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Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

Ether_Snake

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Dam, RTP now at 222. Wow. Shouldn't have sold at 200. But at least I still made a nice 27%:)

STP up 10%
 

grumble

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I did a stock simulation game with my friends, US and Canadian markets, and managed to hit +20% in a week. Got to love an up market.
 

Tarazet

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Nymex Henry Hub Future 4.64 +.25 5.69% 16:56
Henry Hub Spot 2.68 +.24 9.84% 16:35
New York City Gate Spot 3.11 +.54 +21.01% 16:35

I don't even know what the fuck to think about this. Should I buy a fuckton more puts on UNG? Or just bail out realizing that I have no idea what's going to happen?
 
I'm not sure what possessed me to buy AHR at ~$6.80 and still hold it to this day. :lol

Otherwise, things are looking very good for me recently. Very good.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
My 401k that I started in early 2007 now has an average annualized interest of > 10.0%. I started throwing money at it in mass a year ago. Buying low works, who would have thought!
 

kathode

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Haven't been too active lately. I made about 10% on some SPX calls a week or so ago, and I'm holding WMT calls that are doing pretty well after dropping quite a bit immediately after I bought. For the longs that I bought a couple months back, NFLX has been doing amazing and is up 30% from where I bought it. DASTY is up about 5%, and CUB is down about 10%. So doing all right overall.
 

Zyzyxxz

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Gallbaro said:
I am about to go all in on C.

Who else feels like playing a little roulette?

nah I'm going long for now.

I'm up on my Baidu shares a whole lot but I've lost big on my gamble for FRE and FNM so now I've been forced into a long position for those and work is taking up my stock trading time.

Personally I think it's still a safe bet for a longterm investment. There has been support at $4 for months now.
 

Gallbaro

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Zyzyxxz said:
nah I'm going long for now.

I'm up on my Baidu shares a whole lot but I've lost big on my gamble for FRE and FNM so now I've been forced into a long position for those and work is taking up my stock trading time.

Personally I think it's still a safe bet for a longterm investment. There has been support at $4 for months now.

I am purely going off of Macro now, mainly St. Louis Data. The problem I only minored in a couple of econs, just enough to be dangerous. None of my finance training is telling me to do this.

But for long shots I played FRE exceptionally well on the way down.
 

zhenming

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Hey guys, i got $500 laying around and didnt want to spend it on blackfriday. Just wondering if its enough to at least start investing in something?
 

Zyzyxxz

Member
zhenming said:
Hey guys, i got $500 laying around and didnt want to spend it on blackfriday. Just wondering if its enough to at least start investing in something?

1. Buy 110 shares of Citibank
2. wait 5-10 years
3. ???????
4. PROFIT!

But $500 for short term trading, or day trading is not much. I would recommend at least $5000 for that.
 
The Dubai knews has sent ES futures down big, breaking the upward channel it's been on since March. I am now very short the market and think we are headed to 500 on the RUT.

Gold also has broken strong support lines as well. I am now short gold too. :D
 
That was a hell of bull trap the last half hour. Futures selling off hard after market just closed. ES is down to 1089. It dropped 10 points in the last 10 minutes. :lol

You can't tell me that these markets aren't manipulated.
 

mckmas8808

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Maxwell House said:
That was a hell of bull trap the last half hour. Futures selling off hard after market just closed. ES is down to 1089. It dropped 10 points in the last 10 minutes. :lol

You can't tell me that these markets aren't manipulated.


Hold on, what's going on?
 
Maxwell House said:
Not sure. Markets ramped up from open all day than at 12:55 just tanked. Not sure what caused it.
I think that a lot of people were waiting to see if the market would trend up, like they seem to be doing in Europe, but when they didn't they started selling before the weekend. Because god knows what will happen by Monday

My portforlio (of mostly financials) just got hammered, but i'll take a wait and see approach, for now. Hopefully I can get some clear direction of where the market's headed by mid next week.
 

mckmas8808

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Maxwell House said:
Not sure. Markets ramped up from open all day than at 12:55 just tanked. Not sure what caused it.


Okay yeah I saw that. It went from -135 points, to -100 points, then straight back down to -155 really fast.

I didn't know what happened.
 

Ether_Snake

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Wow, TTWO down 20% in AH after earnings. Fuck:(

All my gains erased. Might buy some more. I was also thinking of maybe buying some THQI.
 

sefskillz

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im just venting here so pardon me for a moment, but damnit, I really need to be so much more disciplined in my trading. I'll get a stock up 10 or 20% and think I've got the next 10 bagger on my hands, just to watch it fall off to eliminate any potential gains. i'm scared im going to miss out on so much more instead of taking whats handed to me. it's not the damn lottery, i'm not going to get rich, TAKE THE DAMN GAINS SEF
 

Ether_Snake

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Ubisoft at its lowest in three years. This shit has to stop.
 

vpance

Member
Anyone still playing this casino? I bought a few RIM calls last week, it should pop nicely tommorow. Bought puts too for a straddle just in case. Can never know with the reaction on earnings reports for this one.

