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[Dooraven]

only when zerg and protoss hit 200 army, as long zerg hit 200 ( they usually hit 200 while protoss is 130) zerg can sacrifice roaches while denying expos and build a tier 3 army.

Well yeah, doesn't mean that the roach is a well designed "zerg" unit though.

 

[Q8D3vil]

Well yeah, doesn't mean that the roach is a well designed "zerg" unit though.

yeah, just do what i do and imagine that WOL is just a very long beta.

 

[fanboi]

adding vultures will make tvp and tvz way more interesting, but it will make tvt way longer too


only when zerg and protoss hit 200 army, as long zerg hit 200 ( they usually hit 200 while protoss is 130) zerg can sacrifice roaches while denying expos and build a tier 3 army.

If you let Zerg get 200 while you are still at 130 then you are doing something wrong as a protoss.

 

[Dooraven]

If you let Zerg get 200 while you are still at 130 then you are doing something wrong as a protoss.

Not really, Zerg maxes out with pure roach at around 130 supply/ Roach Hydra around 150 and Roach Hydra Corrupter around 160. This is because of the supply numbers of the roach artificially inflate the proper strength of the Zerg army, it is balanced by the fact that colossus and forcefeilds allow the protoss to win engagements when they're 50 supply behind a roach corrupter army. A 200/200 army of stalker colossus destorys any zerg roach hydra corrupter army, but it falls drastically when the zerg obtains the broodlord infestor deathcloud where then the roles of protoss and zerg are reversed and the protoss should move to a mothership/blinkstalker/warp prism army to abuse the immobility of the deathcloud and eventually transition into archon toilet etc.

Of course this is compeltley diffrent when you're facing muta ling.

 

[fanboi]

Not really, Zerg maxes out with pure roach at around 130 supply/ Roach Hydra around 150 and Roach Hydra Corrupter around 160. This is because of the supply numbers of the roach artificially inflate the proper strength of the Zerg army, it is balanced by the fact that colossus and forcefeilds allow the protoss to win engagements when they're 50 supply behind a roach corrupter army. A 200/200 army of stalker colossus destorys any zerg roach hydra corrupter army, but it falls drastically when the zerg obtains the broodlord infestor deathcloud where then the roles of protoss and zerg are reversed and the protoss should move to a mothership/blinkstalker/warp prism army to abuse the immobility of the deathcloud and eventually transition into archon toilet etc.

Of course this is compeltley diffrent when you're facing muta ling.

If you do straight up macro and no aggro games then yes.

Usually some sort of timing, all in, harass happens which skews the balance.

 

[Yoshichan]

F U

Your gas is super cheap, make your way to Sweden Let's go!

 

[Mairu]

Anyone bored enough to assist me in creating cheerfuls for Blizzcon/GSL that I can display on my tablet for next weekend?! I have no skills in the visual arts

 

[MrKnives]

I still won't listen any Protoss complaints about balance until they start using Warp Prisms. I don't know will they change anything or not but the lack of trying is disturbing.

 

[Q8D3vil]

I still won't listen any Protoss complaints about balance until they start using Warp Prisms. I don't know will they change anything or not but the lack of trying is disturbing.

They lack the multitasking obviously.

 

[Keikaku]

Anyone bored enough to assist me in creating cheerfuls for Blizzcon/GSL that I can display on my tablet for next weekend?! I have no skills in the visual arts

I wouldn't mind helping.

PM me.

 

[Dooraven]

I still won't listen any Protoss complaints about balance until they start using Warp Prisms. I don't know will they change anything or not but the lack of trying is disturbing.

Uh, Warp prisms have been used heavily since 1.4. I dunno which games you have been watching because JYP, HerO, MC, Whitera etc all are using warp prisms a lot in PvZ. PvT is a bit less but loads of protosses are using warp prism storms etc. 1.4 should help PvZ a ton and the stats I'm expecting will reflect that soon, but PvT is going to be screwed for a while.

 

[Mairu]

I wouldn't mind helping.

PM me.

yay~ <3

 

[AdventureRacing]

Uh, Warp prisms have been used heavily since 1.4. I dunno which games you have been watching because JYP, HerO, MC, Whitera etc all are using warp prisms a lot in PvZ. PvT is a bit less but loads of protosses are using warp prism storms etc. 1.4 should help PvZ a ton and the stats I'm expecting will reflect that soon, but PvT is going to be screwed for a while.

It's a lot more risky in PvT because marines are very good anti air (whereas until lair zerg players are relying on queens and spores). I think the huge range of vikings and the fact that they are pretty standard for the matchup also makes things difficult.

