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STEAM- Announcements & Updates 2011 Edition

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LocoMrPollock

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LovingSteam said:
Why not? Why is $60 acceptable for 7 years of work while $70 isn't?
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$60 is fair (for some games), IMO. It's what they are charging on consoles and I have no problem paying the same price for a superior experience.

They're not gonna sale as much on PC or make as much money, so I have no problem paying $10 more to ensure we continue to get these games on PC that aren't complete turds.

Bitching about a $10 "console tax" is pretty stupid. Why not bitch about a 60% retail, manufacturing and distribution tax, since we're buying it DD?

Rising development costs mean games are gonna cost more.

We are a community of gamers, why not support the people who make that game?
 
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Houston3000

Member
Snuggler said:
It's Fable 3, Valve lost.

Honestly I'm surprised it's coming over, did not expect that.
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I really enjoyed the original Fable but never played the sequels... is Fable 3 really that bad? Specifically for people who enjoyed the original game.
 
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nyong

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Hahaha!! SecurROM, Steam, and GFWL...what could possibly go wrong? I wouldn't mind playing Fable III at some point, but there is no way I am paying full-price (i.e. supporting) that BS.
 
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erpg

GAF parliamentarian
60$ price point is fine in my books. I'd pay that much for Skyrim or Diablo. Rage, not so much but that'd what patience and sales are for.
 
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kswiston

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LocoMrPollock said:
$60 is fair (for some games), IMO. It's what they are charging on consoles and I have no problem paying the same price for a superior experience.

They're not gonna sale as much on PC or make as much money, so I have no problem paying $10 more to ensure we continue to get these games on PC that aren't complete turds.

Bitching about a $10 "console tax" is pretty stupid. Why not bitch about a 60% retail, manufacturing and distribution tax, since we're buying it DD?

Rising development costs mean games are gonna cost more.

We are a community of gamers, why not support the people who make that game?
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I agree with some of what you are saying. If months ahead of release I am eagerly awaiting my day 1 purchase of something like Skyrim, $60 vs $50 is not going to change my mind. I'd prefer $50 of course, but I'd be willing to pay console price. However, for games I am on the fence about, $60 is pretty much a deal breaker. Especially these days where DD PC games price collapse so quickly. I would have been pretty pissed if I was one of the people who bought Dead Space 2 for $60, only to see it reduced to $40 (Every day price, not a sale) six weeks later. Unless I NEEDED to play the game day 1 of course.
 
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Oreoleo

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nexen said:
Was the outcome ever in doubt?
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Yes? Lionhead is a MS first party company and near as I can tell Fable 3 is the first MS Property released on Steam. So yes, there was quite a bit of doubt. You don't see Fable 2 on Steam do you?
 
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scorpscarx

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kswiston said:
One of those people who bought Dead Space 2 for $60, only to see it reduced to $40 six weeks later. Unless I NEEDED to play the game day 1 of course.
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That was me..... and I was..... but I did.

Probably the only $60 game I will buy this year.
 
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eznark

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LocoMrPollock said:
Rising development costs mean games are gonna cost more.

We are a community of gamers, why not support the people who make that game?
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So then why would you be unwilling to pay $70?
 
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Deleted member 17706

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LovingSteam said:
Rage pre order up for $60 lol.
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I made an exception for Starcraft 2, and I might be willing to make an exception for Rage.

I still need to see more about the game before I can decide.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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eznark said:
So then why would you be unwilling to pay $70?
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Exactly my point. The support those who make games is a fine point but why is it that only recently, after Activision charged $60 for COD did $60 be required to 'support those who make games'? Perhaps its because they are charging $60 because they can and not because they need to? I will buy Skyrim for $60 but I do find your reasoning somewhat lacking. $70 isn't acceptable since its more than a console version but $60 is ok since we need to show support in order to continue having the PC version? Why not pay $70 since they sell less to PC gamers than those on the consoles?
 
