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Starfield has 'Mixed' reviews on Steam (Up: 'Recent' reviews are Mostly Negative)
the shills are annoying but the mental breakdown and denial is understandable.
they were uber-hyped for years to believe
game supposed to be a cultural phenomenon, repeat of skyrim, gotg etc. etc.
honestly i’d be surprised if anyone is still talking about it two months after release at this point.
Elysium44
Banned
Starfield Steam user reviews keep slowly improving, it may end becoming the game of the week in Steam:
75.9% now.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
How is it dropping so fast
zeldaring
Banned
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Probably people like me who are pissed off at how stupidly broken it is. FFS game has not true full screen mode. Assholes have no clue how easy it is for a PC to get weird with video. I give it a 2/100 for that even thought I kind of like the game. I just hate the assholes who gave me a game that I can't optimize from settings and have to use ini editing to get a full screen. Assholes, assholes, assholes.
lefty1117
Gold Member
So weird. I am totally inhaling the game into my pores, when I'm not playing it I'm thinking about the next time I'll play it. It's 100% up my alley. Could it be better? Yeah of course. Am I having a great time with it? Yup. The things that are bothering other people so much are barely annoyances to me.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
If you completely ignore what they've said and marketed, and kept your expectations to just Fallout 4 with a space skin. Then it's a good game. Enjoy it. Others fell for bethesda lies and had different expectations. But the fault isn't on them, it's bethesda constantly lying,exaggerating, hiding gameplay and being purposely vague and misleading.
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feynoob
Banned
It's on fans that hyped the game.
Maybe actual talk the real issues that people are having with the game.
The game menu is garbage. There is a lot of loading screen. Quest is bland for some people. That is the main issue for the game.
Space flying isn't that bad considering there is a lot of open space in the space.
As for exploration on planets, that sucks badly. Even that is not a problem, compared to the gameplay issues.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
After a few hours of Starfield, I realized Bethesda games still are just not for me in general.
I can't stand the dialogue option crap. The options are always like 1. ass kissing 2. bad attempt at a joke 3. hostile for no reason 4. why am i here to begin with
I just can't after awhile. I even thought the gameplay was pretty good. I liked the running with the jet pack and the gunplay. But I can't.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The exact same scenario played out during the HD DVD vs Blu-ray format war. Look that history up sometime. MS is employing the exact same playbook here trying to flood the zone with their bullshit to crowd out reality. Unfortunately for MS, gamers are used to being treated like shit by society and know how to fight back. They won't get their way with gamers so easily at they did with spinning shiny round disc movie watchers.
In the end, MS lost and Blu-ray won. The arc of history bends towards justice. Sometimes it takes forever though.
Topher
Identifies as young
Update:
47,1k reviews overall: 76% positive
17.9k reviews from those who purchased the game outside Steam: 70% positive
29.1.7k review Steam purchased: 80% positive
22k reviews played over 2 hours: 80% positive
21k reviews played over 5 hours: 83% positive
19.5k reviews played over 8 hours: 85% positive
19.4k reviews played over 10 hours: 85% positive
15k reviews played over 20 hours: 87% positive
7k reviews played over 40 hours: 89% positive
Looking at other games it seems negative reviews are simply more common from non-Steam purchased reviewers.
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VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Console Warzz
yurinka
Member
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Non steam can't refund the game if they don't like it?
Slicker than your average
Banned
The entire beginning felt dull and boring. And the gunplay in the first fight seemed awful.
I'll give it another chance after I install these mods that improve performance.
I'll give it another chance after I install these mods that improve performance.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, I think that must be it. I see other games where that happens with non-Steam purchases as well.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I guess they bought it on Playstation
How does steam verify that the user even played the game if he bought it outside of Steam?Still, the discourse around the game is hilarious.
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Solidus_T
Banned
I am going to play this game when the mods are so plentiful and robust that most of the work was done by the community. That will be a blast, I'm sure.
Crayon
Member
Almost the same. Back then it was viral marketers. Over time it's shifted towards social marketing. The culture was established so all they need to do is disseminate taking points ahead of time and offer some incentives to bring on new blood like ambassador program.
TrueGrime
Member
Popped in some steam convos about the reviews and it was nothing but political conversation around being "woke".
Hilarious at how big this dumb shit is getting, but also pathetic at the same time.
Then there's the fanboys that will absolutely purchase a game to review bomb, spout wokeness shit, and then refund. It's even getting to a point where fanboys want people fired?