Markets seem to be setting up for a January sell off. Let's see how soon (or if) the equities react to the USD bounce.
 

Javaman

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liquidatedbrains said:
anyone investing in gold? im curious to see if anybody made an obscene profit at the price it was last week

I wouldn't touch gold with a 10 foot pole. The last time gold shot up in the 80s during the last economic crisis people who bought near the top STILL hadn't made their money back adjusted for inflation from 28+ years ago. It would have to go up past $2,000 before they break even. It can be interpreted that since it was higher back then it might go higher, but it's a hell of a risk. When do you get out? As soon as The Fed starts raising rates, you can kiss your gold value goodbye.

vpance said:
Anyone still playing this casino? I bought a few RIM calls last week, it should pop nicely tommorow. Bought puts too for a straddle just in case. Can never know with the reaction on earnings reports for this one.

Markets seem to be setting up for a January sell off. Let's see how soon (or if) the equities react to the USD bounce.

I'm still down roughly 30% from the peak in Oct '07, but up over 2k dollar wise from my high during that same period due to contributions during the downturn. Overall I'm up 75% from the bottom.

Edit:I just came across this article. Despite the ridiculous header there's some interesting tidbits in it.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/03/pf/outsmart_market.fortune/index.htm

Fact No. 1: Outwitting the market is tough.

There's a good chance you've learned this the hard way. Remember when you were a tech-stock genius, circa 1999? Or how you didn't really gain confidence in the bull market that started in 2002 until about 2005, only to be really confident just in time for the market's top in 2007?

If experience hasn't schooled you, the numbers can: Over the past 15 years, about 60% of the mutual funds that invest in blue-chip stocks failed to beat the S&P 500 index, the frequently cited proxy for "the market." Managers of bond and foreign-stock funds also struggle to beat benchmarks.
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Why markets are efficient - except when they're not

The case for index funds and the case for buy and hold aren't necessarily identical, but they share a common intellectual root: the idea that markets are what economists call "efficient."

The stock market is made up of lots of buyers and sellers who have access to the same information. If you think Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) is cheap at $29 a share, you're betting that you know something the trader selling it to you from Fidelity or Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500) or some hedge fund hasn't yet figured out. That's a tough bet to win more than half the time.

The efficient-markets hypothesis also says that if some pattern or formula emerges that leads to higher returns with no extra risk, it will disappear quickly as investors swoop in to exploit it. Result: Stock prices move around randomly. And if you want to get a higher return than the market, you have to take on more risk.

Also tilting the scale toward indexing is what Vanguard founder John Bogle once called the "cost matters" hypothesis. Since actively managed funds slice an average of 1.4% a year from returns in fees (plus high unseen trading costs), it's hard for them to beat an index fund charging less than 0.2%.
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Meanwhile, behavioral economics has identified persistent psychological biases that cause investors to make substantial errors in pricing assets. For example, Yale's Robert Shiller and Wellesley's Karl Case surveyed homebuyers in cities experiencing a real estate bubble and found that many expected houses to appreciate a wildly unrealistic 10% per year for 10 years.
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From 1989 through 2008, the S&P 500 gained a bit more than 8% a year, but the average equity fund investor earned less than 2% thanks to lousy timing, according to the research firm Dalbar.

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Right now, U.S. stock returns are still negative over the past 10 years. Japan's market (not counting dividends) is about where it was in 1984.
 

Ether_Snake

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Ether_Snake said:
I bought some more TTWO at $7.80.

Shares of Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. advanced ahead of regular trading Friday after activist investor Carl Icahn reported buying up a stake of more than 11 percent in the video game maker.

Up 15% right now!

I'm always right about game stocks:)
 
liquidatedbrains said:
anyone investing in gold? im curious to see if anybody made an obscene profit at the price it was last week
Yeah, I shorted GC gold furtures about 3 weeks ago when it was at 1188. Sitting on a price profit currently. I plan to get out around 1060 to 1080. I expect gold to bounce once we get to that level.
 

Ovid

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Damn, I haven't visited this thread in a while. I haven't traded anything in over a month. I decided to contribute more to my savings account and put trading on hold for a while. I'll probably start again next summer. Currently holding F, JBLU, STEM, CBAI, INTC, DELL, PALM, DIS, CAE. I don't think I'll be adding to those position anytime soon.
 

