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[Corran Horn]

I would follow lord bitters anywhere.

what if he hates ponies.

 

[jersoc]

what if he hates ponies.

all the more reason then.

 

[Pandaman]

what if he hates ponies.

he doesnt

 

[Corran Horn]

he doesnt

what if he does.

 

[Yoshichan]

ugh

 

[Q8D3vil]

look at what i got after testing builds on na.

 

[Yoshichan]

gz ! Haha

 

[Pandaman]

told you.

 

[MrKnives]

look at what i got after testing builds on na.
http://i.imgur.com/vdyzu.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Marine + scv rush? :P

 

[Yoshichan]

when can I transfer my achievements from eu to us

come on blizzzzzzzzz

 

[Q8D3vil]

Marine + scv rush?

nah, full mech in all matchups.

 

[MrKnives]

nah, full mech in all matchups.

For some reason I love meching. Meching really makes me want to play Terran.

Edit: So now TvP ez mode?

 

[Q8D3vil]

For some reason I love meching. Meching really makes me want to play Terran.

Edit: So now TvP ez mode?

depend on the map, some maps are very easy for meching like shakura (because its easy to secure natural very fast). but some maps its hard as fuck.
still, my tvp winrate is garbage.

 

[Forgotten_Taco]

depend on the map, some maps are very easy for meching like shakura (because its easy to secure natural very fast). but some maps its hard as fuck.
still, my tvp winrate is still garbage though.

Without seeing any of your games I can safely say you need more ghosts.

 

[Q8D3vil]

Without seeing any of your games I can safely say you need more ghosts.

lol.
i do ghost with mech in tvp

 

[jersoc]

man, how the hell do you learn how to control your army for an engagement? i swear to god I just get destroyed every damn time because everything comes in so late. like this last game I had a crap ton of units and 6 festors. I move my lings and roaches in and then infestors to fungal and before i got a fungal off shit was dead already. This continues to lose me games.

Im thinking of just going back to ling/bling/muta for ZvT, but then infestors would still be needed for protoss to whatever. Should I just move as a big force then fungal with infestors or what? Maybe my shitty apm doesn't allow me to do this. I don't know.

 

[MrKnives]

man, how the hell do you learn how to control your army for an engagement? i swear to god I just get destroyed every damn time because everything comes in so late. like this last game I had a crap ton of units and 6 festors. I move my lings and roaches in and then infestors to fungal and before i got a fungal off shit was dead already. This continues to lose me games.

Im thinking of just going back to ling/bling/muta for ZvT, but then infestors would still be needed for protoss to whatever. Should I just move as a big force then fungal with infestors or what? Maybe my shitty apm doesn't allow me to do this. I don't know.

First of all start calling them brofestors, they function better that way. Second is you just need to be faster.
Of course you can just put everything in one groupd and A move. Infestors should be the main casters so you can A-move and fungal everything with few clicks.

 

[jersoc]

oh my bad, brofestors. guess i just have to keep playing then. sounds like i got the idea must terrible, terrible execution.

 

[TheThunder]

Proleague finals

KT vs SKT1

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/nanashin

 

[Dooraven]

SPL, GSTL and IEM on at the same time. *faints*

 

[Holden]

isn't pure mech garb vs toss? don't you get like 2 stargate when you see 3-4 fact and its an auto win?
cause i never play vs a player who does pure mech

 

[Vaporak]

Proleague finals

KT vs SKT1

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/nanashin

There a Proleague thread?

 

[MrKnives]

isn't pure mech garb vs toss? don't you get like 2 stargate when you see 3-4 fact and its an auto win?
cause i never play vs a player who does pure mech

Appereantly Mech + Ghost is the new shit. Terrans finally figured out that ghost is guuuuud.

 

[Holden]

Appereantly Mech + Ghost is the new shit. Terrans finally figured out that ghost is guuuuud.

ya, ghost is the reason i dont get immortals in pvt, waste of money since they dont have the shield anymore.