Like, Jesus christ. I don't listen to Alanah much, but the video she made about this and how the industry works beyond the WARZ just makes people hating on games because "my plastic box" or "wokeness" is just idiotic. Just go play the fucking games you like. How hard is it?
Hilarious at how big this dumb shit is getting, but also pathetic at the same time.
Then there's the fanboys that will absolutely purchase a game to review bomb, spout wokeness shit, and then refund. It's even getting to a point where fanboys want people fired?
Like, Jesus christ. I don't listen to Alanah much, but the video she made about this and how the industry works beyond the WARZ just makes people hating on games because "my plastic box" or "wokeness" is just idiotic. Just go play the fucking games you like. How hard is it?
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Topher
Identifies as young
I guess they bought it on Playstation
Still, the discourse around the game is hilarious.
Because the game is redeemed with a key rather than purchased directly within Steam. And the keys come from Valve's system either way.
I'd say the discourse is fairly typical for a first party game. It is what it is.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Oh, so bought outside steam reviews are from the keys? Basically when you redeem the key in steam it is treated different from the direct purchase?
Crayon
Member
The only difference to the user is that you can't return it, but they will report separately.
Topher
Identifies as young
I was going to reply but this is a good explanation.
March Climber
Gold Member
Console Warzz
That game's audience is getting a game which is exactly what they were told it would be. Todd simply spoke too much and promised too much.
TrueGrime
Member
What too much was promised by Todd? I'm curious, because at this point, the negativity surrounding Starfield right now has nothing to do with empty promises, the game's mechanics, etc.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I think the issue is that Skyrim is 10 years old now and gaming has evolved a lot since then. Skyrim was mind blowing a decade ago, but there are a lot of open world games today which are much better than Skyrim was in it's heyday. Meanwhile Bethesda seemingly hasn't evolved at all. If TES6 is still the same thing again in 2030 it's going to look like an antique compared to whatever competing open world games will look like in 2030.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nah, social wars.Console Warzz
March Climber
Gold Member
The space exploration/planet exploration stuff. The fact that people keep coming into this game expecting a space sim is a problem that Todd and their marketing team cause.
I've been adamantly telling my friends who are trying it out, to interact with it more like Mass Effect instead of expecting No Mans Sky or Star Citizen, because I've been having a lot of fun playing it that way.
TrueGrime
Member
You can't say Todd promised things because people's expectations were high. That's not his or Bethesda's fault. They were very excited about the exploration part and it delivers more than any space game which I've played to date.
Starfield walks a fine line with planet and exploration. If you go too heavy on the "sim" mechanics then you get No Man's Sky. A complete universal carbon copy, barebones exploration, intelligent life that doesn't speak, hold LT to follow your enemy in space combat and just shoot. NMS is a perfect example of a developer overpromising at release and the game absolutely not being what it was said.
No one said Starfield was a space sim. It's Bethesda. I've heard Skyrim in space so much that I can't possibly believe people thought this was going to be a full sim and I'm glad it's not, because there's no telling what this game would be missing with those components. How many full systems does Star Citizen have trying to be a complete sim? Where is Sq42? When are they going to switch to beta?
Same thing with Elite Dangerous. They focused on the space flying sim aspect so much that it release not being able to even walk around the ships that you grind for. When that finally released, it felt like a tacked on after thought and they even gave up developing for consoles that people helped kickstart when it was said and done. 90% of the planets in Elite are truly barren where you can take a week to drive around it and see only resources.
I get it. People expected a sim, but if you're going to go full sim then you're going to alienate a large portion of gamers and then your game because sim niche. Then you are sacrificing other mechanics for more sim and either end up with a game with a shitty gameplay loop with no story or an unfinished game.
reinking
Gold Member
F-me. I typed out almost the same thing. Glad I scrolled up a bit before posting.
I only differ in that I think Skyrim in space would be accepted by most people but with an updated engine. This game is just as clunky now as the over the decade old Skyrim. Thank goodness for SSD speed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They literally advertised those buzzwords around the game, "Han Solo Simulator", "Space Exploration Sim" "you can explore an entire planet" (in response to a NMS comparison on Twitter) which then people said on here and abroad that was proof you can walk around an entire planet.
Then in typical Bethesda fashion after being hype men, they let the community run wild and instead of tempering expectations, they remained their ambiguous selves and/or showed very little of what you actually did for said exploration and sim. Don't even get started on the "space combat."