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Spyn Doctor

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desu said:
Hey there,

I suppose its not possible to preorder smaller games? Was about to preorder a copy for my gf right away but didn't see it on steam yet.
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Indeed, it's not on the marketplace yet, so you can't preorder it now. I don't know if this is normal for smaller/indie games, or if it may appear before the release day (and you can preorder then). It's my first game on Steam, so regarding all this stuff I'm quite the noob! :)

To make up for it: There will be a free DLC package in form of a bunch of Easter-themed bonus doodles. This will be a Steam exclusive and only be available for the first week or so. So make sure you get it while it's hot! ;-)

poppabk said:
quick question, is this going to support 1080p full screen? It looks like the kind of game that I will generally be playing windowed, but it is nice to have fullscreen 1080p support and its an area that a lot of indie titles are lacking.
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Sorry, but no. The game's native resolution is 720p. In full screen mode (which is the default) it will try to set your monitor to this resolution (or whatever comes closest, with letterboxing if your monitor is not 19:6). The reason is not that I have anything against 1080, but simply because the doodles (i.e. the levels) were initially created with 720p in mind. Those are all hand-drawn, so it wasn't really an option to redo them for 1080p.

Doc
 
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eznark

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LovingSteam said:
Exactly my point. The support those who make games is a fine point but why is it that only recently, after Activision charged $60 for COD did $60 be required to 'support those who make games'? Perhaps its because they are charging $60 because they can and not because they need to? I will buy Skyrim for $60 but I do find your reasoning somewhat lacking. $70 isn't acceptable since its more than a console version but $60 is ok since we need to show support in order to continue having the PC version? Why not pay $70 since they sell less to PC gamers than those on the consoles?
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Of course the price is what the market will bear and not "what they need to." The price to the consumer has nothing to do with the cost of production.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Spyn Doctor said:
Indeed, it's not on the marketplace yet, so you can't preorder it now. I don't know if this is normal for smaller/indie games, or if it may appear before the release day (and you can preorder then). It's my first game on Steam, so regarding all this stuff I'm quite the noob! :)

To make up for it: There will be a free DLC package in form of a bunch of Easter-themed bonus doodles. This will be a Steam exclusive and only be available for the first week or so. So make sure you get it while it's hot! ;-)

Doc
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General question: the core game looks like a fun idea, but do you spice it up in later levels so its not always just "draw lines between nearby objects"?
 
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scorpscarx

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The point is most PC-exclusive games cost $50, even Blizzard games until SC2..

Trying to charge $60 for multi-plat games, highly likely to have some form of their design downscaled for consoles, is wrong.

Also likely to include drm of some sort and be laden with DLC soon after release, is wrong.

All good things come to those who wait, really is true right now.


The industry and market are trying to make all games (not even console), $60 and that is wrong especially considering that were not even talking retail physical, but digital.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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LocoMrPollock said:
Like I said before. CURRENTLY I FEEL $60, NOT $70 or $80 IS FAIR FOR SOME GAMES.
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Why some games but not others? I don't mean to come off as argumentative but I am just curious about your reasoning. If you didn't bring in the 'support those who make games' I'd understand your point of view but thats what threw me off. Do you believe that $10 goes to the developers?
 
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kswiston

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scorpscarx said:
The point is most PC-exclusive games cost $50, even Blizzard games until SC2..
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I agree with you, but wanted to point out that Blizzard has been pricing its games at a premium for at least a decade now.
 
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nexen

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Orellio said:
Yes? Lionhead is a MS first party company and near as I can tell Fable 3 is the first MS Property released on Steam. So yes, there was quite a bit of doubt. You don't see Fable 2 on Steam do you?
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That wasn't what I was trying to say.
Steam eventually winning out vs GFWL was what I meant was never in doubt.
 
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kswiston

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radeonxt said:
isn't it going to be in gamersgate tomorow at 5 pounds?

http://www.gamersgate.com/newsletter/831/1989331

Are Gamersgate games secure to be added to steam? or will my account be banned?

Sorry about my english.

cheers.
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Gamersgate is a legitimate Digital Distributer. I don't see why your account would be banned. They are not some Russian website selling keygens. Would be no different from buying the game on D2D and registering it on Steam.
 
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shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Bit of a repeat, but I do need a bit of help.

How does the DRM on Crysis work again. Isn't there some Revoke tools that only work on one and not the other? And is it by machine based or just 5 installs? I've looked on online and everything for it seems to be from 09/early 10.
 
