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I am silver league and need help as zerg.
I've been trying to do mutaling vs protoss and muta, ling, bling vs terran. It seems like the only times I win is if they don't attack for a long time. They usually attack just as I'm getting the first 4 mutas or they attack before I even get mutas. At that point I usually only have a few zerglings (around 14).
I try to scout but generally lose track of scouting after 5-7 minutes into the game :lol From what I understand the common time for a zerg to expand is at 21 food but it seems to be a total gamble if I do this. Again, if they attack early I am guaranteed to lose since I don't have a lot of units at this point. Sometimes I make 1-2 spine crawlers and sometimes I don't make any.
Any tips?
I've been trying to do mutaling vs protoss and muta, ling, bling vs terran. It seems like the only times I win is if they don't attack for a long time. They usually attack just as I'm getting the first 4 mutas or they attack before I even get mutas. At that point I usually only have a few zerglings (around 14).
I try to scout but generally lose track of scouting after 5-7 minutes into the game :lol From what I understand the common time for a zerg to expand is at 21 food but it seems to be a total gamble if I do this. Again, if they attack early I am guaranteed to lose since I don't have a lot of units at this point. Sometimes I make 1-2 spine crawlers and sometimes I don't make any.
Any tips?
Corran Horn
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mcrae said:
Yea, I heard that too. I tried 15 hatch and lost. I guess I'm just wondering how many units you make early on. Maybe I drone up too much, but at the same time just defending with zerglings against marine/marauder or mass stalkers doesn't seem to work out for me in the early game.
pieatorium
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park a zergling near the bottom of your opponents ramp so that when he moves out you will see it and have enough time to spam out some units/morph banelings.
Help me out here... in 2v2 with my friend, we've been dominating in platinum lately trying to get to diamond (rank 4 plat toss + terran).. I just go basic 3rax and he adjusts according to what we see.. sometimes 4gate for early zealot pressure, stalkers, voidrays etc..
The one thing we can't seem to beat, which is hella annoying, are teams that tech up. For instance, the loss we just had:
We were about to move out with ground forces but I caught a glimpse of a drop, so we returned to base to defend... by the time we move our forces out to their base, they have tanks and wall.. fail, we bring our forces back..
We expand, make more forces... I switch to banshees + cloak and he goes mass stalkers, we push out and get raped by mass thors.
This happens so often... it's that one point where they pull ahead with tech and we lose, but if we don't make ground forces and tech up like them, we always get countered before WE tech up. it's so annoying.. sigh.
The one thing we can't seem to beat, which is hella annoying, are teams that tech up. For instance, the loss we just had:
We were about to move out with ground forces but I caught a glimpse of a drop, so we returned to base to defend... by the time we move our forces out to their base, they have tanks and wall.. fail, we bring our forces back..
We expand, make more forces... I switch to banshees + cloak and he goes mass stalkers, we push out and get raped by mass thors.
This happens so often... it's that one point where they pull ahead with tech and we lose, but if we don't make ground forces and tech up like them, we always get countered before WE tech up. it's so annoying.. sigh.
YakiSOBA said:
chargelots vs tanks, immortals vs thors
I normally am always protoss(as i pick brotoss) and I always go chargelots/then blink stalker, then add immortals ASAP
my start is like this
9 pylon
12 gateway
normally by 16 i can get cyber core(or z-lot, then i go to xel'naga tower with my first z-lot if they aren't zerg
then plyon at 16 as well
then i start adding another gateway
then when i have 2 zealots out, i build two stalkers
then 2 more gateways
then when warpgate is done, 4 stalkers
then i either fast expand, or i build more zlots to hold off any early pushes
after expand, make sure to add twilight council, keep building units either stalker/zealots depending on what your facing
if thors and tanks pop up get chargelots early, then get +1 weapon, normally same time finish, then start adding some immortals to go along with your chargelot armor as those two destroy tanks/thors, and the stalkers should have blink when thors r up so they can pick off some tanks then blink out(not sieged of course)
but if there is like 12 sieged tanks, with thors, i have no idea what to do
but if you dont like immortals/chargelots, colosi also own thors as their weapons outrange a thor because of the +1 and some. So, if you love colosi, that is the other route i can go
I seem to be losing a lot to mass void rays as a zerg. My macro has improved exponentially. I scout a lot more and tend to dominate economically. However, whenever I scout a mass void ray, I start getting ready with Hydras. The problem is, I can never build enough hydras to defend my base well enough. They usually go directly for my hatcheries, and it's GG for me :/ What's the best way to defend against voidrays as a zerg?