I think we will see them a little in PvT but nothing like in PvZ.

 

[MrKnives]

Uh, Warp prisms have been used heavily since 1.4. I dunno which games you have been watching because JYP, HerO, MC, Whitera etc all are using warp prisms a lot in PvZ. PvT is a bit less but loads of protosses are using warp prism storms etc. 1.4 should help PvZ a ton and the stats I'm expecting will reflect that soon, but PvT is going to be screwed for a while.

When has MC used a warp prism? I don't think there is a warp prism in 4gate. Except that one pathetic attempt in PvP.

"Heavily used", are you freaking kidding me. I'm happy if I see even 1/10 protoss players use them in tournaments like IPL, IEM or MLG.

The games I have seen JYP, Hero, Whitera, Gator yesterday all used warp prism I agree with you but you want to know the funny thing? All games I've seen where they use warp prisms they have actually won.
Go figure.

Granted that's probably not the case with all games but my point was that if they get such a good results with warp prisms why the names you mentioned are pretty much only protoss players that uses them?

 

[Dooraven]

IEM v Select where everyone said "wow" and then against puma where it failed miserably because of a slight misclick. We haven't really seen much else of MC because well MC is in Code B and hasn't attended many tournaments since getting kicked out but he used it while streaming. (Granted that wasn't 1.4)

I'm including the KR weekly in "Heavily used" because thats one of the few tournaments left which has protosses in it that don't get knocked out of the first couple of rounds, and a lot of them are using warp prisms decently enough. Even ToD used a lot of them against Nerchio in the Samsung Championship. It's a bit shortsighted to use only major LANs as indicators when the patch just came out.

Also the Patch just came out, so give them a tad bit of time to actually show the strats and late game prism useage.

Like I said, 1.4 is a major buff for PvZ and should actually help PvZ loads, but it's not going to do much for PvT.

 

[Hazaro]

IEM v Select where everyone said "wow" and then against puma where it failed miserably because of a slight misclick. We haven't really seen much else of MC because well MC is in Code B and hasn't attended many tournaments since getting kicked out but he used it while streaming. (Granted that wasn't 1.4)

I'm including the KR weekly in "Heavily used" because thats one of the few tournaments left which has protosses in it that don't get knocked out of the first couple of rounds, and a lot of them are using warp prisms decently enough. Even ToD used a lot of them against Nerchio in the Samsung Championship. It's a bit shortsighted to use only major LANs as indicators when the patch just came out.

Also the Patch just came out, so give them a tad bit of time to actually show the strats and late game prism useage.

Like I said, 1.4 is a major buff for PvZ and should actually help PvZ loads, but it's not going to do much for PvT.

HT in speed prism is pretty good.

 

[Dooraven]

Jesus Fruitdealer is awful. This has got to be the first time that a Protoss maxes before a zerg in that matchup lol

 

[Holden]

HT in speed prism is pretty good.

panda laughed at me when i said that...i'm still wondering why

 

[MrKnives]

If this is true then forget forGG, iloveOOv is here bitches

 

[Holden]

An other terran!

 

[PhoenixDark]

lol BW Terrans must know how imbalanced the race is and want to cash in before Blizz reacts

 

[cdyhybrid]

lol BW Terrans must know how imbalanced the race is and want to cash in before Blizz reacts

What do you mean? It's clear that the good players only play Terran, and that's why they win.

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

I shudder to think what oov would be able to do with how easy SC2 macro is compared to BW.

 

[Hazaro]

I shudder to think what oov would be able to do with how easy SC2 macro is compared to BW.

Can't be much more since SC II macro is ez mode.

 

[Yoshichan]

BW macro is ezier

almost as ez as Age of Empires 2 macro

 

[Hazaro]

BW macro is ezier

almost as ez as Age of Empires 2 macro

SC II players would commit suicide over 4+ base BW macro.
"What do you mean I have to keep clicking on all my unit making structures???"

 

[Dooraven]

You mean not only do I have to rally my probes but I have to move them there physically? Buggy game is buggy, this game is horrible, how do people play it. lol

 

[Yoshichan]

SC II players would commit suicide over 4+ base BW macro.
"What do you mean I have to keep clicking on all my unit making structures???"

Shit still blew my mind when I started up BW a year ago.

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

BW is hard man.

 

[Haunted]

SC II players would commit suicide over 4+ base BW macro.
"What do you mean I have to keep clicking on all my unit making structures???"

Yeah, BW's UI is pretty bad. It's like playing football with your legs tied together.