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LocoMrPollock

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LovingSteam said:
Why some games but not others? I don't mean to come off as argumentative but I am just curious about your reasoning. If you didn't bring in the 'support those who make games' I'd understand your point of view but thats what threw me off. Do you believe that $10 goes to the developers?
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Just like some people think Blizzard games are worth it. People just have to decide for themselves.

As for the devs, I honestly have no idea, but if I love a game and/or want it day one, then I have no problem supporting it with my money, and I hope that it does end up benefiting them in some form.
 
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BobsRevenge

I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
I'm not even uptight about $60 PC games anymore. Not elitist.

I just look at it and think... nah. It doesn't strike me as a fair price, and there is no weird logic behind that. The extra $10 keeps me in the "Yeah, right, I probably shouldn't buy it" range and out of the "Yeah... I guess I could swing that" range. Same thing with console games, which explains why I barely ever buy any.

At $60 I can always find some reason to not buy. Its probably just tradition. I doubt Rage will be an exception, even though I love Id.
 
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shuyin_

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scorpscarx said:
Metro 2033 is half-off for the weekend sale. $9.99

If you like survival horror and atmosphere, what a steal at that price.
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9.99 Euro for us in Europe. But the really good news is Metro 2033 will be 5 Euros on GamersGate lol
I swear, since i started using both Steam and GG, GG had better sales than Steam.
 
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desu

Member
60[currency] means for me that I will just buy it later.

However at least I profit from the dollar. Since games here are 60€ which means about ~90$ its still kind of cheap buying 60$ games from steam.com.
 
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Gully State

Member
I don't have a problem with the $60 pricepoint but don't offer console equivalent content for it (10 hour singleplayer campaign with run of the mill multiplayer tacked on). Sadly it's not the case 99% of the time. But I argue that most console gamers have a problem with $60 games as well but are willing to deal with it b/c they have a vehicle to recoup some of the investment back (used game market) whereas on PC that doesn't exist.
 
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Dog Problems

Banned
shintoki said:
Bit of a repeat, but I do need a bit of help.

How does the DRM on Crysis work again. Isn't there some Revoke tools that only work on one and not the other? And is it by machine based or just 5 installs? I've looked on online and everything for it seems to be from 09/early 10.
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As far as I know, there is no way to revoke Crysis. Warhead, on the other hand, does have a revoke tool and putting /revoke in the launch options also works.

I wish Runaway 3 and The Next Big Thing would get released already.
 
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stuminus3

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LastWindow said:
As far as I know, there is no way to revoke Crysis.
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That's insane! So if I run out of activations on my Steam version of Crysis, it justs sits there in my library with no way to launch it and no way to re-buy it? Good grief.
 
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Corky

Nine out of ten orphans can't tell the difference.
errrrrrrrrrrrrr

w
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f!?

I'm downloading rift on steam. Started an hour ago with a steady 1mb/s downloadrate. The game was like 50% downloaded.

Checked again just now and it started over from the start? What the hell is going on?

edit : on total downloaded it sways " 2,188 mb downloaded "
and just beneath it it says " 400 mb / 7900 downloaded " :_S
edit2 : screengrab
yulPv.png
 
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TheExodu5

Banned
stuminus3 said:
That's insane! So if I run out of activations on my Steam version of Crysis, it justs sits there in my library with no way to launch it and no way to re-buy it? Good grief.
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Yep. Mine is out of activations.
 
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Dog Problems

Banned
stuminus3 said:
That's insane! So if I run out of activations on my Steam version of Crysis, it justs sits there in my library with no way to launch it and no way to re-buy it? Good grief.
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Apparently, yeah. I asked people in that DRM thread on Steam a couple of months ago about it and they said in worst case scenario just contact EA and you'll get more activations. I then asked what to do if that didn't work and I was told that Steam would probably remove the game from my account so I could buy it again. :-(
 
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Salsa

Member
I have a question i asked in the Civ thread but got no answer yet.

I can get a copy of Civ V from GamersGate, but they only have it listed as "for Mac". Given that the game is Steamplay (both Mac and PC version become available once you get it), would i get the Windows version as well if i register a "Mac" key from Gamersgate ?
 
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