PeterVenkman
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Nice. Hoping for the keyboard popup, might be wishful thinking though
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Steam Controller Thread | Comfy Couch Sold Separately
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Nice. Hoping for the keyboard popup, might be wishful thinking though
Oh someone mentioned about Blizzard/Battle.net games earlier. To get the Steam overlay/BPM working you need to link to a shortcut of the games' executable and then set the target line argument to -launcher. This will then skip the Battle.net client and boot in to the game proper. You'll have to manually log in and authenticate but you can then get into the overlay to set up your bindings. In theory once these are set you should be able to link back to the standard shortcut and let the Battle.net client log you in and still have your bindings set (haven't tried it yet sorry).
Edit: Hmmm did the gyro always have that symbol in the settings menu? Might make peeps more aware of it now ha!
Edit: Hmmm did the gyro always have that symbol in the settings menu? Might make peeps more aware of it now ha!
Wow, that might have been a big part of it.
I switched to the motion controls one and was a whole lot more stable. I still have some issues, such as the reticle moving a bit when I press down a trigger, but it no longer looks like I'm a drunk with Parkinson's attempting to play a game for the first time in his life, so that's great.
re: Desktop Profile - I really wish there were some way to bring up that sexy Steam keyboard while using the desktop. The keyboard is definitely one of the more welcome parts of the experience for me - the flower-wheel was pretty miserable, but the double touchpad typing has me typing faster than on my phone.
My overall review: I just don't see why. Feels like "different for the sake of different." Or that Valve just took the "Civ 5 on the couch" problem to an extreme that just doesn't work for a majority of games.
A lot of the tutorial videos make statements like "Trust me, it's better than the gamepad." That might be true, but is it really that much better? Obviously for traditional KB+M games, it's much better (Cities Skylines, Civ, etc.), but even then, those cases are limited. I don't think anyone would seriously play LoL or DotA 2 with this thing.
The only genres in the keyboard/mouse space that this seems to really assist are simulation, point-and-click adventures, and turn based strategy. But most other genres, I just don't see how it's "worth it." With the gamepad, I'm never going to have to learn the controls, and I'm never going to have to configure the controller. With most games, all of that works right out of the box.
And I have no clue how this thing will ever be more than a niche product. The learning curve is steep, and while there might be a slightly better experience at the end, I don't think the appeal of "Civ 5 on your couch" is enough of a motivator for the average gamer.
The only thing I can give it credit for is its price. $50 for this thing feels pretty good. While the build quality could have been a little better, it's impressive that they could squeeze in such nice precision for a low price point. Even with my disappointments and frustrations, $50 feels pretty fair. I'd be returning it if it was priced higher, but I think I'll hang onto it here.
I'm guessing that, come November, I'll end up on the Xbox Elite controller though. I just don't think I have it in me to configure profiles and learn the feel for each game individually, which it seems like this controller demands.
My overall review: I just don't see why. Feels like "different for the sake of different." Or that Valve just took the "Civ 5 on the couch" problem to an extreme that just doesn't work for a majority of games.
A lot of the tutorial videos make statements like "Trust me, it's better than the gamepad." That might be true, but is it really that much better? Obviously for traditional KB+M games, it's much better (Cities Skylines, Civ, etc.), but even then, those cases are limited. I don't think anyone would seriously play LoL or DotA 2 with this thing.
The only genres in the keyboard/mouse space that this seems to really assist are simulation, point-and-click adventures, and turn based strategy. But most other genres, I just don't see how it's "worth it." With the gamepad, I'm never going to have to learn the controls, and I'm never going to have to configure the controller. With most games, all of that works right out of the box.
And I have no clue how this thing will ever be more than a niche product. The learning curve is steep, and while there might be a slightly better experience at the end, I don't think the appeal of "Civ 5 on your couch" is enough of a motivator for the average gamer.
The only thing I can give it credit for is its price. $50 for this thing feels pretty good. While the build quality could have been a little better, it's impressive that they could squeeze in such nice precision for a low price point. Even with my disappointments and frustrations, $50 feels pretty fair. I'd be returning it if it was priced higher, but I think I'll hang onto it here.