People still go mass void rays? Shit, they're going to get nerfed even more. :lol
Hydras are your best bet and can deal with VRs pretty well. If they're coming to your base with like 20 all of a sudden you should be more aggressive, because if they have that many VRs they probably don't have much else. And if you scout it and still can't build enough Hydras to parry it there are probably deeper issues with your macro that is causing you to not be able to produce enough in time.
And don't be afraid to use your Queens as well when they get to your base.
What league are you?
Hydras are your best bet and can deal with VRs pretty well. If they're coming to your base with like 20 all of a sudden you should be more aggressive, because if they have that many VRs they probably don't have much else. And if you scout it and still can't build enough Hydras to parry it there are probably deeper issues with your macro that is causing you to not be able to produce enough in time.
And don't be afraid to use your Queens as well when they get to your base.
What league are you?
i fucking hate the new custom game system. the top three games popularity are:
800 games in past hour
260 games in past hour
12 games in past hour
playing anything other than the top two results in a long ass wait period, and the second most popular map is just a regular melee map but non-ladder. fuck this shit
800 games in past hour
260 games in past hour
12 games in past hour
playing anything other than the top two results in a long ass wait period, and the second most popular map is just a regular melee map but non-ladder. fuck this shit
pieatorium
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wrong threasd
watervengeance
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Star League has a nice ring to it.
YakiSOBA said:
Well, to quote Day9, you could just fucking kill them. If you see a drop coming there isnt a need to send your entire army back, just enough to take care of the drop. If you see just 1 dropship then you only need a handful of dudes. If you send your entire army then they have succeeded in their goal, delaying your push. Another thing is that once you see that they are teching, if you try and switch to banshees or something to 'counter' their units then you are already behind on the tech race. The best counter to tech can be as simple as having more stuff.
The best thing to do if you can't break their line of defense is to set up a contain, constantly reinforcing your army and proceed to expand. This way, once their tech ball rolls out you should be prepared with plenty of units and a giant economy boost.
One more thing =) Make sure you are always building workers and supply, getting supply blocked at the wrong moment can make you lose games and the key to out-producing your opponents is more workers. It doesn't matter how many expansions you have if there are barely any workers.
If you want more help then hook me up with some replays so I can see if there is anything else I could suggest!
Dreams-Visions
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as soon as that 4th gate and warp tech finishes, you should be warping in your proxy. as soon as all of those things (warp gate + 4 gates + proxy) are in play, it's time to move out.LakeEarth said:
Dreams-Visions
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oh yea, if you're going 4-gate, he should not be able to get to DT's before you kill him. no way in hell.LakeEarth said:
4-gate is usually an all-in rush, or very close to one. It's not a "rush" if you don't go until midgame. :lol
TheThunder
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No update on cross region play :/ ?
1900 if they're picking people by the globe, if its regional its closer to 1,700.Tenks said:
but i imagine adding in new leagues will push alot of people into being more active on the ladder because as you've said, it doesn't really feel like its going anywhere. you get top 50%ish in diamond and you lose alot of steam.
even among na gaffers very few people take 1v1 ladder seriously anymore. Hopefully these two new leagues provide more pressure on the diamond league ladder for growth. I think a better stats management system coming from blizzard would also help. when i found sc2ranks i suddenly got the urge to ladder because 'im really close to top XXXXX', then once i got there it was 'wow im so close to top YYYYY', etc, etc because i'm a sucker for stuff like that.
SuperAndroid17
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this is so awesome
UMS FPS Deathmatch ( Battlefield Egypt ) ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE
Jet force gemini music + CCCOMBO breaker = win
UMS FPS Deathmatch ( Battlefield Egypt ) ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE
Jet force gemini music + CCCOMBO breaker = win
Morbid Angel
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