 

[Q8D3vil]

isn't pure mech garb vs toss? don't you get like 2 stargate when you see 3-4 fact and its an auto win?
cause i never play vs a player who does pure mech

the good thing about mech you have all the tech tree open so if i see stargate i can get viking immediately and kill all of your air.

Appereantly Mech + Ghost is the new shit. Terrans finally figured out that ghost is guuuuud.

until we see someone beside goody use it in a real tournament its not that good.
there is a lot of stuff that can be done with mech but a lot of players seems to be happy with bio ( can't blame them for having godly micro).

 

[Holden]

the good thing about mech you have all the tech tree open so if i see stargate i can get viking immediately and kill all of your air.


until we see someone beside goody use it in a real tournament its not that good.
there is a lot of stuff that can be done with mech but a lot of players seems to be happy with bio ( can't blame them for having godly micro).

voids rape vikings,

same for phenix

edit : no wonder goody fucking blows, pure mech does too t.t

 

[V_Arnold]

voids rape vikings,

same for phenix

edit : no wonder goody fucking blows, pure mech does too t.t

You do not have a clue, do you?
Mass phoenix can kill smaller number of vikings, but that is it. Against Voids, you just shoot 1-2 down, run away a little, shoot again, run, shoot again. Vikings pwn both.

 

[Q8D3vil]

voids rape vikings,

same for phenix

edit : no wonder goody fucking blows, pure mech does too t.t

but we are not talking about viking alone here, viking + emp + thor = gg void ray.
and like arnold said, you have no clue at all on what are you talking about.

about goody, Tournament Roundup - Aug 1-14 2011

 

[Striek]

The answer is carriers. Except then they just build 4 rax, get a modest amount of marines, and laugh as all your interceptors die and you have floating piles of garbage.

(Real answer is speedlots+immortals+archons+templar+stalkers, aww yeah, except ghosts ruin your day, but ghosts ruin your day no matter what you have or what composition terrans going if they get the EMPs off)

 

[Q8D3vil]

The answer is carriers. Except then they just build 4 rax, get a modest amount of marines, and laugh as all your interceptors die and you have floating piles of garbage.

(Real answer is speedlots+immortals+archons+templar+stalkers, aww yeah, except ghosts ruin your day, but ghosts ruin your day no matter what you have or what composition terrans going if they get the EMPs off)

then just feedback the ghost.
if you let terran emp your hts then he have a better micro than you anyway since feedback is easier to hit than emps.

 

[Vaporak]

then just feedback the ghost.
if you let terran emp your hts then he have a better micro than you anyway since feedback is easier to hit than emps.

Wait what, I'd like to hear your rational for that.

 

[Tntnnbltn]

then just feedback the ghost.
if you let terran emp your hts then he have a better micro than you anyway since feedback is easier to hit than emps.

Wat.

 

[Pancakes]

voids rape vikings,

same for phenix

Maybe if you a-move like a idiot.

But with proper control and (usually) a small amount of marines underneath, Vikings dominate every other air unit in the game.

 

[Holden]

omg!!!!

goody beat random craftcup#69!! and go4sc2!!
even deezer is up there...

Maybe if you a-move like a idiot.

But with proper control and (usually) a small amount of marines underneath, Vikings dominate every other air unit in the game.

phoenix fucking rape viks

 

[Striek]

then just feedback the ghost.
if you let terran emp your hts then he have a better micro than you anyway since feedback is easier to hit than emps.

What is this I don't even.

Range - EMP beats feedback (by 2!). Snipe beats feedback by 1.
Cost - AoE vs. Single-target.
Vision - The big terran advantage. Observers vs. ability to scan for obs/armies and NEVER, EVER be caught off guard by templar. We see the best Korean terrans are for the most part doing this, verrrrry rarely do they get feedback'd now. Bonus points for scanning, killing obs with a couple vikings, cloaking ghosts and emp'ing the whole army like a boss. Combine with sensor tower for additional lulz.