I'm guessing that, come November, I'll end up on the Xbox Elite controller though. I just don't think I have it in me to configure profiles and learn the feel for each game individually, which it seems like this controller demands.
Astral/H3X
Member
Well, with Gyro aiming, it approaches the accuracy of a mouse, instead of the loltastic gamepad sticks. I can actually play CS with a controller, with VERY little adjustment time (my total time actually played with the controller is around 3 hours, across all games). Soooooo yeah I'm gonna say that's worth it, playing a CS game as competantly as I normally do with a controller, leaning back in my seat.
Netherscourge
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I was hesitant to get this, but you guys are starting to sell me on it.
It comes down to FPS accuracy for me. If I can ditch the mouse for aiming, I'll do it.
But I HATE the traditional analog stick setup, so if it's more like the sticks than a mouse, then I'll pass.
It comes down to FPS accuracy for me. If I can ditch the mouse for aiming, I'll do it.
But I HATE the traditional analog stick setup, so if it's more like the sticks than a mouse, then I'll pass.
AwesomeMeat
PossumMeat
IMO thus far third person games like the Witcher 3 are the game changer. Having the precious of trackball mouse look on the camera is awesome. Absolutely destroys the analog stick camera.
FPS have been the only thing I haven't really gotten used to yet. Going to try some of H3XAntiStyle recommendations tonight.
Interfectum
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Are there any profiles for Witcher 3 that uses this combo?
Maiden Voyage
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I just played through 75% of Life is Strange with the Steam Controller. I finished the last 20 minutes or so with the XBO controller. I don't know if I can go back to the XBO as my main controller anymore. At least for third-person games. I need to do more testing with platformers and first-person games in the coming days to properly form an opinion on those.
Overall, I'm quite impressed with the controller. The ergonomics are by far the best feature. The trackpads are a huge step-up for aiming. The grip buttons are a great step forward.
I do hope Valve evolves it in the coming years. I like the idea of community mods and 3D printed controllers but no one else puts out proper quality like a team of professionals.
Overall, I'm quite impressed with the controller. The ergonomics are by far the best feature. The trackpads are a huge step-up for aiming. The grip buttons are a great step forward.
I do hope Valve evolves it in the coming years. I like the idea of community mods and 3D printed controllers but no one else puts out proper quality like a team of professionals.
Astral/H3X
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The weirdest thing about using the Steam controller is once it clicks, you'll swear you're using a mouse. It has all of that direct control, with none of the unresponsive slowness of the control stick.
I absolutely abhor using sticks for anything more intensive than basic camera control, and I love the steam controller enough to start playing CS GO again.
Its been interesting watching your specific opinion change over the course of a weekend plus change. The controller has a learning curve, but I always meant it when I said it was the best controller I had ever used.
Astral/H3X
Member
Later tonight I'm going to try and make a video that I think should help people see what the benefits are, as well as bringing up specific complaints that others have had. I figured Krejlooc would have already done that though...
I haven't tried it with a trigger but definitely with a grip button. For example in GTA V I use the gyro for driving by holding down the left grip. I wish they gave us a toggle option instead though.
Boombox On
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Finally got mine in today.
It's a lot smaller than I thought would be.
It's a lot smaller than I thought would be.
Interfectum
Member
Yeah you nailed it. When I first used it my hate level was pretty high. I put it down for a day then went back to it with a new attitude (no hype).
What's funny now is when switching back and forth between the PS4 controller and this I already like the feel of the Steam controller better. That right stick on the PS4 now annoys me. I never thought that would happen. I'm not 100% comfortable with it yet... maybe not even 50% (not used to the R/L buttons on top and the 4 xbox buttons). But I know it's the real deal. Going from Witcher 3 to Cities Skylines to Team Fortress 2 on one controller with tons of different community driven control options is goddamn brilliant.
OldGangWarily
Member
I'm sure it doesn't work but has anyone checked to see if it works with Nvidia Shield?
Jon Armdog
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Not sure if this is helpful to anyone, or if this is the right thread, but I was finally able to score a Steam Controller. Previously, I whiffed on the whole last minute GameStop preorder. Over the last few days, I've been watching EBay for any deals. Yesterday, I missed on one auction that sold for $48, and another for $52. Today, I actually won a controller for $55 (buy it now best offer, negotiated from $60).
