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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT3| GL HF NO GG
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mescalineeyes
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Patch notes sure do a good job of seperating the knowledgable from the, erm, lesser players.
Dooraven said:Shush holden, if david kim reads this he'll undo all the protoss buffs
So are you going to go back to protoss after this patch?
fuckya, i'll be playing on the PTR, hope its live soon.
HSM seems insanely strong now
like barely any protoss unit outrun HSM, only the pheonix, wtf!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Wait... why so many pages since I went to bed?
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Hugoboss21 said:fuckya, i'll be playing on the PTR, hope its live soon.
HSM seems insanely strong now
like barely any protoss unit outrun HSM, only the pheonix, wtf!
I wouldn't worry about it too much it's a pretty big investment. Though it may have it's uses in late game TvP.
Q8D3vil said:lets see if people will still bitch about 111 >
Did they really even change anything for that? slighty slower rax but that's it. Ofc immortal range will help but I wonder if it really changed anything that much.
Now maybe will even see HSM researched before moving out
would be awesomemescalineeyes
Banned
So the good news is terran can keep spamming marines vs Zerg since 3-4 medivacs + combat shields will do much better vs fungal now.
Yay!
Yay!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I'm about to commit suicide, wake up to Yun nerf and this piece of shit patch note? Fuck you Slayers, what have you DONE
Please... PLEASE someone tell me if blue flame will two shot workers still?
Please... PLEASE someone tell me if blue flame will two shot workers still?
MrKnives said:Did they really even change anything for that? slighty slower rax but that's it. Ofc immortal range will help but I wonder if it really changed anything that much.
Now maybe will even see HSM researched before moving out
I think the sentry change will help quite a lot too. Though we'll wait and see, Protoss will be doing new builds with the immortal buff. If it's still broken Blizzard will probably change something.
If you upgrade +1 mech it'll two shot Probes and Drones but not SCVs.
V_Arnold said:Let us be honest, the risk-reward of a mineral-only unit getting to your base and HALVING your income for the next few minutes were not really balanced. Not at all. That is the same for TVT also. Bullshit, just like unnerfed fungal, but in other ways
I do have to say that when I played TvT they were a pain in the ass. I always had sick simcity just because of bfh but they always manage to find a way. Early you can defend ok but later in the game one good drop can change the game completely.
And if he manages to burn your mineral line to a crisp. It's not like you can do some crazy counter attack into his siege line. You just sit there and take it.
I don't like bfh as terran, not as protoss or as zerg. Like you said, they were a silly 100mineral unit that can change the whole game completely around for 200minerals because it's not like losing them does anything, just make more of them.
Q8D3vil said:
hmmm, i think the immortal buff helps alot vs the 111 build
Imo the game will be balanced if this final patch, but thats from a protoss view but i dunno what a zerg feels like atm hopefully the ultra buff makes them happy enough.
yoshi ignored me, how cute
lol stop changing ur goddamn avatar devil all the time T.T
Interesting patch. I think the drone attack bug being fixed is actually the biggest one, bunker rushes and pylon blocks should now be easier to stop.
Immortal changes makes it even more likely someone will stumble in to the amazing immortal/ht combo in pvz and win every match they play.
Warp prism change probably makes them imbalanced, i expect they will one day pull the shields back to 70 or something.
Terran changes are strange, they dont really achieve that much. 5 Seconds on a rax is not much and i dont know why they did it, maybe 11/11 rax? bfh are still awesome. Seeker missle sounds like a fun change but it draws a big line to the unit its targetted at, its trivial to select that unit and move it away.
Zerg changes: dimaga to win every tournament.
Immortal changes makes it even more likely someone will stumble in to the amazing immortal/ht combo in pvz and win every match they play.
Warp prism change probably makes them imbalanced, i expect they will one day pull the shields back to 70 or something.
Terran changes are strange, they dont really achieve that much. 5 Seconds on a rax is not much and i dont know why they did it, maybe 11/11 rax? bfh are still awesome. Seeker missle sounds like a fun change but it draws a big line to the unit its targetted at, its trivial to select that unit and move it away.
Zerg changes: dimaga to win every tournament.
AdventureRacing
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I love going for timing attacks. I kinda hate the attitude that macro games are the only way to play.
Lol.
Yoshichan said:
Lol.
i've talked to many terran at my level and they all recommended going for all in because you have to be 10 times better your opponent if you want to play a macro game with mmm.Yoshichan said:
even my high master coach who play all races (protoss on the ladder) said that in tvp terran need to do 10 things and protoss only 2 things to win which which make it way harder for terran (but he said that he think its a balance match).
i even tried full mech in tvp but it only works sometime because most of the protoss players don't know how to handle it.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Believe it or not, some people are actually trying to get better at this game. It actually requires you to use your brain to become a good terran, unlike the other races.zoukka said:
Yeah so basically MC hasn't really helped improve HuK's play at all. Pretty weird, though I think jinro practices with oGs players a lot, so maybe it's partly due to huk just preferring to grind on ladder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhwrrJ4VZ5o
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Ahh, that was refreshing. Time to get serious.
