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[Darker]

https://twitter.com/NYPDCommAffairs/status/540232202051915777

If they can hear you, they can shoot you.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Any reason to suspect the prosecutor's intentions here as with Ferguson?

There's such a disconnect between (white) people's perception of how society is kept safe and how it actually is kept safe, which leads to results like this. Shitty police tactics don't really help. This is an instructive example: http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/12/stop-and-frisk-fades-away-under-new-mayor-crime-goes-down-anyway

 

[Angelus Errare]

I'm seriously aiming to move to Canada in 2015. Hell I'll even renounce my citizenship if need be.

 

[Akainu]

Charles Barkley's thoughts http://youtu.be/Ukk67DOJhLA?t=3m30s

holy shit fuck this man!

 

[MIMIC]

https://twitter.com/NYPDCommAffairs/status/540232202051915777

"We just don't care, 'tis all"

 

[Tawpgun]

Ok...

In a lot of these cases there is a somewhat cloudy version of the events. It's based on conflicting eye witness cases etc. Even in Ferguson.

But this is clear as day. Wtf at the non indictment. THE VIDEO IS CRYSTAL CLEAR

 

[Zozz]

This is just so infuriating, how do we stop this madness.

Any minority in this country is exposed to this constant threat.

 

[BlackClouds]

Do people vote on whether or not blacks will be gunned down without trials by police?

Some would say that is what the law and order platform (many Democrats as well) is about. Look at any large urban political race and you'll see law and order promoted, especially in cities with large Black populations. The platform leads to Blacks being heavily policed and the police getting all the benefit of the doubt when killing them.

 

[Foggy]

I'm seriously aiming to move to Canada in 2015. Hell I'll even renounce my citizenship if need be.

Canada's better, but don't kid yourself that the same thing wouldn't happen. You're just increasing your odds somewhat.

 

[Mononoke]

Him resisting is what prompted the actions of police.

An illegal technique was used as a result of him resisting arrest. This should have resulted in an indictment at the least. Saying resisting arrest has nothing to do with this situation, being the action that started the whole thing, is moronic.

Cops are trained to deal with this. He used a technique that is banned. So while yeah, he shouldn't have resisted arrest, the bigger issue is not him resisting arrest, but a cop using a technique that he shouldn't have. And continuing to use it after the guy stopped resisting.

Saying if he didn't resist, then he wouldn't be dead...is totally victim blaming. Because what should have had happened is, if he resisted he should have been detained and not killed by a banned technique. Him resisting never should have led to this.

 

[ponpo]

These fights on CNN dang.

Also violent Americans please don't move to Canada with your violent ways ;_;

 

[anaron]

This is terrifying

 

[cyberheater]

Secondly you don't think a cop murdering a man in cold blood is comparable to a rapist?

Do you think the intention of the officer was to take the guys life or do you think he tried to restrain him but the force of the restraint killed him?

 

[jmood88]

I don't even know what to say other than this is fucking ridiculous.

 

[wildfire]

Time to put the cameras on cops.

Time to replace cops with cameras held by robots?

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[UberTag]

These fights on CNN dang.

Also violent Americans please don't move to Canada with your violent ways ;_;

I have no problem with them moving up here. They'll make fine hockey players.

 

[Mononoke]

But you speak as if the problem is one that can be fixed simply. Our courts are complicit in their crimes and our legislators and their unions anoint them of being individuals that are above the law. I believe until society at large views cops as the "other," as cops do with citizens, nothing will change.

Yeah this is what bothers me. I don't know how the system is supposed to get fixed when it's as fucked up as Washington (in terms of how entangled and fucked it all is with corruption being interwoven).

It's why I don't even see things like riots or violence as an inherently bad thing, as I do think at a certain point, you have to do something. If voting doesn't work, if the people on the whole seem to accept it and aren't doing shit, then what else can you do.

