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[Volimar]

Are those officers still on the NYPD? If so, have they had additional training on how to freaking handle situations?

Eric Gardner was upset, but he wasn't violent towards the cops.

This. Worse case scenario, Gardner could have got away. He wasn't a violent offender, there was no need to be overzealous in their attempts to apprehend him.

 

[cyberheater]

When we as a society are more worried about what's fair for the Eric Garner's and less worried about what's fair for the police officers I think we'll be in a better place.

If you held officers to a higher standard then I think they'd be all sorts of problems relative to recruitment and unions etc... I just don't think it would be workable however good the sentiment is.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

I like to hate on cops, but this is akin to Fox News blaming Muslims for not speaking up against terrorists.

 

[Exile20]

It had been a while since I watchced the video.

I truly feel bad for anyone who says that he resisted arrest and warranted a takedown like this.

Over cigs. What the hell?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The good cops who don't speak up, don't at the very least publicly distance themselves from their "bad" peers and condemn their actions, are not good cops.

 

[TheJLC]

Assuming your pretense is true, wouldn't an officer killing a civilian using a banned move be murder?

Murder would be hard to prove unless they can show the officer intended to kill Garner. Intent is really hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. A second-degree would be easier to prove but more than likely manslaughter at the minimum.

 

[Alavard]

It happens in Toronto too. Last year there was that mentally handicapped guy alone on a bus surrounded by police who was killed.

If you mean the one in which the cop absolutely unloaded on the guy (14 shots I think?), he's actually standing trial for murder.

 

[DY_nasty]

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

Probably shutting up and trying to keep their jobs

 

[wildfire]

I don't know who to be angrier at:the piece of shit murderers or the worthless grand juries. Seriously how can you watch that video and not at the very least think to yourself "this needs to go to trail."

Don't forget the prosecutor who has to tell the grand jury how to consider the evidence he/she is presenting.

 

[timetokill]

I don't know who to be angrier at:the piece of shit murderers or the worthless grand juries. Seriously how can you watch that video and not at the very least think to yourself "this needs to go to trail."

The prosecutors are getting the grand juries to think they are actual juries or something, and basically trying the case behind closed doors. They're just changing the words "not guilty" to "do not indict."

 

[Foggy]

And I'm completely fine with an increased chance of living. Being alive is sorta important to me.

Where does the entitlement end?!

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

How
How
How
How
How
WHAT

 

[Stet]

It happens in Toronto too. Last year there was that mentally handicapped guy alone on a bus surrounded by police who was killed.

The cop in question is currently on trial for second-degree murder, however.

 

[Mononoke]

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

Most people only look out for themselves. They want to keep their job, so they don't speak out. This makes them complicit, no doubt.

Even good cops should be criticized in certain cases where they don't speak out (if they know something was wrong, or if they in general see shit that is wrong in their line of work). Although as has been said before, the whole thing is fucked. Departments and unions make it pretty hard for cops to come forward. Believe it or not, cops all the time speak out (not to the media), but try to speak out against practices in the department, and get shut down or get run out.

That said, if you want to argue they should be speaking to the media (and be out of their job), that is a valid criticism. I still think this is an issue that society on a whole should be speaking out against too though. Where all the "good people" that aren't outraged? Why is it that only blacks and a handful of people are getting angry. Why is the majority of society sitting idly by, and okay with this? Well, probably because it doesn't effect them.

So that's why they have no room to complain about riots and violence when they wouldn't do a damn thing about it.

 

[DY_nasty]

I like to hate on cops, but this is akin to Fox News blaming Muslims for not speaking up against terrorists.

Seriously. Its reactionary and played out.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I don't want it to happen, but are their any fears of riots? NY is a shit ton bigger than Ferguson...

 

[Mammoth Jones]

So...did the US make it legal to hunt black people or am I missing something.

Sadly this is nothing new. People are just more informed now.

 

[wildfire]

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

They are powerless. Village Voice did an expose on NYPD cops that tried pushing back against the system and lost, hard.

 

[cyberheater]

Intentions don't mean much when you're a power hungry, callous individual with no regard for human life.

- He used an illegal chokehold on the guy

- The guy kept saying he couldn't breath

- There is video of an officer smiling while Eric Lays face down

- When asked why they aren't doing CPR he says he's breathing when he's clearly dead.

It was a horrible video and I agree that it looks like the office used a chokehold on the guy.
The other office nearly standing on his head probably didn't help either.

