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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT2| GL HF GG
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mescalineeyes
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I LOLed way too loud at that.
I just gave your replay a quick look over, here's some points as I go through it:Sniper McBlaze said:
-Ultron is right, you should be turning your CC into an Orbital earlier. The traditional timing for this is to stop making SCVs at 15 supply, your Barracks should finish at almost the exact same time your 15th SCV does, then immediately get your Orbital.
-you want to avoid queuing units as much as you are, especially early on. Queued units take up minerals/gas that could be used on something else like an expansion, more production buildings, or research. Queuing that early in the game can really throw off the timing of your build since minerals are so scarce in the early game.
-you took a while to put SCVs on your refinery after it finished, just something to be mindful of. Same thing with that early supply block. A good way to avoid getting supply blocked (especially if you are doing 3-Rax or something similar) is after 20 food or so, designate a single SCV that will be constantly making Supply Depots. Whenever it finishes a depot and you see it's idle, use it to build a new one. You should pretty much never get supply blocked with this method assuming you're on one base.
-you should build your second Command Center earlier, your main base was almost mined out when you started it. You had enough minerals to do so pretty easily, if you see that you have 1000 minerals saved up you should definitely start building another CC or more production buildings (Rax/Factories/Starports).
-get Stim. Seriously, it's amazing.
You won that game because your opponent pushed into a fortified defensive position (bunker, small choke, up a ramp) and got his entire army slaughtered. You were up 3 food prior to that battle and 37 food immediately afterward. Another suggestion is that you don't always want to turn around and head back to your base when you see a tiny force near there, you don't need to be that defensive all the time. At around the 12:30 mark you could have just strolled into his base and won the game with the forces you had instead of turning around to take out his forward pylon.
Most importantly though, congrats on the win.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Doing zealot/archon against colossus is interesting.
Awesome Animals
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ultron87 said:
Oh cincy. I used to goto Miami, but now I'm back home in Cleveland. If you're going to Cleveland, you might as well stop in C-Bus, I mean, instead of taking 270, just stay on 71!
rofl im watching thbe IGN league for the first time; I cant watch this because of how bad the casting it
anyone getting sick of paying 10$ for a gomtv pass and still having to watch ads? especially in the light that the gom player is buggy as fuck and everytime u select a different game it loads the first game again, of course after showing you ANOTHER ad, and then watching ONE MORE just to get the right game to load up. ughh i can't believe i keep paying for this shit
anyone getting sick of paying 10$ for a gomtv pass and still having to watch ads? especially in the light that the gom player is buggy as fuck and everytime u select a different game it loads the first game again, of course after showing you ANOTHER ad, and then watching ONE MORE just to get the right game to load up. ughh i can't believe i keep paying for this shit
Awesome Animals
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http://www.mediafire.com/?ofkw3gwd88d0ff2
I HATE SCRAP STATION, but pulled out a gritty win
The link d/led for me fine btw. I forget who said they had a problem. :[
I HATE SCRAP STATION, but pulled out a gritty win
The link d/led for me fine btw. I forget who said they had a problem. :[
Is it actually odd to put 6 on gas when 3-gate expanding as Protoss? They kept talking about it as if it were incredibly strange. Admittedly, he ended up having a ridiculous amount of gas, since he expanded before his 2nd gate even finished, but still.nilbog21 said:
What ads?nilbog21 said:
Awesome Animals
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Alright, my buddy just bought the game, and just registered for neoGAF. How long until he gets approved, lol. In either case he will be in the channel, and we got to train him up if we can.
StopMakingSense
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Awesome Animals said:
Couple weeks to several months, no one knows.
Awesome Animals
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StopMakingSense said:
yea, took me three months I believe. I was joking because I know the approval is pretty sporadic.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Took me like 6 months, and with E3 soon, I imagine nothing soon with server loads max soon.Awesome Animals said:
AdventureRacing
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I got approved pretty much instantly. In fact i didn't even know about people having to wait until after i became a member.
Forgotten_Taco
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I think I waited 7 months, of course this was back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
oxrock
Gravity is a myth, the Earth SUCKS!