This is a basic right to life. Everyone has the right to defend their life. Just because you are a cope, doesn't give take that right to defend your life away from that person.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Do you think the intention of the officer was to take the guys life or do you think he tried to restrain him but the force of the restraint killed him?

I think he used an illegal chokehold and killed the man. The intention is irrelevant when he's been empowered by a system to uphold the law. He should be held to a FAR higher account than a civilian criminal.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

And people wonder why there are riots and why protests get crazy. At some point when do you feel like you are completely helpless?

 

[DietRob]

White people give a shit. I'm white. The Ferguson announcement bothered me last week.I got into heated arguments with people in my immediate family about it. This bothers me this week. I'll always be bothered when a human being needlessly dies.

Trust me. We're here. I am tying to understand what I personally can do to help. But know some of us do give a shit.

<3

Surprise twist. I'm a white guy too. However, I'm married to a beautiful black woman and have two amazing teenage kids. Perhaps unfortunately for them they have a darker complexion. So needless to say I've had to sit down with both of them and have 'the talk' about the police with them.

I shouldn't have to do that. None of us should have to do that. But we do it because we love our kids and don't want our kids to be the next black person that the police decides it's OK to kill.

Until society at large, and yes that means white people, give enough of a shit to do more than hashtag about it the problem will persist and my kids will have to have 'the talk' with their kids.

 

[Tony Rocky Horror]

I thought juries were there to prevent these kind of things

(not a US system, so I'm not totally familiar with your justice system, but this seems fucked up.)

 

[Angelus Errare]

Canada's better, but don't kid yourself that the same thing wouldn't happen. You're just increasing your odds somewhat.

And I'm completely fine with an increased chance of living. Being alive is sorta important to me.

 

[Frustrated_me]

The video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

Pretty unbelievable verdict.

Holy fuck.. Poor man.

 

[Exile20]

 

[Mononoke]

I think he used an illegal chokehold and killed the man. The intention is irrelevant when he's been empowered by a system to uphold the law. He should be held to a FAR higher account than a civilian criminal.

Yep. When a cop knows he's going to be protected and has a lot of rights to do whatever they want to detain someone, it empowers them to be sloppy and do whatever they feel is necessary (even if deadly or illegal) to do so.

If you know you are protected, then you are more likely to do what you want. I see this same thing with the "fear for your life" stuff. A cop doesn't have to fear for his life, but he can use that excuse if anyone challenges him. The fact that this protection exists, means that it gives cops that right to do what they want in the heat of the moment.

 

[cyberheater]

I think he used an illegal chokehold and killed the man.

I agree.

The intention is irrelevant when he's been empowered by a system to uphold the law. He should be held to a FAR higher account than a civilian criminal.

I'm not sure that's fair or workable.

 

[Cat]

SO WRONG!!!

 

[wildfire]

This is what I dont get about the protests in Ferguson.

Why wasnt the officers house the first to burn? Why target a random store and not city hall?

Actually some people did try breaking into City Hall on Night 1 of the indictment announcement.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

It's time for another "let's see the FB comments on my local area news say."


https://www.facebook.com/WNEMTV5/posts/10152395014325957

Being that there was video, I was pretty sure it would at least go to trial at some point. Hell, it's video

Already posted the Picard one but this Sisco face palm goes along perfectly for my link above.

 

[Angelus Errare]

And people wonder why there are riots and why protests get crazy. At some point when do you feel like you are completely helpless?

Something something MLK something something vote something something ignore it it'll go away.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Whatever you say.

The evidence backed up the verdict, period.

The prosecutor handled the Michael Brown case inappropriately. He presented all the evidence instead of building a case to warrant prosecution. Like others said the different eye witness accounts should have been sufficient for a trial at least.

?

Mods should be all knowing, obviously.

So blessed and thankful to be a black guy in the USA.

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

I feel the cop got off easy on that one too. I'd have to read the entire case, but two years for "accidentally" using the wrong weapon?