 

[soundahfekz]

black gaf stay safe out here, it's open season on our asses cameras or not

 

[Gordon Shumway]

And if your daughter did dress modestly and was with friends and was still raped...what then?

Or if you're black and you follow all those rules and you're still killed what then?

"Had it coming"..I'd guess..

 

[arts&crafts]

The cop in question is currently on trial for second-degree murder, however.

Ah good to know, hard to keep track of all the cop murders in the past year. Go Canada Justice!

 

[GregLombardi]

Blatant corruption.

 

[Angelus Errare]

So...did the US make it legal to hunt black people or am I missing something.

When was it ever illegal should be the question. Negro beating was a favorite past time of cops back in the 40s

 

[Alavard]

Just so that we're all using the same facts, choke-holds are still legal for cops to use in NYC, just banned by the department:

http://gawker.com/reminder-this-nypd-chief-fought-to-keep-chokeholds-leg-1666299664

Edit - just wanting everyone to have that fact, as it makes the situation even more fucked up in my opinion.

 

[Zantetsuken]

Not to derail, but where do they find these pundits on CNN? The cop defense force is astounding.

 

[commedieu]

Seriously. Its reactionary and played out.

agreed, its like people asking why black people burn their own community down.

Just so that we're all using the same facts, choke-holds are still legal for cops to use in NYC, just banned by the department:

http://gawker.com/reminder-this-nypd-chief-fought-to-keep-chokeholds-leg-1666299664

Good news for you, they said they didn't use a choke-hold in the first place.

 

[jamesinclair]

I'd like to see riots but I'm pretty sure the NYPD is bigger than most countries standing armies so I dunno how well it would go.

40,000
An additional 700 MTA police
And 2,200 port authority police
And another 1,000 bridge and tunnel police


If there would any good cops, theyd call in sick tonight. But no, theyre all hungry for overtime and the chance to bash the heads of their fellow residents.

 

[ponpo]

This post is so telling.

Telling like most of my posts on this subject that I think your country is too violent, yes. Both in police force and in violent crime by citizens. Was a sort of joke post commenting on that opinion. No I don't think Angelus or whoever else suggesting they'd move to Canada in this thread are actually violent.

But you'd rather think I hate immigrants or whatever narrative you'd like.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

New wave of Facebook garbage posts incoming...

 

[Mammoth Jones]

If you held officers to a higher standard then I think they'd be all sorts of problems relative to recruitment and unions etc... I just don't think it would be workable however good the sentiment is.

There already is a problem with recruitment and unions. Good cops that violate the Blue Wall get railroaded out and unions tend to back the cops that kill unarmed people with no shame.

I like to hate on cops, but this is akin to Fox News blaming Muslims for not speaking up against terrorists.

I don't like to hate on cops. We need cops. And I personally haven't had trouble with them. But last I checked cops aren't a religion or ethnicity. They're men and women that have been empowered to justly enforce the laws. So I'm sorry if I'm asking a fair bit more of them.

 

[cyberheater]

When was it ever illegal should be the question. Negro beating was a favorite past time of cops back in the 40s

What is your black president doing about it?

 

[DY_nasty]

Most people only look out for themselves. They want to keep their job, so they don't speak out. This makes them complicit, no doubt.

Even good cops should be criticized in certain cases where they don't speak out. Although as has been said before, the whole thing is fucked. Departments and unions make it pretty hard for cops to come forward. Believe it or not, cops all the time speak out (not to the media), but try to get speak out against things in the department, and get shut down.

That said, if you want to argue they should be speaking to the media (and be out of their job), that is a valid criticism.

Seriously

Do you really think people want to alienate the guy that's supposed to make sure that they don't get shot in the back on top of all of the above?

This isn't a simple "they should be outraged too!" shit

 

[dskillzhtown]

Then where are all these good cops clearly speaking out that this was an illegal chokehold and it was murder? Instead of remaining silent or spinning it to support their dude?

Because they like having jobs. Not trying to be an ass, but with how powerful the police unions are, they would be lucky to get a security guard job if they spoke out.

 

[Mononoke]

There already is a problem with recruitment and unions. Good cops that violate the Blue Wall get railroaded out and unions tend to back the cops that kill unarmed people with no shame.

Yeah this. Not only are cops run out of the department, it encourages a lot of them just to keep quiet as they know their criticisms won't get heard, and they will be out of a job (not excusing this, if you want to argue they are wrong for not speaking out, I wouldn't argue with that).

