mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yep! That's what I remember back then. You're right.
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Yep! That's what I remember back then. You're right.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Must have a lot less reviews for PC then as the Xbox fansites reviews are much higher than average, but the overall Xbox score is much lower.If we look at the PC side of metacritic that only has one Xbox branded site listed and the score is 87.
Starfield critic reviews
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Fan sites have always been part of the equation for first party games. Why is it different now versus any other first party game?
Topher
Identifies as young
Not really. Difference of 8 reviews.
TheGodfather07
Member
Starfield could do with some of that cinematic flare. How much of a better game would it be with realistic animations and better dialogue delivery? With characters and story you actually give a shit about? It's just so damn boring that I don't care about forwarding the story. There's no motivation to keep playing. Exploration sucks. Story and characters suck. Gameplay is basic. The gunplay isn't satisfying and weighty. They should have spent all that time developing elder scrolls VI and evolving their formula.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's weird that certain people make cinematic moments in games a bad thing now. When it's always been viewed as a good thing, if done right.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh, you just wait for Hallblade 2.
TheGodfather07
Member
They made cutscenes with good dialogue, visuals and animations? Movie game! Should have stuck with PS2 level cutscenes! That would be better!
How can massive improvements in these areas be a bad thing? Maybe if Bethesda did the same thing, starfield would be a much much better game right now.
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Madflavor
Member
never forget :
XBOXAdiccit 10/10
Genertion XBOX 9.9/10
Somos XBOX 9.8/10
Mondo XBOX 9.7/10
Pure XBOX 9/10
The XBOX Hub 9/10
XBOX era 9.7/10
The ones on the right don’t annoy me as much as the ones on the left. Giving Starfield 9.5 or 10s is some clown world shit.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Or they liked the game. Shocking huh?
Flutta
Banned
Cinematic will be cool again when Xbox does it.
Klayzer
Member
even for someone liking the game, a 10 for this, is indeed clownery.
game has glaring core issues nobody can deny, because of the fossil tech they are stuck with.
giving it a 10 is basically saying
“keep using it for next elder scrolls too, see you in a decade!”
SEGAvangelist
Member
Ya know what seems to be missing from a lot of these reviews? Comments on the sound and music in the game. We're getting one of the best game soundtracks ever with Starfield (not to mention amazing sound design), and I saw no mention of music or sound quality in the recent negative reviews.
Clownery? Lol. It's an opinion. There will indeed be people who play this game and think it's a 10 (it's an easy 9 for me so far at 50 hours or so in). Also, review scores aren't meant to be messages to developers, IMO. That's a bit pretentious.
Clownery? Lol. It's an opinion. There will indeed be people who play this game and think it's a 10 (it's an easy 9 for me so far at 50 hours or so in). Also, review scores aren't meant to be messages to developers, IMO. That's a bit pretentious.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wish they would comment on that more in game reviews as well. But oh you know, "professional reviewers."
SEGAvangelist
Member
Exactly. Try playing any game with the volume set to 0 and tell me what you think. It's a literal third of the game experience.
EDIT: I also wonder how many of these reviewers are playing in an office with the sound turned down or with lots of work distractions. That would certainly change the way I feel about a game.
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Topher
Identifies as young
How about a 4/10?
amigastar
Member
I remember sound design in Thief 1 and 2. Was really important for the game and excellently executed.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
No, it isn't.
Games in the upper 90s are not propped up because they are scored relatively similar by other sites not skewed to the brand.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Yeah. it's really cool when it's part of the gameplay, but that's big commitment for a lot of players.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
I mean.....I see 9.5 and 10/10s for HFW from PlayStation sites. How is that any different?
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
>>>>>>>>>>>>games in the upper 90s<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I thought this would have been easy to comprehend. And obviously, a PlayStation site is skewed towards Horizon.
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Topher
Identifies as young
That's my point exactly. I clearly said "first party games".
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Let me ask you this. Which review do you trust more? One from an Xbox fan excited about the game who plays it on their own time likely on a large screen with a good set of headphones? Or one from a game journalist who doesn't own an Xbox that goes into the office to play on the console they don't like to play? My guess is we're getting a lot of both of these, so the Opencritic aggregate seems fair to me. I think whatever your bias is will choose one reviewer or the other, but I know I'm more likely to agree with the Xbox fan.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I'll wait on someone who actually wants to answer the question.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's fine but my point stands whether you ignore it or not.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Def agree about the sound and music
well like it or not, its probably the “thing” that’ll light the fire under bethesdas ass in the end.
you can bet this being the worst reviewed bethesda rpg will sure have consequences next time around. and hopefully so.
you don’t get that by willfully ignoring the glaring problems and showering them 10s
SEGAvangelist
Member
Probably not, but there are more Xbox sites reviewing games now than in the past. Xbox also communicates with them a lot like Sony used to do back in 2013, so there is a strong loyalty developing on that end.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Most likely. I don't usually make purchases based on the views of reviewers, or even gamers, and am enjoying Starfield for the most part (a bit bland, but not terrible). It's just interesting to see the disparity between what came before release and now.