Yes, it was a homicide but the grand jury didn't believe it was murder. Two different things under the law.

Killing = homicide. Killing illegally = Murder. Killing legally = Homicide too but justifiable. So, there is justifiable homicide which police officers can do under certain circumstances, a license to kill some would say. Civilians also have that license under self-defense clauses.

Anyways, I don't see how this didn't get an indictment. Yes, Garner was resisting but at one point he stopped and the chokehold continued. Not only that, but the chokehold is banned as far as I know. So this officer used an inappropriate move that caused the death of someone. At least a manslaughter should have applied.

Assuming your definitions are correct, wouldn't an officer killing a civilian using a banned move be murder?

I'm not sure that's fair or workable.

People with authority, especially a weapon, should be held to a very high standards. With great power comes great responsibility.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

@Justin_Stangel
Why don't we just cut to the chase and make murder legal

Seriously.

 

[commedieu]

I agree.



I'm not sure that's fair or workable.

a officer shouldn't be held to a higher standard than willy the rapist.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Do you think the intention of the officer was to take the guys life or do you think he tried to restrain him but the force of the restraint killed him?

Intentions don't mean much when you're a power hungry, callous individual with no regard for human life.

- He used an illegal chokehold on the guy

- The guy kept saying he couldn't breath

- There is video of an officer smiling while Eric Lays face down

- When asked why they aren't doing CPR he says he's breathing when he's clearly dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT66U_Ftdng

^ The piece of shit that murdered him smiling and waving at the camera at 6:50. He knew months ago that he wasn't going to get in any trouble.

Fucking racist country makes me sick.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Are those officers still on the NYPD? If so, have they had additional training on how to freaking handle situations?

Eric Gardner was upset, but he wasn't violent towards the cops.

 

[andycapps]

Wow, this country, man. Clearly all cops aren't bad, but the ones that are, the system can't/won't touch them.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I'm not sure that's fair or workable.

When we as a society are more worried about what's fair for the Eric Garner's and less worried about what's fair for the police officers I think we'll be in a better place.

 

[kame-sennin]

Uh the law says you HAVE to let them kill you. If you don't let them, you're going to JAIL.

Not true. In practice, as we have seen, the courts will not be on your side. But according to the book, there are circumstances where it is legal to defend yourself.

Until the people start burning down the homes of people aligned with the blue mafia, there will be no change.

It's fucking tragic that things might have escalated to this point.

 

[Paches]

And people wonder why there are riots and why protests get crazy. At some point when do you feel like you are completely helpless?

Tupac said it pretty well.

 

[cyberheater]

The video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

Pretty unbelievable verdict.

That is terrible. Fuck.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

This shouldn't be possible. There's no he say she say here, there's unedited video. This should have got an indictment plain and simple.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'd like to see riots but I'm pretty sure the NYPD is bigger than most countries standing armies so I dunno how well it would go.

 

[Prezhulio]

It had been a while since I watchced the video.

I truly feel bad for anyone who says that he resisted arrest and warranted a takedown like this.

 

[arts&crafts]

Good to know. I'll be moving out of Connecticut soon.

A good time to probably get out of this corrupted country.

It happens in Toronto too. Last year there was that mentally handicapped guy alone on a bus surrounded by police who was killed.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Wow, this country, man. Clearly all cops aren't bad, but the ones that are, the system can't/won't touch them.

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

 

[Dali]

I don't know who to be angrier at:the piece of shit murderers or the worthless grand juries. Seriously how can you watch that video and not at the very least think to yourself "this needs to go to trail."

 

[Metal Goat]

So...did the US make it legal to hunt black people or am I missing something.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

The video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

Pretty unbelievable verdict.

our legal system country is sooo fucked

 

[ponpo]

Barkley on CNN again. Incoming Chaos Dunk

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

These fights on CNN dang.

Also violent Americans please don't move to Canada with your violent ways ;_;

This post is so telling.