Jawmuncher
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Are we talking about the tick the super hero?
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STEAM | May 2016 - VAC to life, VAC to reality
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BoosterDuck
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it means dying behind walls is part of the experience
and the lag compensation gets me killed when activating Zenyatta's ult lol
but that goes against Blizz wanting this game to be esports
they just did it cause they're cheap
Hopefully Mankind Divided will cater equally well to the direct approach for people who want to go that route. "You can resolve situations however you choose, as long as you choose to avoid open combat" isn't exactly a glowing endorsement of player freedom to me.
To be fair, I don't think that's going to be an issue with the game, from what I've seen and read so far. Just kind of bothers me when people start telling me that sneaking all the time, every time/nonlethal playthroughs are the only "right" way to play the DX games, and if you're not doing that, you're "playing it wrong". :s
LurkerPrime
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20 ticks per second to the server. So it knows exactly where you are at those times and extrapolates the rest. It can lead to situations where you're hit in spots that seem weird or missing shots that seem certain (as well as the reverse), due to the server essentially guessing what happened during those periods.
It doesn't feel bad to me, but I'm not any kind of super competitive player so I probably wouldn't notice anyways.
I'm cool with that. It just annoys me when even the developers say their game's supposed to give you the freedom to approach things "your way", but a vocal portion of the fanbase insist that it is actually a pure stealth game and browbeat anyone who thinks otherwise.
(Full disclosure: My first playthough of Human Revolution could've been subtitled, "Adam Jensen's Fists of Steel", because I used nonlethal takedowns on everyone. The only exceptions were the bosses and when I was fighting to
save Malik
Jawmuncher
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Human Revolution was totally a stealth game over anything else. I'm still bitter about it to this day. Last time I was ever fooled by a CG trailer....that Icarus trailer is still like the best trailer ever made though.
freshVeggie
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At first I was not interested at all in Mankind Divided despite loving the original Deus Ex and Human Revolution but lately I really got excited for it. They style, setting and tone. So good.
Eerily similar to how it went with Fallout 4. Didn't like almost anything about it at first but afterwards started being very interested in it, heh.
Well said and I hope it turns out like you say. Doesn't make much sense but there's that little fear in the back of the head that these beefed up new consoles could make my PC become outdated quicker than expected.
Agree. In Dishonored I started playing the early levels as an all-out action game, then as a predator killer and settled finally on a non-lethal ghost style. That was the most rewarding.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
I got the impression you'll be able to go balls out this time from the Mankind Divided 101 trailer. At least I'm hoping so, anyway. I mean, if you sink most of your points into combat augs, you should be able to take the direct approach - that's what you're paying for, just like the guy who buys all the stealth options gets to be better at sneaking around.
If anything, because I never try to kill anyone in Way of the Samurai 3 it makes me even more reviled if I just killed them instead.
It is very much an issue. But it depends on your level of skill. For a casual game it is perfectly sufficient, but once it becomes competitive this sort of thing feels sloppy.
As noted you can actually get shot through a wall, because lag compensation on the shooter shows you as visible, so it registers as a valid shot. While you the unlagged, actually moved behind the wall, but you didn't see the other player shoot before you moved.
On the flipside, increasing the tickrate hurts the laggier players more because the update interval becomes a smaller ratio vis-a-vis the lag times.
Jawmuncher
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I'm hoping they tailor it that way for the sequel. Since in HR, even with Augs it was easier to just spend points in invisibility and go through areas like that. Since even with points in combat styled stuff, you still had to play tactically.
Atraveller
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All signs pointed to it's going to be a great game, I haven't seen anything that said otherwise.
Jawmuncher
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More than likely true. It makes too much sense not to be.
Bad link...
Nyteshade517
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update your link...there's another post on Gaming side about it
You're fired.
Didn't you know that every gamer on Gaf has hyper senses that allow them to flawlessly detect the lag difference of three hundredths of a second? It's totally true.
Jawmuncher
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Summed up game might be delayed to July or August. Really nothing more to it. To me it makes sense. For a game that releases next month, the marketing has been pretty light and really spread too far apart.
Nyteshade517
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no worries...your link was good when you posted but got merged
The Dear Leader
Banned
No Man's Sky... more like No Can Buy! Amiright???
You're also fired.
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no <3 for you, sir
but I uh..already bought it
The Dear Leader
Banned
No Can Buy... more like No Can Fly! Amiright?
Atraveller
Banned
A delay announced a month before release, when was the last time something like that happened?
The Dear Leader
Banned
Uncharted 4?
Jawmuncher
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There's gotta be a few
I actually like XIII it's a decent JRPG. If it wasn't called FF I think more people wouldn't dislike it so much. Was more just using that as an example. I've always been big on a game should be entertaining without much work needed from the player to an extent. Getting good at a game or a game starting slow story wise I wouldn't consider in that category.
Atraveller
Banned
I didn't follow the news of that game.
What was that pirate game on Steam that was delayed a couple times right before release? Pretty sure they delayed it a few days before release lol
Not a high profile game, but funny nonetheless. And it still turned out to be a turd when it finally released.
The Dear Leader
Banned
It was announced in early March that the April 26th date was delayed to May 10th, so a little over a month but close.
freshVeggie
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Fine by me. Backlog is ridiculously filled to the brim with great games, old and new.
Yep. More time for lego in June.
I think Mirror's Edge Catalyst but I'm not sure? Also Batman Arkham Knight but let's not talk about that one here.
On the tick issue: I did noticed it on the beta, when I'd activate D.va's ult and it would take a few seconds for it to be registered, but I don't think it's such a game breaker as some people are painting it. And furthermore, in private matches you can adjust it so it has a 60 tick rate, so it's not like it'll hurt the game's competitive scene.
Err what? Thats a strange example, D.Va's ult takes a few seconds to explode, thats what it does.
My bad, I meant her "second" ultra, where you get the armor back.
Though I had a few situation where I'd click the ult button and it took a few seconds for her to throw the armor.
If you noticed it, it can't possibly be the tick rate. 1/20th of a second is not "a few seconds." The difference between 1/60th of a second and 1/20th of a second is 1/33rd of a second. Again, not even close to "a few seconds." If they have shitty laggy servers, fine, that's a perfectly reasonable complaint. But that problem isn't the tick rate.
Maybe maybe maybe some people would "feel" the difference in the tick rates during the flow of play, that's possible. But the whole "oh I was shot behind a wall" or "oh my ability didn't activate" isn't because it updates a fraction of a second less often. Or because it extrapolates two frames.
Back in my day, we called that "lag".
Yeah, exactly lol
True, I didn't think of that. Honestly, I had no idea what tick was before seeing people complaining about it, and once those started to pop in, I just thought my problem was related to it.
It would be very weird if it was just lag though, as I had no trouble with my internet connection during the Beta period. Oh well, you never know.
(also sorry for my rough english, I'm tired as hell ><)
That sucks. I was looking forward to June for it.
Raven's Cry and the subsequent Vendetta - Curse of Raven's Cry.
That's it! Thanks
BoosterDuck
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What mistakes? Everything I said about this game was true.
the designs are ass, the maps are cramped, the movement sucks, there's no teamwork, the characters are lame and everything in this game I already did in TF2
bad game everybody go play CSGO
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