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[V_Arnold]

How do you want to nerf infestors?

Fungal is just as broken as Force Field. Except that with Force Field, you need to have units to kill the trapped units. With fungal, you do not.

 

[fanboi]

get rid of those fucking infested terran, i dont wanna play pvz and pvt at the same f-ing time

Dont agree with removing, increase mana cost maybe.

Anorld:

Make it 50% slow instead of stuck, agreed.

 

[Holden]

Dont agree with removing, increase mana cost maybe.

Anorld:

Make it 50% slow instead of stuck, agreed.

incease mana cost, would be the same. 50 mana for 1 infested terran wont be worth it

 

[mescalineeyes]

fun fact: infested terrans have been there since day 1.

 

[fanboi]

incease mana cost, would be the same. 50 mana for 1 infested terran wont be worth it

Well, not 50, fuck no, but 25 maybe.

Also, they can't nerf them with both increasing mana AND make it 50% slow instead of stuck, one, not both

 

[Tntnnbltn]

Unburrow to cast IT at least?

 

[Holden]

Well, not 50, fuck no, but 25 maybe.

its allrdy 25 mana...

fun fact: infested terrans have been there since day 1.

fun fact: collosus hasn't be nerfed in a LONG TIME, neural didn't get buffed, and ever since infested fungal patch, i don't see much whining about collosus anymore

 

[fanboi]

its allrdy 25 mana...

What!? I thought it was 15...

35 then.

 

[mescalineeyes]

I am going to resort to the same argument that toss used to defend their death ball:

if you let zerg reach that critical number of infestors, you deserve to die.

 

[fanboi]

I am going to resort to the same argument that toss used to defend their death ball:

if you let zerg reach that critical number of infestors, you deserve to die.

Actually this is true.

Infestors make so that P and T can't get to greedy

 

[Holden]

I am going to resort to the same argument that toss used to defend their death ball:

if you let zerg reach that critical number of infestors, you deserve to die.

ya but when you reach 80 supply as toss, the zerg is allrdy at 150 (nani vs ret)

 

[mescalineeyes]

I wonder why...

if Terran can keep Zerg in check so that their macro doesn't get out of hand, then toss should be able, too.
not to mention, how much of that supply is in drones and how cost inefficient the actual units are, save for the infestor... that being said, greedy Zerg play does delay tech.

 

[Yoshichan]

Make infestors able to burrow and fungal.

 

[V_Arnold]

Make infestors able to burrow and fungal.

Yeah. And make them free.

 

[mescalineeyes]

1 infestor for every completed larva inject, actually. and start with full energy. (which ofc is actually a nerf since they'll die to feedback )

 

[Yoshichan]

Yeah. And make them free.

Let's not get excessive here!

At least make them cost 50/50.

 

[MrKnives]

Fungal is just as broken as Force Field. Except that with Force Field, you need to have units to kill the trapped units. With fungal, you do not.

Talking like a true terran already I see

 

[V_Arnold]

Talking like a true terran already I see

No, that is actually the Zerg talking, cause I for some dumb reason, refused to mass up Infestors like everyone else did in ZVZ That made me switch.

 

[zoukka]

if you let zerg reach that critical number of infestors, you deserve to die.

ATM against Terran the critical amount is about 4 fungals to kill every infantry unit the opponent has :b

Against Toss it's a bit more, but what the fuck can you do against a turtling zerg in maps like Shakuras? 4gate? 2 base all in? You deserve to lose if you want to reach lategame?

 

[fanboi]

ATM against Terran the critical amount is about 4 fungals to kill every infantry unit the opponent has :b

Against Toss it's a bit more, but what the fuck can you do against a turtling zerg in maps like Shakuras? 4gate? 2 base all in? You deserve to lose if you want to reach lategame?

Well, I agree that you should be able to move while FG, but dmg is nothing that needs to be changed.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Against Toss it's a bit more, but what the fuck can you do against a turtling zerg in maps like Shakuras? 4gate? 2 base all in? You deserve to lose if you want to reach lategame?

apply pressure? siege tanks do almost as much damage as fungals if not more and it doesn't even cost them energy. They also outrange infestors quite a bit.
Plus, a turtling Zerg lets Terran play greedier too, no? so on 3 base, cloaked ghosts as support for your mainly mech army becomes extremely viable.