Ether_Snake

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TTWO went from 7.80 when I bought some last week to 9.8 today.

I'm hoping they get bought out next year but at the same time I doubt it.

Most game stocks are up quite a lot today.
 

Ether_Snake

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China Property Bubble May Lead to U.S.-Style Real Estate Slump

Li originally planned to buy his own place when he got married, but after watching Beijing real estate prices soar, he has been spending all his free time searching for an apartment. If he finds the right place -- preferably a two-bedroom in the historic Dongcheng quarter, near the city center -- he hopes to buy immediately. Act now, he figures, or live with Mom and Dad forever. In the last 12 months such apartments have doubled or tripled in price, to about $400 per square foot.

“This year they’ll be even higher,” says Li in the Jan. 11 issue of Bloomberg BusinessWeek.

Millions of Chinese are pursuing property with a zeal once typical of house-happy Americans. Some Chinese are plunking down wads of cash for homes. Others are taking out mortgages at record levels. Developers are snapping up land for luxury high- rises and villas, and the banks are eagerly funding them. Some local officials are even building towns from scratch in the desert, certain that demand won’t flag. And if families can swing it, they buy two apartments: one to live in, one to flip when prices jump further.

And jump they have. In Shanghai, prices for high-end real estate were up 54 percent through September, to $500 per square foot. In November alone, housing prices in 70 major cities rose 5.7 percent, while housing starts nationwide rose a staggering 194 percent. The real estate rush is fueling fears of a bubble that could burst later in 2010, devastating homeowners, banks, developers, stock markets, and local governments.

Koyo Ozeki, an analyst at U.S. investment manager Pimco, estimates that only 10 percent of residential sales in China are for the mass market. Developers find the margins in high-end housing much fatter than returns from building ordinary homes.

How did this bubble get going? Low interest rates, official encouragement of bank lending, and then Beijing’s half-trillion- dollar stimulus plan all made funds readily available. City and provincial governments have been gladly cooperating with developers: Economists estimate that half of all local government revenue comes from selling state-owned land.

Chinese consumers, fearing inflation will return and outstrip the tiny interest they earn on their savings, have pursued property ever more aggressively. Companies in the chemical, steel, textile, and shoe industries have started up property divisions too: The chance of a quick return is much higher than in their primary business.

“When you sit down with a table of businessmen, the story is usually how they got lucky from a piece of land,” says Andy Xie, an independent economist who once worked in Hong Kong as Morgan Stanley’s top Asia analyst. “No one talks about their factories making money these days.”

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It’s not encouraging that the Chinese have been ham-handed about stopping previous real estate frenzies. In the 1990s the government brutally ended a bubble in Shanghai and Beijing by cutting off credit to developers and hiking rates sharply. The measures worked, but property prices plunged and economic growth slowed.

Analysts are divided over the probabilities of such a crash, but even real estate executives are getting nervous. Wang Shi, chairman of top developer China Vanke Co., has warned repeatedly in recent weeks about the risk of a bubble. In his most recent comments he expressed fear that the bubble might spread far beyond Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen.

One difficulty in handicapping the likelihood of a nasty pullback is the opacity of the data. As long as property prices stay high, the balance sheets of the developers look strong. And no one knows for sure how much of the more than $1.3 trillion in last year’s bank loans funded real estate ventures.

China is following the US step by step here. The results are unavoidable, no matter what they do, it will be the same. The bubble will burst.

The good thing in all of this is that there will be a lot of houses available, like in the US. But the problem with the US is that instead of using this to the nation's advantage and keep the losses on the private sector's side, the government absorbed the losses, so no one benefits from the cheap housing since in the end they are getting in great debt indirectly as the government's debt grows.

In China, I wonder what the government will do when the bubble burst. The same as the US? We'll see.
 

Ether_Snake

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I think XOM and/or BHI are a pretty good buy right now if you want to make a quick 7% in around a month or so. They have been a bit low compared to the rest of the sector, I think they are bound to bounce back up to their recent high. Maybe TAP too.

Is no one investing anymore?:p I'm going through my list right now because I want to put some money into something, but my bank is still offering nothing good so I'm stuck with stocks (I already increased my 401K contribution per pay check for 2010). Anyone has any other recommendation than stocks? I'm not in a hurry, some of the stocks I own I've had since late 2007.

Everything is very high right now, it's difficult to find some under valued stocks. A LOT of stocks are almost back at a five year high!

I'm thinking of buying some XOM tomorrow, but I'll hold it for longer than a 7% gain. I think.