Still loved the game. Landmark title in its time.

 

[Holden]

fuck all the bw haters

 

[Hazaro]

Yeah, BW's UI is pretty bad. It's like playing football with your legs tied together.

Imagine a league with people who play this way because they train for hours a day.
The sport would be glorious.

 

[Yoshichan]

fuck all the bw haters

There are no BW haters in here

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

Imagine a league with people who play this way because they train for hours a day.
The sport would be glorious.

Might as well be watching people with their legs tied together.

 

[Haunted]

^^ sick burn

Imagine a league with people who play this way because they train for hours a day.
The sport would be glorious.

And then let them loose in a game where they can finally use both legs! That's iloveoov and forgg moving over.


edit: forgg took 3rd place in the first Korean weekly he participated in. Pretty good.

 

[ShallNoiseUpon]

^^ sick burn

I watch more soccer than any sport and more MLS than any other league and the team I support is the worst in the league.

 

[Haunted]

Watching IEM and I can't help but notice how utterly fucked MrBitterdam seem. They look and sound so damn tired.

I watch more soccer than any sport and more MLS than any other league and the team I support is the worst in the league.

A sadist, eh? That's fine, I don't judge.

Spoiler

Seriously though, it's awesome to support the hometown team/local scene.

 

[syllogism]

Oh my god IEM, thought Carmack was trolling

 

[PhoenixDark]

BW is hard man.

Nah, just poorly designed

 

[ultron87]

Can we have a fight about auto-mining somehow making SC2 a worse game?

It'll be like the old days.

 

[syllogism]

To people who weren't watching:

TT1 played against Gatored in quarterfinals and won 3-0. Soon after Carmack showed up and said there was a referee error (everyone had grumbled about this whole day) and TT1 was supposed to play against DRG, so the matches didn't count and he'll have to play again tomorrow

 

[Holden]

Can we have a fight about auto-mining somehow making SC2 a worse game?

it does.

 

[Yoshichan]

it does.

imo you need to manually control every worker. So basically,

1: Click the worker.
2: Click on the mineral patch.
3: When he arrives, press Q to start mining.
4: Press Q multiple times to mine at a faster rate.
5: When he's finished mining, click the command center and press Q again.
6: Repeat process.

Oh, and there's auto-mining for protoss. They need the handicap.

 

[Won]

To people who weren't watching:

TT1 played against Gatored in quarterfinals and won 3-0. Soon after Carmack showed up and said there was a referee error (everyone had grumbled about this whole day) and TT1 was supposed to play against DRG, so the matches didn't count and he'll have to play again tomorrow

Since TT1 beat Gatored easily and Gatored beat DRG, this should be no problem for TT1!

 

[Tntnnbltn]

imo you need to manually control every worker. So basically,

1: Click the worker.
2: Click on the mineral patch.
3: When he arrives, press Q to start mining.
4: Press Q multiple times to mine at a faster rate.
5: When he's finished mining, click the command center and press Q again.
6: Repeat process.

WTF?! That's so inefficient. Why the fuck would you do that?!

Spoiler

You should press C to return cargo, not click the Command Center

 

[Keikaku]

Can we have a fight about auto-mining somehow making SC2 a worse game?

It'll be like the old days.

I never understood this argument.

Because needing to manually queue your workers somehow makes it a better game. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

In the same vein, I propose that we take away mouselook and mandate that all FPS games from now on have locked axis' of movement. This will, magically, make every FPS better. Don't ask how-just accept that terrible UI and game design actually makes it a better game.

 

[Holden]

all the slight tricks to mine faster were removed from the game T.T

 

[Yoshichan]

WTF?! That's so inefficient. Why the fuck would you do that?!

Spoiler

You should press C to return cargo, not click the Command Center

Shit, you're right! Sorry!

 

[Haunted]

Nah, just poorly designed

That's not a contradiction!

Also, it was great design in 1998. Now... not so much.

Oh my god IEM, thought Carmack was trolling

Carmac's humour is so deadpan, I still thought he was joking well after his first apology. >_>

Not that big of a deal though. Except that this means there's a possibility for an all-Korean final (oh noes). And TT1 probably being pissed - while Gatored is happy.

 

[zargle]

Carmack's humour is so deadpan, I still thought he was joking well after his first apology. >_>

Not that big of a deal though. Except that this means there's a possibility for an all-Korean final (oh noes). And TT1 probably being pissed - while Gatored is happy.

But seriously, how hard is it to eff up a bracket? I mean, c'mon....