 

[zoukka]

apply pressure? siege tanks do almost as much damage as fungals if not more and it doesn't even cost them energy. They also outrange infestors quite a bit.
Plus, a turtling Zerg lets Terran play greedier too, no? so on 3 base, cloaked ghosts as support for your mainly mech army becomes extremely viable.

Yeah Terran has way more things to throw at Infestors.

Still, when you see Destiny beat good players with just mass fucking infestor it feels bad man... feels bad.

 

[fanboi]

If you let Stalkers use blink while getting fg, would it help in the bigger battles... I think so atleast.

 

[Yoshichan]

One perfect placed shot in the middle with siege.

One perfect placed shot in the middle with fungal.

 

[zlatko]

Clearly the answer is mass blink stalker with carriers. Blink on top of his army surrounding it, then let the carriers sit back and destroy all the ground army.

I'm also 100% sure High templar, archons, and mass void rays is how you win.

My strats are top tier. I even recommend a mother ship to toilet all the infestors you can, then engage what's remaining.

trollface.jpg

 

[V_Arnold]

Also, Infestors do not need to Siege up. They just hit and run. Let us not compare the two. If we ONLY look at the damage, Siege tanks are way better. They can be stacked (unlike fungals), they fire "freely", their range is superior (or can be).

But then... let us look at other stuff too.
Infestors are WAAY more mobile.
Infestors can burrow.
Infestors can summon ranged attackers.
Infestors can hurt mass AIR units.

Imagine Siege tanks that would be able to aoe-shoot at mutalisks. And run away if needed, without unsiege time. Now, that is Infestors.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Yeah Terran has way more things to throw at Infestors.

Still, when you see Destiny beat good players with just mass fucking infestor it feels bad man... feels bad.

the metagame always finds a way.

but yeah, rooting needs to make way for a slow spell.

Also, Infestors do not need to Siege up. They just hit and run. Let us not compare the two. If we ONLY look at the damage, Siege tanks are way better. They can be stacked (unlike fungals), they fire "freely", their range is superior (or can be).

But then... let us look at other stuff too.
Infestors are WAAY more mobile.
Infestors can burrow.
Infestors can summon ranged attackers.
Infestors can hurt mass AIR units.

Imagine Siege tanks that would be able to aoe-shoot at mutalisks. And run away if needed, without unsiege time. Now, that is Infestors.

tl;dir: infestors are pretty good, bro.

 

[Holden]

If you let Stalkers use blink while getting fg, would it help in the bigger battles... I think so atleast.

trust me, you don't want that to happen, that would make protoss fucking OP.

 

[Pandaman]

Just wait till the Infestor nerf and Destiny will be forgotten instantly. (and dropped from GM).

Agreed. Perfect example of an imba unit-abuser. But at least he talks some shit to everyone in the stream, cause that is 'hip.

One perfect placed shot in the middle with siege.

http://i.imgur.com/9EfdW.jpg[IMG]



One perfect placed shot in the middle with fungal.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ts4T0.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
one regular ranged 13 attack
one 75 energy 7 range spell.

 

[mescalineeyes]

this might sound crazy, I know, but maybe pure marines are not the be all end all answer.

it's sort-of like if I bitched that my all ling army got raped by colossi.

 

[Yoshichan]

one regular ranged 13 attack
one 75 energy 7 range spell.

one is op. one is not.

 

[mescalineeyes]

one is op. one is not.

do you play mass marine against mass tanks in tvt? is that viable?

 

[V_Arnold]

this might sound crazy, I know, but maybe pure marines are not the be all end all answer.

it's sort-of like if I bitched that my all ling army got raped by colossi.

Or you could also realize that the marine screenshot shows damage, nothing else, for easy demonstration. It could have been Colossi lined up there if that helps you, but that is still not the point

tl;dir: infestors are pretty good, bro.

yeah

 

[ksan]

one is op. one is not.

The stats clearly point toward the tank being imba.

Spoiler

trololol

 

[Yoshichan]

do you play mass marine against mass tanks in tvt? is that viable?

yes. until hellions became op with the latest patch.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Or you could also realize that the marine screenshot shows damage, nothing else, for easy demonstration. It could have been Colossi lined up there if that helps you, but that is still not the point

the point is moot.
Yes, fungal does a shitton of damage. But why take medivacs and unit compositions out of the equation. you can't look at units in a bubble because that's not the way the game works.