It is 100% the terrans fault if they get feedback'd. Its merely a shame if the protoss gets EMP'd, but there you have it.

 

[Q8D3vil]

What is this I don't even.

Range - EMP beats feedback (by 2!). Snipe beats feedback by 1.
Cost - AoE vs. Single-target.
Vision - The big terran advantage. Observers vs. ability to scan for obs/armies and NEVER, EVER be caught off guard by templar. We see the best Korean terrans are for the most part doing this, verrrrry rarely do they get feedback'd now. Bonus points for scanning, killing obs with a couple vikings, cloaking ghosts and emp'ing the whole army like a boss. Combine with sensor tower for additional lulz.


It is 100% the terrans fault if they get feedback'd. Its merely a shame if the protoss gets EMP'd, but there you have it.

feedback can't miss and it will kill the ghost if he have more than 120 energy plus its only 50 energy.
but i can understand, most protosses right now have terrible micro (i've noticed that lately in the gsl).
but check Mana, he is awesome, he always seems to have a full vision of the map with observers and he always feedback the ghosts like crazy.

omg!!!!

goody beat random craftcup#69!! and go4sc2!!
even deezer is up there...

yeah, except most of top EU pro's enter these small tournaments so its not like winning NA tournament because NA pro's rather do coaching lessons than entering small tournament since they get more money from that.

 

[zoukka]

you can just click the target with feedback and it autohits unless something kills the templar.

 

[Striek]

you can just click the target with feedback and it autohits unless something kills the templar.

You can do the same thing with queued snipes. You can practically do it with EMP too given how slow templar are and how fast EMP is, unless your talking about HT moving in from very far ranges, which is impractical.

Edit: Fun fact I just learned because it was brought up by MrBitter on the IEM stream. You can minimap feedback, but you can actually use all spells on the minimap. Snipe, feedback, EMP, storm, fungal and neural parasite. And its hard as hell to actually do since you need to click on the small unit dot.

 

[Pandaman]

phoenix fucking rape viks

??

they have like the same health, but vikings do double the damage and have twicce the range.

 

[Q8D3vil]

??

they have like the same health, but vikings do double the damage and have twicce the range.

phoenix beat viking cost wise but when there is empes everything change.

 

[Holden]

phoenix beat viking cost wise but when there is empes everything change.

thats like saying, when there is storm everything changes

but ya, phenix win 1:1 vik

 

[Pandaman]

phoenix beat viking cost wise but when there is empes everything change.

?
in a 1v1 fight, both units die.
phoenix cost 25 gas more.

 

[Q8D3vil]

thats like saying, when there is storm everything changes

but ya, phenix win 1:1 vik

yeah, emp operate like a storm in tvp but it doesn't work like that in tvz

 

[Holden]

yeah, emp operate like a storm in tvp but it doesn't work like that in tvz

im so sorry that ghost can't win you every matchup

Spoiler

oh wait they can

 

[Striek]

Phoenix don't beat vikings for cost, phoenixes beat vikings 1v1 by a single shot, but vikings cost 25 gas less. Its pretty much a wash.

Edit: Oh panda already addressed this, but I'm pretty sure phoenixes juuuust survive a 1v1 fight with vikings, whereas its Vikings vs. Corruptors where both die.

 

[Q8D3vil]

?
in a 1v1 fight, both units die.
phoenix cost 25 gas more.

just tried 1v1 and phoenix survive with 20 health.

 

[Q8D3vil]

im so sorry that infestors can't win you every matchup oh wait they can

fixed

 

[Holden]

fixed

both work.

 

[Pandaman]

just tried 1v1 and phoenix survive with 20 health.

only happens if both units are moving towards each other. if one is stationary the viking gets one last shot in and both die.

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

Ohshiiiiiiii time for the ace match.


Best? Seriously?

gg SKT