For me however, I knew the writing was on the wall that this would not blow away Star Citizen, NMS, Elite Dangerous, or even Starlink in the awe of "GOAT" space exploration it was being hyped up to be... when you loaded into and out of a planet.
Sad part is, that UbiSoft Star Wars game seems like the true Han Solo Simulator. In retrospect.
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SidViscous
Member
People from Microsoft and Sony studios literally go to lunch together everyday, console wars are so weird but it seems to be tied into some deep evolutionary behaviour that defies all contextual logic. Trying to get Alanah in trouble for playing it is hilarious, these are probably the same folks who were kept awake at night with burning rage when some folk refused to play Hogwarts Legacy.
Unless you work for Nintendo, you play, and dare I say it, have fun playing, games made by your competition.
Unless you work for Nintendo, you play, and dare I say it, have fun playing, games made by your competition.
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TrueGrime
Member
LMAO. There is a literal millennium falcon ship build for the game where you can run contraband between systems, planets, cities, and settlements. Exploring galaxies, planets, and everything in the game is a sim if you want it to be. Like every Bethesda game, you become a player type and choose to live that out how you want.
There's nothing wrong with hyping a game up, but I have rarely seen a developer come out and say this is not want you're getting in the game in accord to every question asked.
The really sad part is expecting UbiSoft to deliver anything they say they're going to deliver in a game before it actually releases.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"LMAO" ok.
Humdinger
Member
I don't think the "Skyrim in space" thing is apt, because Skyrim had abundant open-world exploration, and Starfield doesn't. Skyrim wasn't full of copy/paste procedurally generated stuff, but Starfield is. Skyrim didn't have mandatory fast travel, but Starfield does. But I get the general idea -- it's a Bethesda game, so it's similar to previous Bethesda games.
Speaking of other Bethesda games, it looks like Starfield is sitting halfway between Fallout 4 and Fallout 76:
Speaking of other Bethesda games, it looks like Starfield is sitting halfway between Fallout 4 and Fallout 76:
- Fallout New Vegas : 95.24%
- Skyrim : 93.88%
- Oblivion : 93.77%
- Morrowind : 93.14%
- Fallout 4 : 81.85%
- Starfield 75.9%
- Fallout 76 : 71.73%
JTCx
Member
Sounds like something Todd Howard would say
ShadowkillXNA
Member
TrueGrime
Member
Nah. Only someone that's heavily invested in the flight and space PC sim genre so I, me, and myself know exactly how I feel about the mechanics of games in terms of exploration, flight models, ground and space combat, systems, etc. Playing so many of them you get the feeling of the limitations of each or you can, you know, read up on the description of a game and know if it's an sim, adventure, or survival and use your brain to deduce what kind of game you're going to get from there.
balls of snow
Gold Member
Yep people got fed up with the ui, empty planets, easily-over encumbrance, and general space travel by menu as they go deeper into the game. Honestly by hour 20+, you just wanna drop a tactical nuke on Bethesda office with how freaking much you go into menus in this game.
Still the allure of space theme shit and questlines that go on forever is the best thing Bethesda has done since Fallout 3.
Still the allure of space theme shit and questlines that go on forever is the best thing Bethesda has done since Fallout 3.
JTCx
Member
This game is your basic ass Bethesda rpg from early 2000s. What people were expecting is an evolution of that. Nothing has improved whatsoever aside from the graphics and even that doesnt look impressive. Todd Howard and Co. Didn't do jack shit about tempering expectations, only reinforced it. You can go ahead and keep complaining about people's expectations while I look at those steams reviews drop.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If you just ask yourself this - is Skyrim really a 93/100?
Then you'll sleep well knowing Starfield is not a 9/10 and still enjoy it.
I know what Skyrim is and I enjoyed the side quests and mod scene. It's a 7.
M1987
Member
Do they?
SidViscous
Member
Yup, the video game industry is built around hubs of people, so a lot of companies exist within walking distance of each other. It's also an industry where it's not frowned upon to jump-ship (and back!) as it helps progress your skillset and knowledge, so you end up with all these rival companies, with offices near each other, staffed by people who all know each other. Of course you still want your game to get the better metacritic scores, but nobody in the industry wants anybody else to fail, as that's our friends and ex-coworkers!
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TrueGrime
Member
I'm sure there are plenty of people like you that keep hitting refresh on user reviews and live vicariously through them, but thank god I'm not one of them or I'd have no games to play and just be on NeoGAF 22 out of 24 hours of the day.
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