The admin who goes through the applications is very lax about it generally. Sometimes he'll sort through and do the very obvious admissions every 6 months or so but a lot of them get skimmed through for quite a while and are left there for much longer. It's really a crapshoot getting in unless you have an inside man =p
SteveWinwood
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I applied and waited three years. Got fed up and applied again with the same email. Got through in only 5 months then! YEAH!
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
MrMr I think I found someone playing your game. A dude just nuked my observer lol
I just finished installing my new SSD into my comp, re-downloaded SC2 and installed it and decided "Hey, why not play a few games?" I've played exactly 2 games and lost both when I should have won EASILY because I'm playing stupidly.
I have money, I have gas (EDIT: well, sometimes . . . ), I have the tech I need to beat my opponent, I just can't seem to stay on top of my unit production and upgrades. It's getting ridiculous. Panda, I know I talked to you on Mumble about getting coached, but I could really use some advice. I feel really god-awful about playing more, simply because I can see where I suck every time, I just can't seem to get myself to fix it.
I've uploaded my last 2 games/losses below. You can see that, for some mystical reason, I pretty much hand the game to my opponent after either fending off rushes or outright crushing his army. I have expos, I have drones, I just don't inject/keep building units. FML.
Game 1 vs. a Cheesy Protoss.
Game 2 where I bumble around like a retard and lose a game where I should be crushing this fool.
Help, please. I have to do some work for school today, but I should be on Wednesday evening. Any practice games and/or coaching would be useful.
EDIT: Just rewatching the replays is making me foam at the mouth. This must be what Yoshi feels like all the time.
I have money, I have gas (EDIT: well, sometimes . . . ), I have the tech I need to beat my opponent, I just can't seem to stay on top of my unit production and upgrades. It's getting ridiculous. Panda, I know I talked to you on Mumble about getting coached, but I could really use some advice. I feel really god-awful about playing more, simply because I can see where I suck every time, I just can't seem to get myself to fix it.
I've uploaded my last 2 games/losses below. You can see that, for some mystical reason, I pretty much hand the game to my opponent after either fending off rushes or outright crushing his army. I have expos, I have drones, I just don't inject/keep building units. FML.
Game 1 vs. a Cheesy Protoss.
Game 2 where I bumble around like a retard and lose a game where I should be crushing this fool.
Help, please. I have to do some work for school today, but I should be on Wednesday evening. Any practice games and/or coaching would be useful.
EDIT: Just rewatching the replays is making me foam at the mouth. This must be what Yoshi feels like all the time.
AdventureRacing
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zoukka said:
Looks like you should have went for GAF platinum
mescalineeyes
Banned
It's all about GAF Diamond baby.
Awesome Animals
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zoukka said:
Looks like talking about the secret membership gets you banned
That is not an admission, I swear!
In either case, I told my buddy to lurk a bit, got him in the NeoGAF chat channel, and told Aylinato to help him out if he asks since he was the only one in mumble. I told him about teamliquid.net, and about streams and watching progamers and such. Now to get him on Mumble. I told him to come to GAF night (tonight? or was it moved to wednesday?), which means he will be forced to play, and get a bit of coaching up. Unfortunately, I think I am not in a position to help him.
P.S. Protoss is super imbalanced, and so easy.
Fellow Gold Zerg here, watched the first replay. You knew what you did wrong so you know where to improve on. I share your frustration with cannon cheese and like you I tend to assume that protoss would straight tech to voidrays after a failed cheese. However, I still think that evo chamber with two spore was too early and too much of an investment when you needed to equalize your economy. And even then if he decided to push with four voids those spores wouldnt completely fend them off. Were you afraid of DTs maybe?Keikaku said:
Get used to sacrificing overlords, the information you can get is so crucial in your reaction to your opponent. Also I like to keep a zergling right below the ramp or near their natural so I know when they are pushing out with an army. Also, take out their probes with your runby zerglings. You had the chance a couple of times.
AdventureRacing
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Awesome Animals said:
Wait people actually do 1v1's on GAF night? When i showed up all anyone did was play one of mrmister's maps. Haven't really been back since, i guess i should probably get around to that.
Awesome Animals said:
My friend had a terran rage at him at the end of a match for playing protoss.
I find it highly amusing to watch a terran who built nothing but marauders (and like maybe 4 vikings) with no up upgrades complain when he loses to zealot/stalker/sentry/colo with 2/2 upgrades.
