it failed, ha.
Ecto311
Member
Lord_Nergal said:
Bronzer here but, I have had a lot of luck recently with reapers. If you can get marauders then you can get a reaper and use it to poke around. It's amazing how many games I would have lost if I didn't see the tech for DT and get a fast raven out.
I bet 5 of my last 8 games were people going quick DT - I poke around with my reaper, kill a probe and leave then hit them with a ball of mm and raven. The pdd takes shots off the cannons while concussive shells slow the bastards down.
4+ reapers will take out a pylon very quickly also.
Lord_Nergal
Member
Ecto311 said:
Thanks for the tips, I'll mix in a little Reaper action in a few games soon.
It depends how you approach it although any solution to counter the MMM ball + vikings requires some micro.Trickster said:
1. Colossus need micro to avoid being sniped.
2. Sentries to split the terran bio ball with forcefields. At the very least, keep the Terran bio out of range of the Colossus while move the anti air units for protection.
3. Dealing with Vikings:
a. Stargate Tech: A pro told me to use Phoenixes as you can use them to micro them around the vikings. I tend to go for Void-Rays as I'm a player who just loves colossus + voidray + stalker combo off 3 base.
b. High Templar. While HTs may not deal with vikings directly, they can certainly demolish the MMM ball in seconds.
Better yet, do you have a replay to share so we can see this from your prospective?
claviertekky said:
In addition to the above:
Psystorm works just as well on clumped Vikings as it does on everything else. So no reason to discount that. Just gotta aim it right. Turn on the "Flying unit helper" (or whatever it is called) that shows exactly what space flyers are over. Makes aiming the storms way easier.
And blink stalkers are also great at dealing with Vikings. If they're using the Viking to try and get an angle on the colossi you can surprise them by blinking right under them and doing a ton of damage.
PhoenixDark
Banned
evangd007 said:
Same here. Wish I didn't go though. I lagged like fuck for the last 30 minutes, and caused the raid to fail.
Well, here's my hope for the next balance change...though I'm probably being somewhat shortsighted with some of these suggestions.
- Delay warp gate research. If Terran can't get stim up as quickly, and Zerg can't wall off, warp gate should get delayed because 4gate is ruining early games with a Protoss matchup. They need to delay that stupid warp gate by at least 1 minute. It's too strong in the early game. It's not fair that one race can be spawning reinforcements right outside your door so early in the game.
- Make Zerg better equipped to handle air harass. Whether it's making queens do more damage to banshees/voids/phoenix or making it so you can't lift queens, they need to do something. I almost feel bad for Zerg's weakness in with anti-air. Stalkers and Marines allow T and P to hold off air aggression much easier.
- Get rid of the magic box on Thors. I've always thought that it was BS.
- Make it so upgraded Banelings aren't faster than stimmed Marines. Equal speed would be better.
- Delay warp gate research. If Terran can't get stim up as quickly, and Zerg can't wall off, warp gate should get delayed because 4gate is ruining early games with a Protoss matchup. They need to delay that stupid warp gate by at least 1 minute. It's too strong in the early game. It's not fair that one race can be spawning reinforcements right outside your door so early in the game.
- Make Zerg better equipped to handle air harass. Whether it's making queens do more damage to banshees/voids/phoenix or making it so you can't lift queens, they need to do something. I almost feel bad for Zerg's weakness in with anti-air. Stalkers and Marines allow T and P to hold off air aggression much easier.
- Get rid of the magic box on Thors. I've always thought that it was BS.
- Make it so upgraded Banelings aren't faster than stimmed Marines. Equal speed would be better.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Spl1nter said:
Nah, but tensions built and a healer wound up quitting the guild; at 12:00am he said he was going to bed, I said I was lagging too much to continue, then the raid leader was like "you're seriously leaving before I tell you the raid is over? Seriously?" So the guy left the guild lmao
Horrible night. I dunno why I lag in WoW but have no problems with SC2, which I play on all ultra settings.
Jeff-DSA said:
- Zerg AA is fine against early game harass.
- Magic box can be done with all units. Its perfectly fine, Mutas wouldn't be usable in tvz if that were the case
- Marines are faster than Banelings off creep
PhoenixDark said:
lol WoW. Its funny yet sad at the same time.
Jeff-DSA said:
- wait, you want to remove the ability for mutas to magic box? or you want to remove thor splash? both ideas suck. though im hoping i just dont understand what you're talking about
-
rines 2.25+1.12(stim)=3.37
banelines 2.5+0.75(on creep)=3.25
banelings(upped) 2.95+0.88 = 3.83
just dont fight them on creep
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Lol watching the stream of the gomtv foreign house.
SEN BREAK THE FORCEFIELD WITH YOUR MIND!
SEN BREAK THE FORCEFIELD WITH YOUR MIND!
Awesome Animals
Member
Corran Horn said:
Link?
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
close to the edge
Member
No hover hand. Nicely done.Deadman said:
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Anyone able to join gaf channel? Getting errors now 
Ark said:
Two quick gates like that aren't needed unless the other player is doing something non-standard. And it hurts your economy since you'll be cutting probes to get them out that fast.
I generally go 13 gate, 14 or 15 gas, 16 pylon, Cyber Core when the gate finishes. Chrono probes when the first pylon finishes and the next time it is available.
Edit: Changed when to chrono, since I said that wrong.
I scout after 9 pylon. That way you can see if a double gateway rush is incoming.Ark said:
Make the scouting probe do laps around the mineral line and Nexus. Note I did not say through the mineral line. If you're super lazy, you can patrol shift those actions. Just make sure you're circling around the minerals as some players like to take all their workers to kill your scouting probe. A probe can keep the zealots and other probes chasing after it forever. Get out of the base when the stalker arrives.
While scouting, be sure to check in your base for any cannon or pylon cheese with another worker while the first gateway/cyber is warping.
ultron87 said:
I agree with this.
- Status