This is definitely a big buff and guess what? Immortals needed this. Good for toss-players.
Please shut the fuck up, I'm Marinechan.
When BFH became "the shit", I stayed loyal to the true unit of this game. It was inevitable that a nerf would show up. Dropping a bunch of BFH mid/late-game against any race is something I always loved to do and this patch won't change anything since I'll have the +1 or even +2 upgrade by that time of the game (and I'll still be able to 2-shot workers).
Also, no one will go BFH early now considering the cost. It's a huge investment for 5 extra damage, are you kidding me? Please reevaluate your life David Kim. Make it 100/100 or something.
Fungal will still two shot marines (ignore medivacs for this discussion) so the nerf won't affect that. I feel this is mostly a TvZ and TvP change. Then again, maybe we'll see a change to Infestor/Brood-combo now that Vikings takes one more fungal to kill.
This is very, very interesting. I definitely want to see a side-by-side comparison. Anyone got the PTR wanna do us this favor? Interesting to see why exactly Blizzard did this. Did they change it so that preparing to use forcefield at ramp should be harder?
3 gate robo just became even safer than it is right now (ignore 111 for a sec). Since marines got 5 range and marauders got 6 range, I jumped into Unit Test Map to see how much difference this will be for the immortal. It's huge:
This is definitely a big buff and guess what? Immortals needed this. Good for toss-players.
Hehe. I'm trying to compare it to another flying unit but no other unit is in range of 1.375. The Battlecruiser acceleration is 1.00 so it's slightly faster than that. Interesting change, but this won't change any PvX strategies unfortunately. The Mothership is still a joke.
People saying this is a huge nerf is wrong. Blink timings was never scary. If anything, blink stalkers are really scary late game (when there are 30+ stalkers). One of the few people that will be affected by this is White-Ra who goes 3 gate blink stalkers against 4 gate. I saw his stream yesterday and he barely manages to defend as his blink gets finished. He'll have to reevaluate his anti-4gate now.
I've always, always agreed on the Warp Prism being too weak. It'll now take four hits to completely deplete the shield with a Viking. Shit still needs armor +1 if you ask me. Maybe nerf shield to 70 and put armor +1?
I'm not going to overreact. I'm mostly just interested to know how this will affect anything except for maybe 11-Rax/Rax. For me, this is just an irritating change because going Orbital Command just as the Rax completes is always perfectly timed (and I end up with exactly 0 minerals). With this change, I'll have some spare minerals over. Woo! ... or something ._.
"Bubububu, Yoshi. You mad that you can't instantly win against Zerg now?"
Please shut the fuck up, I'm Marinechan.
When BFH became "the shit", I stayed loyal to the true unit of this game. It was inevitable that a nerf would show up. Dropping a bunch of BFH mid/late-game against any race is something I always loved to do and this patch won't change anything since I'll have the +1 or even +2 upgrade by that time of the game (and I'll still be able to 2-shot workers).
Also, no one will go BFH early now considering the cost. It's a huge investment for 5 extra damage, are you kidding me? Please reevaluate your life David Kim. Make it 100/100 or something.
Sky Terran is boring as fuck. This won't help the situation.
Another uninspiring thing of Blizzard to do. Come to think of it, Blizzard's quite a terrible developer. Whenever there's someone complaining about something in either of their games (be it WoW, SCII or future Diablo III), they will change it to please the angry, sweaty keyboard warriors. But they'll change it in a boring fashioned way, typical Blizzard-style.
Fungal will still two shot marines (ignore medivacs for this discussion) so the nerf won't affect that. I feel this is mostly a TvZ and TvP change. Then again, maybe we'll see a change to Infestor/Brood-combo now that Vikings takes one more fungal to kill.
HotS will end up coming and Overseers will disappear from this game... so I don't give a shit. Boring, uninspiring unit.
Unnecessary. Or did someone complain that this was imbalanced?
No comments... except grats to you (three?) people who uses ultralisks?
Fucking finally. Now people will actually understand that my high APM is legit APM and not spam bullshit.
This is cute, I literally did the :3 smiley IRL when I read this.
TheThunder
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wow huge changes !!
I agree on the Immortal and HSM change, both were much needed.
I don't understand the rax change though, feels unnecessary.
I agree on the Immortal and HSM change, both were much needed.
I don't understand the rax change though, feels unnecessary.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Calm down fanboi, did you literally stop reading as soon as you saw that one bolded part?
It's common knowledge for anyone that have played D2, WoW or SCII that Blizzard's bad at changing something drastically. The infestor nerf is one of those "boring" nerfs.
It's common knowledge for anyone that have played D2, WoW or SCII that Blizzard's bad at changing something drastically. The infestor nerf is one of those "boring" nerfs.
PhoenixDark
Banned
syllogism said:
And look how much that has helped Jinro...
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