The fact that he had only 38 or so scv's in over 20 minutes of play just made it funnier.
mescalineeyes
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So I felt ZvZ got really stale and far too retarded with the patch that buffed Infestors to no end and Roach/Infestor has become too much of a mainstay in that matchup. While it was a lot of fun to use when people didn't realize the metagame has shifted with the patch, now that most matches have evolved into who has more infestors/who gets the luckier fungals off, I frankly am no longer willing to continue that trend.
so after a bit of mucking around in the unit test map I found out that burrowed banes can kill roaches below cost (20 banes can kill 20-25 roaches if you hit them right.), so I tried making ling/bling muta work again and I find it's fairly successful.
you be the judge:
http://cl.ly/6o5T
it's my first game with this unit combination. Let me know what you think or what areas could be improved upon -- or if I simply got lucky
so after a bit of mucking around in the unit test map I found out that burrowed banes can kill roaches below cost (20 banes can kill 20-25 roaches if you hit them right.), so I tried making ling/bling muta work again and I find it's fairly successful.
you be the judge:
http://cl.ly/6o5T
it's my first game with this unit combination. Let me know what you think or what areas could be improved upon -- or if I simply got lucky
Awesome Animals
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AdventureRacing said:
Usually new players to GAF night are forced into a 1v1 with obs.
AdventureRacing said:
And I was trolling more so than actually complaining
mescalineeyes
Banned
Pandaman said:
yes I totally realize that, but mutas are fairly good to get rid of those.
mescalineeyes
Banned
Pandaman said:
oh yeah, I absolutely hear you on that one. well it's still a work in progress.
Awesome Animals
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Yoshichan said:
You may want to try getting a quick +1 attack for your lings to keep pressure on in the early game so you can keep the roach count low and delay any tech of theirs with this. However, if you get a map with tightly protected expansions it would be hard to continue pressure once roaches are on the field.
The main problem with ling+bane is that one fungal will erase any of those units from the game, im not sure if I would rely too much on burrowed banes to take care of their army. I have to agree with panda in that the trick would only work once on an opponent (at least a smart one). Going spire to deal with overseers is indeed a fairly large risk, unless you manage to do it while applying pressure or getting a spine crawler forest with some queens. For a long game plan you could do this opening and use your unit composition to gain map control, punishing any attacks with counterattacks and delaying until you eventually get some ultra's in your mix.
Overall I do like the idea and think it is a viable strategy for ZvZ, you'll just have to deal with the other zerg like you do a protoss player (limit their army count or spread out their slow forces with multi-prong aggression). Let me know how this turns out, im willing to watch some replays and help out!
The main problem with ling+bane is that one fungal will erase any of those units from the game, im not sure if I would rely too much on burrowed banes to take care of their army. I have to agree with panda in that the trick would only work once on an opponent (at least a smart one). Going spire to deal with overseers is indeed a fairly large risk, unless you manage to do it while applying pressure or getting a spine crawler forest with some queens. For a long game plan you could do this opening and use your unit composition to gain map control, punishing any attacks with counterattacks and delaying until you eventually get some ultra's in your mix.
Overall I do like the idea and think it is a viable strategy for ZvZ, you'll just have to deal with the other zerg like you do a protoss player (limit their army count or spread out their slow forces with multi-prong aggression). Let me know how this turns out, im willing to watch some replays and help out!
mescalineeyes
Banned
Elcheris said:
thank you kindly for your feedback <3 there is a replay up there, I am not sure if you've seen it. here's the link again: http://cl.ly/6o5T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IO3umgLcQ4&feature=player_embedded
Korean casters react to chill lagging during tsl 3 :lol
Korean casters react to chill lagging during tsl 3 :lol
Awesome Animals
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Yoshichan said:Thank you!
Were you required to purchase the name change? Or was that the one free one? The character limit upsets me because I am forced to leave out letters of my name
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I used my free oneAwesome Animals said:Were you required to purchase the name change? Or was that the one free one? The character limit upsets me because I am forced to leave out letters of my name
! Character limit sucks How many letters are you restricted too?mescalineeyes
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mescalineeyes
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or AA. although people might have different associations.
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