 

[dankir]

Just comical now. Off the top of of my head:

Michael Brown in Ferguson
The Cos-play dude with the sword
7 year old shot while sleeping on the couch
And now Eric Garner.

Which out folks it's open season on black people.

Fucking terrible. RIP.

 

[cyberheater]

There already is a problem with recruitment and unions. Good cops that violate the Blue Wall get railroaded out and unions tend to back the cops that kill unarmed people with no shame.

Sounds completely fucked.

 

[Furyous]

So...did the US make it legal to hunt black people or am I missing something.

^^^ You said it not me. For the record, Metal Goat is entitled to that opinion which I respect.

black gaf stay safe out here, it's open season on our asses cameras or not

I live in Idaho...

*Searches for apartments elsewhere*

 

[soundahfekz]

New wave of Facebook garbage posts incoming...

man I already had to chop a couple down

this shit brings out the worst in people

 

[Alavard]

agreed, its like people asking why black people burn their own community down.



Good news for you, they said they didn't use a choke-hold in the first place.

I'm not defending the police at all. Trust me, I'm on the side of everyone else here, and I'm pretty fucking outraged over the whole mess. I actually want people to see that extra layer of how fucked up this is, that the police wouldn't even go as far as to make it illegal, believing that classifying it as against their rules was enough to stop it being used.

 

[commedieu]

Because they like having jobs. Not trying to be an ass, but with how powerful the police unions are, they would be lucky to get a security guard job if they spoke out.

Seriously

Do you really think people want to alienate the guy that's supposed to make sure that they don't get shot in the back on top of all of the above?

This isn't a simple "they should be outraged too!" shit

...

So the answer is that Good Police are terrified by the police corruption Mammoth, but nope, no problems there. Just fyi.

As a black man knowing that many non-blacks are fine with this, makes me even more terrified to leave my apt.

 

[Ocelott]

Anyone watching CNN? Who is that Heavy-Set Black woman because she is spewing the dumbest shit I have heard in a while.

 

[Prezhulio]

Over cigs. What the hell?!?!?!?!?!

Just to clarify in case It wasn't clear: I'm saying it is unfathomable that someone would support the actions of the police from this incident(murder).

It's so crazy that capturing this on video and being so unequivocally wrong no matter what the law says still isn't enough to make the legal system indict an officer at this juncture.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

They are powerless. Village Voice did an expose on NYPD cops that tried pushing back against the system and lost, hard.

This American Life did as well. If you are a good cop you will lose your job, get harassed into silence, or worse.

For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. (41 minutes)criminal justice • jobs/employment • police
Ira Glass

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=414&act=2

 

[Mononoke]

Seriously

Do you really think people want to alienate the guy that's supposed to make sure that they don't get shot in the back on top of all of the above?

This isn't a simple "they should be outraged too!" shit

I'm really disturbed by people in general being okay with this though. Just the whole, apathy and doing nothing about it, is insane. All of this is playing out again and again across the US. And it just seems like, the majority of people that think of themselves as "good people"...are just accepting this.

 

[CrushDance]

I'm seriously aiming to move to Canada in 2015. Hell I'll even renounce my citizenship if need be.

Canada isnt some magical place you guys. Lots of Americans move here and marry across the border. Its probably better as a black person, but you should see the hate that Aboriginals get. A lot of the racism in Canada is just hidden and not as heated because there's less racial history. But Canadians and Americans share a lot of cultural hi-jinks and interests. Don't assume that its paradise.

 

[ponpo]

Anyone watching CNN? Who is that Heavy-Set Black woman because she is spewing the dumbest shit I have heard in a while.

This whole panel is odd. People literally calling race war.

 

[Scofield94941]

Use of force can ONLY be used when there is immediate threat to police or civilians, this guy was no threat even accidently. He was outnumbered and on the ground. Can someone enlighten me, does a grand jury have to be unanimous?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If I was a cop, this would embolden me to do whatever the fuck I wanted to and get away with it.

Terrifying prescedent.

#murdernowgetacquitedlater

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

Cops are trained to deal with this. He used a technique that is banned. So while yeah, he shouldn't have resisted arrest, the bigger issue is not him resisting arrest, but a cop using a technique that he shouldn't have. And continuing to use it after the guy stopped resisting.

Saying if he didn't resist, then he wouldn't be dead...is totally victim blaming. Because what should have had happened is, if he resisted he should have been detained and not killed by a banned technique. Him resisting never should have led to this.

You talk like detaining a resisting individual is easy.

I agree with most of what you are saying btw.