Topher
What I like is a good convo and you brought none. Oh well.
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Topher
Identifies as young
SEGAvangelist
Member
Steam reviews and whining on Twitch and YouTube until a consensus is formed will do a whole lot more (Bethesda is already responding based on their future updates). Also, a reviewer is there to tell someone if the game is worth playing or not, IMO.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
That's what I figured (thank you for actually engaging my question instead of responding like a drunk man taking an eye exam).
In all seriousness, the situation surrounding Starfield definitely feels like an anomaly. Either that or I just haven't noticed such a discrepancy until this.
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Madflavor
Member
Or they're full of shit. There's liking a game, and then there's publicly declaring a game with many obvious flaws that it's a 10/10, while wearing it's brand on your t-shirt.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
We good, I get what you were saying. I honestly just meant it seemed different than usual. As in, I didn't remember seeing this many Xbox sites review an exclusive before.
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Topher
Identifies as young
We good, I get what you were saying. I honestly just meant it seemed different than usual. As in, I didn't remember seeing this many Xbox sites review an exclusive before.
That's cool. I was in the process of replying that I think our posts got crossed somehow. Wasn't trying to instigate anything. All good here as well.
Robbinhood
Banned
83...this was supposed to "save" Xbox, the most important game in MS history! No way MS is happy with this result.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I dont care either way, the worlds a better place with it in it
Wesleyalucard
Member
I hope the score drops to 82 with the edge review
SEGAvangelist
Member
You're probably just in a bubble. Social media does that. It used to be the other way around with lots of PlayStation people hobnobbing with the executives. That all kind of changed once those executives started leaving or getting repositioned. Now they're very distant in comparison. Also, if you're super worried that it's inflating Xbox scores, most Xbox fans look at mainstream games media as the opposite side of that coin.That's what I figured (thank you for actually engaging my question instead of responding like a drunk man taking an eye exam).
In all seriousness, the situation surrounding Starfield definitely feels like an anomaly. Either that or I just haven't noticed such a discrepancy until this.
However you feel, I think Starfield sitting at an 85 or so is pretty fair when you factor in expectations. I think expectations always hurts Todd Howard's games more than anything else.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Oh no, it's not a big deal from that angle. I'm actually enjoying the game. But, I also get why a good chunk of folks are disappointed (at least relative to a good deal of the hype). As far as what scores it "deserves", I have no opinion on that.
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ResilientBanana
Member
The more I learn about Starfield the more I like it. The ship building and resourcing is a fun mechanic
SportsFan581
Member
There was just a major, I'd say intentional, misreading of what I originally posted there. I never made mention of or even implied anything about those that have posted reviews of the game on Steam or anywhere on the net. My comment was a direct reply to someone talking about the state of this thread (#1660424 here on NeoGAF), not public sentiment about the reviews or the game itself.
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Nothing will beat the edge of that comment.
Kerotan
Member
True plus it exposed the intentions of those review sites that gave it a 10. If MS didn't loosen the purse strings to get them this would be in the 70's. Feels like it was hyped to the wazoo and now it's come and gone.
Humdinger
Member
Yeah, it's the worst reviewed of the large, mainline Bethesda RPGs, assuming we exclude Fallout 76.
Skyrim 96 (damn, surprised it scored this high)
Oblivion 94 (ditto)
Fallout 3 93
Fallout 4 88
Morrowind 87 (my personal favorite, though it was pretty rough on Xbox)
Starfield 83
Fallout 76 49
(Those are all Xbox Metacritic scores, to keep comparisons consistent.)
p.s. I don't think the review scores will cause Bethesda to lose much sleep. As long as sales are good, I expect they will continue on their current trajectory. As a subsidiary of Microsoft now, they don't have to worry so much about their reputation or critical reception.
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graywolf323
Member
so you got me curious & I checked on Metacritic, HFW has the following 9.5/10s from PlayStation sites (I may have missed some, I had to Google a few I wasn’t sure to see if they were PlayStation focused or not such as Sixth Axis)
100s - PlayStation Lifestyle, PSX Brasil
95 - PlayStation Universe
90 - Push Square
in contrast for Starfield you have the following
100 - Xbox Addict
99 - Generación Xbox
98 - SomosXbox
97 - XboxEra, & MondoXbox
90s - True Achievement, Pure Xbox, and Windows Central (+ Xbox Achievements with an 89)
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Okay, fair enough.
But I think it's okay to talk about reviews -- positive or negative -- in the review thread. I don't believe criticizing people, or the entire thread, just because people are talking about reviews is the right thing to do.
If review scores are going down (from 88 to 83 now in 15 days), the major discourse will of course be negative.
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