EDIT: And there we go, BHI up 5%
 

Ether_Snake

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Seems like it went up after Morgan Stanley announced they reached 5% of the total capital and after an upgrade.

I don't own any UBI shares (but I work there). I think it is under valued, long-term-wise. They never fired anyone during the whole recession like EA and co. did, so there is room for cutting if the need ever arises too.

I hope Splinter Cell can do well, and hopefully AC2 can sell well after its price falls, because it will be difficult to replicate AC1's sales success with 2010 being so fucking competitive. The bulk of AC1's sales were after 2007, when there was less new games on the market and it started falling in price.

BHI went up 9% in two days:)

Bought 50 shares of XOM at 69.90. I don't expect a big return on the short term, but I should be able to pull a 7% or so, maybe even 10% in a few months.
 

otake

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I find it very difficult to get in on this.

I have some extra cash. I'm not a finance major. I don't know how to evaluate stocks. I probably can't dedicate myself to beating the market. I'm fairly conservative with my money. So I have concluded, the best course of action if I am to invest is get into Index funds, particular S&P 500 index.

The problem is, I don't fully understand what I'm doing. I've been reading investopedia like crazy and this book "Winning the Losers Game" and I still don't understand. It's also disheartening when I see that to start off, I have to put in $3K.

If you only make money when you sell, then you're not winning till you sell, right? Help me understand why this is better than putting money into CDs.
 

Ether_Snake

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I do it because first and foremost there is a sector I understand (video games), which was what I first invested in. So I have a "safe" ground. The other stocks I purchase are based on ratios (I compare different companies, even if I don't understand things in the details it's easy to see if one has better ratios than another), and I look at the charts. What I do is look for stocks that have suddenly dipped from a good high, I look at the ratios, and then wait for the shares to start rising a bit over a relatively short time, and buy. Then I prepare to sell when it is close to return to the previous high. Quite often it keeps on rising after I sell (bought RTP at 145, sold at 200, but it is now at 230), but it's my way of trading and better safe than sorry.

Outside of that it's just a question of me not liking the return rate on CDs. I can make the equivalent return (in fact, easily twice or three times the amount) that a CD gets me in a year in around two weeks if I'm patient enough to buy at the right time, and I'm rather patient, I don't buy often, I wait for what I perceive as good opportunities.

If I was you, the first and most important investment you should make is contribute to your 401k. That's where the money goes first. I've been increasing my contributions to my 401k because I don't want to hoard cash in my account with no return, and I made 17% in 2008 (a year where everyone I know had their 401k turn up with negative returns), so I think it's pretty safe and should put more money in it.

I go:
401k
CELI (not sure what it is called in the US, but basically an account through which you can invest and not pay a cent of income tax on your returns), pretty much only stock purchases for this one
Investment account, also only stocks
CDs, when interest rates will be decent. They never are IMO.
 

otake

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I don't qualify for the 401K in my company yet. I plan on opening a regular IRA when I file my taxes this year.

I don't believe I can beat the market. But I think I can do index funds. I could buy in, wait a year and cash out.

Are you sure you profit with that strategy, considering transaction fees and taxes?
 

Ether_Snake

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Yeah I profit with that strategy, but I don't apply it to everything. I don't do day-trading at all. Most of what I own I've had over a year. I apply that strategy to maybe 25% of my stock purchases, the ones I don't understand as well as the game sector. Also, I don't pay taxes on my gain if the gains are through my CELI account.
 

Ether_Snake

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BHI went up around 15% since I said it could go up 7% in a month or so (took five days), :lol

Should have added to BHI instead of buying XOM, but I'm confident XOM will go up, just not as much.

As for THQ, I don't know, I never bought THQ shares because I don't think the company will ever go up again. Only potential with them is getting bought, and between them and TTWO my bet is on TTWO.

I have no idea about Sprint so I can say nothing about that.
 

Ether_Snake

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Just sold all my HON shares, which I have had for around a year and a half I think, or almost, for a measly $345 gain (on a $4700 investment).

Unployment is too shit right now, and it's one of the stocks I own that I don't really understand the sector. I could probably have kept it for long term, but I don't feel good about the employment situation.

Difficult decisions, unclear times.
 

otake

Doesn't know that "You" is used in both the singular and plural
I still haven't made up my mind about investing. Been thinking of putting $3K down on the S&P500 Index but I still don't know how I'm going to make money off it.
 

kathode

Member
It's not so much important that you have enough to make money immediately. The important thing is that you establish a pattern of adding over time to your investments. It's great to watch your account grow over time from returns, but it's important to keep increasing your principal as well, as that will in turn increase any returns you get.
 
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