My point here is just that you can still probably get one a bit early if you keep an eye out. Some on eBay are just extras scalpers bought expecting more demand, others tried it briefly and didn't like it.
My point here is just that you can still probably get one a bit early if you keep an eye out. Some on eBay are just extras scalpers bought expecting more demand, others tried it briefly and didn't like it.
The Cowboy
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OK I'm fully converted now, I'll be sticking with the Steam pad and will be getting rid of my Xbone pad, with default settings for shooters etc the pad is decent enough and is only IMO just a bit better than using a regular pad - but with a slight gyro assist enabled for fine tuning, its just so much better its actually quite shocking.
The gyro is really dam precise/quick and it feels like it has no input lag at all (or at least feels like is has none), i only wish it was possible to disable the haptics on the gyro on certain games (Portal 2 etc) - its really annoying having the sound, i know I'm using it, i don't need the sound to tell me i am.
All in all, my 2 main issues now are the size of the face buttons (I'll get used to these) and the terrible short throw on the triggers (i can't see myself ever liking these).
The gyro is really dam precise/quick and it feels like it has no input lag at all (or at least feels like is has none), i only wish it was possible to disable the haptics on the gyro on certain games (Portal 2 etc) - its really annoying having the sound, i know I'm using it, i don't need the sound to tell me i am.
All in all, my 2 main issues now are the size of the face buttons (I'll get used to these) and the terrible short throw on the triggers (i can't see myself ever liking these).
Krej, when you did that aiming test a while ago when you were having an argument with Durante, did you make use of the gyro at all? I was wondering if that affected performance much in your opinion / experience because I've been hearing positive impressions so far.
Zeyphersan
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That's definitely not all it's recognized as. The tumbstick scrolls up and down on webpages, and the other buttons are recognized as keyboard inputs, I'm just not sure which ones yet
There we go
Also, does anyone know why there seems to be a different profile for using the controller on my Mac without Steam running, and then it changes whenever I start Steam (namely, the mouse haptics get turned off)
Kamakazie!
Member
Dual stage trigger was the first thing I did in Rocket League. I should have uploaded it but glad someone else has done it anyway.
Zeyphersan
Banned
dp sorry
My problem is that I don't understand how to use the right trigger without moving the mouse.
If I try to use the very tip of my thumb and lift off before even trying to press the trigger, that seems to create awkward/painful/repetitive-stress-injury-inducing hand positions for me.
If I try to use more of my thumb and then lift off, it is difficult or impossible to select something precisely when I lift my thumb off.
If I try to keep my thumb on, then I will move the mouse when I try to reach for the trigger (and/or move the mouse even more when I try to press the trigger through its long press range, and/or move the mouse even more when I try to then actually click the trigger to make the click happen).
If I try to use the first pad of my right middle finger on the trigger, it creates painful/awkward hand positions to attempt to click the trigger (even worse if I lift my thumb off first so there's less to brace against).
If I try to use the finger tip of my right middle finger, the hand/wrist position gets even worse. Maybe right index finger would work better for mouse usage.
I haven't checked whether the new desktop setup supports the gyro, which could help once I take my thumb off the pad. Some of my problems may also be specific to having big hands and long fingers.
Run Jump Stomp
Member
Anyone having issues with the Steam store in big picture mode?
Hmm, gyro for fine aim... sounds promising. Do you just map both the gyro and the right pad to mouse with different sensitivity?
Edit: nm, just saw the link above. https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3pc69q/valve_dev_shows_gyro_aiming_with_the_steam/
Looking forward to trying that shortly. It should be great for Star Citizen.
Nice, the haptics on the left pad actually feel good to the touch and don't sound all clicky.
Vigilant Gambit
Member
I believe you can define the movement threshold under the advanced settings.
I didn't see this answered. No, there's no rumble. The controller has haptic feedback for the trackpads and analog triggers, which creates sensations of spinning a trackball, clicking a mouse, or pushing an analog stick, among other things. This feedback is only meant for enhancing your sense of control, not for force feedback from game events.