 

[V_Arnold]

yes. until hellions became op with the latest patch.

Ouch. That is...not good.

the point is moot.
Yes, fungal does a shitton of damage. But why take medivacs and unit compositions out of the equation. you can't look at units in a bubble because that's not the way the game works.

We could argue about this for hours, ofc. But if mass medivacs are in the equation, they get damaged too, and die to the 2nd or 3rd fungal also

 

[Pandaman]

one is op. one is not.

both will sweep an army if left unchecked, one will actually win the game for you. [hint: not the infestor]

Yeah Terran has way more things to throw at Infestors.

Still, when you see Destiny beat good players with just mass fucking infestor it feels bad man... feels bad.

see, it doesn't feel bad here because i know that destiny is also a good player and he's rolling people who are either fucking bad or unfamiliar with the build.

 

[Holden]

both will sweep an army if left unchecked, one will actually win the game for you. [hint: not the infestor]



see, it doesn't feel bad here because i know that destiny is also a good player and he's rolling people who are either fucking bad or unfamiliar with the build.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

goodone

 

[mescalineeyes]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

goodone

sit down. different matchup.

 

[fanboi]

Anyone that goes mass marines against infestors should lose a horrible loss

 

[mescalineeyes]

We could argue about this for hours, ofc. But if mass medivacs are in the equation, they get damaged too, and die to the 2nd or 3rd fungal also

so your tanks let infestors get in range to fungal 3 times in a row? that's clearly a different problem.

 

[zoukka]

see, it doesn't feel bad here because i know that destiny is also a good player and he's rolling people who are either fucking bad or unfamiliar with the build.

feels bad man

 

[Pandaman]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

goodone

devil can roll you half asleep and chatting during game, talk to me about zvt when you give him a run for his money.

 

[Holden]

Anyone that goes mass marines against infestors should lose a horrible loss

but, but terran gaffers said that microed marines should win anything!!!!

devil can roll you half asleep and chatting during game, talk to me about zvt when you give him a run for his money.

devil been playing since what? day1, i've been playing zerg since? 3 days ago

 

[V_Arnold]

so your tanks let infestors get in range to fungal 3 times in a row? that's clearly a different problem.

So now we are talking about a full tank+medivac+bioball vs sole infestors now?
Why not bring other zerg units into the picture then?

but, but terran gaffers said that microed marines should win anything!!!!

I will never forget when Devil just massed marines against me, and I died to it cause I fell apart sooner or later. It was pre-infestorbuff, but still, the only win I got against him was when I brought Infestors

 

[mescalineeyes]

So now we are talking about a full tank+medivac+bioball vs sole infestors now?
Why not bring other zerg units into the picture then?

sure, why don't we?
or get online and try your oh so beloved infestor army against a competent terran. I ain't scared of that shit.
note: I am not saying I am a competent terran, not by far.

I will never forget when Devil just massed marines against me, and I died to it cause I fell apart sooner or later. It was pre-infestorbuff, but still, the only win I got against him was when I brought Infestors

fun fact: Infestors have done the same amount of damage to marines since day 1. the buff doesn't apply.

 

[Striek]

I don't think the infestor needs a nerf. I think protoss needs to find a way to be able to secure/defend a third easier to stay up in economy (also feel this vs. terran) - and maybe that needs a patch to happen, maybe not -, but its really slight between PvZ being hard right now, and ZvP being fucking impossible if the blink stalker/archon/templar composition is able to be much more easily reached and protoss players hit their feedbacks.

Terran have the answer to infestors already with tank/marine/ghost and really good ways to limit zerg economy/PFs to secure their own.

 

[fanboi]

sure, why don't we?
or get online and try your oh so beloved infestor army against a competent terran. I ain't scared of that shit.
note: I am not saying I am a competent terran, not by far.




fun fact: Infestors have done the same amount of damage to marines since day 1. the buff doesn't apply.

But DPS has increased, easier to FG again

 

[V_Arnold]

fun fact: Infestors have done the same amount of damage to marines since day 1. the buff doesn't apply.

I know that. Why wouldnt I?
Just said when it was so I can explain why I was not getting used to techin' Infestors