Honestly, traditional rumble would probably distract you and disrupt the haptic feedback and make your thumb positioning less clear. Not to mention it wouldn't have any input to rumble with in kb+mouse mode, which seems to be the most practical way to use this thing.
Wait... why does it list "left trigger" in the modifier selection box? I tried setting up the gryo with the left trigger pull for RE6, but regardless it only activates when my thumb is on the right trackpad.
I'm actually having a lot of trouble getting the gyro settings to behave. I can't remove the left trigger modifier at all now- if I select "nothing" in the drop box it just reverts back to left trigger when I try to back out of my settings. I'd rather have the gyro "always on" than to only activate with the right pad, but I'm not sure how to enable that. That way I could at least recalibrate it.
Valve really could have made this a lot clearer to configure. Even finding the gyro setting box was a challenge at first, since it's basically an invisible blank space under the controller that's not directly indicated in any way. But again, the gyro does work fantastically well when it's doing what you want it to.
Boombox On
Member
I'm getting absolutely no haptic feedback on the trackpads, even when I put the intensity on high.
That sounds like a defect, but just in case, they won't respond unless you've mapped in and performed an input that works in the game. For instance, earlier I had set up a D pad emulation on the pad but forgot to map in the inputs. The pad did nothing when my thumb was on it because there was no input being delivered to the game.
I assume you do have inputs mapped, so that's likely not the problem. Minimize Steam and try it out on your desktop as a kb+mouse. With the newest Steam update, the haptics should be easily apparent there when touching the left pad. If you still get no haptics on your desktop, there's a problem.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Reeeally liking the new Desktop profile. This adds so much value to the controller for me.
Boombox On
Member
It's not the hardware. When I boot it up, I get it just fine.
It seems to disappear once I'm in a game, particularly with the right one. The left one actually I can feel when browsing the web after more testing.
EDIT: So it seems to be working just fine for me right now. Not sure what the previous problem was.
I will say this, I prefer having the haptic feedback, but it definitely is overrated. It does feel like a trackball, it feels like painless static electricity.
Beat Portal entirely with the controller. There were a few moments (the platform/momentum part towards the end) where it took multiple mini-attempts, but that was entirely down to me getting used the controller. Overall, I'm much better with it than I was at the start of the run, and it's great how pleasurable & natural the controller is to use.
Run Jump Stomp
Member
I just finished playing a bit of Don't starve, never played it with mouse, only ever used a 360 controller, this was way better.
Finally get the controller and despite it turning on and the computer recognizing it, fucking thing won't connect to steam and steam won't recognize it. Even plugged it in directly to the computer and it still won't pair it, despite using the controller to navigate the damn window.
flaxknuckles
Member
Trackball mode is great even for third-person games where you don't have to aim. I'm really close to chucking my DS4 I just need more games to support simultaneous gamepad and mouse use.
mattiewheels
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You might want to check your recent game additions also, Santa Gabe gave presents to all of us with Macs it appears.
chekhonte
Member
I just want a steam link for managing all my different controllers. I just want to make sure that I can use the steam link with my normal PC and monitor with out streaming. I really have no need for this as my PC is already connected to my TV.
I just want to swap between controllers wirelessly in a single solution plus I can't do my ps3/4 controllers since I use my bluetooth device for headphones nearly every day and they won't pair if I install the ps3 controller bluetooth drivers.
I just want to swap between controllers wirelessly in a single solution plus I can't do my ps3/4 controllers since I use my bluetooth device for headphones nearly every day and they won't pair if I install the ps3 controller bluetooth drivers.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
The interesting thing about that is whether they ever make a game that's not f2p again.
That was my thought process. Might be more "Ha, joke's on you, we're not putting out non-F2P games anyway!"
Although if buying that pack entitles you to SOMETHING in their F2P games like with the TF2 Proof of Purchase, well, that's something.
Nevermind that it's a good gesture regardless.
Boombox On
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I've been looking at getting GTA5 for PC at GMG, and I was wondering if the experience with controller configurations is drastically different with a game not bought/redeemed on steam vs a game that is?
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Well, the most important thing is that you can't download settings made by other users through the Steam Interface. There's a thread dedicated so sharing settings of non steam games by coping some configuration files, though.
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