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[Strangelove77]

So they just released a deluxe edition on PSN for $90. It's the game, season pass and a theme.
What a weird fucking time to release that. Capcom, please.

 

[i HeaR MusiC]

I wish people would stop with the buff/nerf talk. It's STILL too early to be claiming who's top tier and who's not. Stop it. If anything FR proved once again that we have no clue what we are talking about.

 

[skLaFarebear]

I wish people would stop with the buff/nerf talk. It's STILL too early to be claiming who's top tier and who's not. Stop it. If anything FR proved once again that we have no clue what we are talking about.

Make Zangief Great Again.

Damn. Server down just as I dizzied my opponent. Oh well, wouldn't have mattered anyway...it was just the first round

I had to rush my last match so I can grab the FM. I had to rush for that stun so I can do my max punish into super.

 

[Syntsui]

Getting into top 8 in a 1024 man bracket is a cakewalk? This is probably coming from an 0-2 specialist too smh

Being the player he is, a very small number of players stand a chance against him. Most of the players he faced before the Top 8 are nowhere near as good as him or even experienced in big stages (suffering a lot of pressure) like that. And yes, He beat Wolfkrone, that sure was though. It was a shame what happened there and that we couldn't watch the rematch.

You have to understand that I'm not downplaying him, I'm downplaying the character he chose to use. I don't see him having success with him in a tournament where he faces a lot of players of his level+ in a row. Maybe it's too early to judge FANG, there might be interesting tools for him yet to be discovered, but as far as we know right now, the character is not good.

 

[HiResDes]

Yeah I would like to rescind all of my Cammy complaints as I've learned some new tech that I think definitely puts her in the very good range rather than the average tier range. I'll eat my words. Also Mika is much better than I thought as well, having played against some Ultra Silver ones now and her corner pressure/mixup game is kind of ridiculous.

EDIT: Server down for everyone?

 

["God's Beard!"]

I wish people would stop with the buff/nerf talk. It's STILL too early to be claiming who's top tier and who's not. Stop it. If anything FR proved once again that we have no clue what we are talking about.

I've been saying for a while that ryu is the best character, and FR only reinforced that opinion. I was slightly surprised by some top players' opinions of necalli, though. I play him and think he's great, but certainly not #1.

 

[Boogalogist]

I still think Bison needs an overhead!

 

[Sinatar]

I think Tokido pretty much exposed how weak FANG is as a character with his complete and utter destruction of SonicFox.

Honestly I would be surprised if Fox sticks with FANG after that.

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Yeah I would like to rescind all of my Cammy complaints as I've learned some new tech that I think definitely puts her in the very good range rather than the average tier range. I'll eat my words. Also Mika is much better than I thought as well, having played against some Ultra Silver ones now and her corner pressure/mixup game is kind of ridiculous.

EDIT: Server down for everyone?

There's server maintenance today.

EDIT:

We have now shutdown #SFV servers for routine maintenance, today (3/22), from 10 AM to 5 PM PDT.

https://twitter.com/SFVServer/status/712322955619864579

 

[mbpm1]

Yeah I would like to rescind all of my Cammy complaints as I've learned some new tech that I think definitely puts her in the very good range rather than the average tier range. I'll eat my words. Also Mika is much better than I thought as well, having played against some Ultra Silver ones now and her corner pressure/mixup game is kind of ridiculous.

EDIT: Server down for everyone?

They said yesterday they'll have server maintenance for like 7 hours starting now.

 

[Shito]

So they just released a deluxe edition on PSN for $90. It's the game, season pass and a theme.
What a weird fucking time to release that. Capcom, please.

Did they?
Because that's the edition I've preordered and bought two months ago on the European store.

 

[HiResDes]

What the fuck am I going to down for seven hours on my day off? Actually live IRL like a real human being?

 

[Syntsui]

Fang won't hold him back. He'll drop a character or pick a stronger one up if he needs too. Getting Top 8 at a large major with only a couple months of playtime in a game is a great, and once he's more familir with the game he'll do even better. Improving his punishes alone will be a world of difference for Sonicfox's ganeplay.

Yes, if MK X is anything to go by, I see him mastering a few character for specific situations in the future. The boy is a beast and as time goes by, I'm sure he will mark his name as one of the best of the world in SFV.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I think Tokido pretty much exposed how weak FANG is as a character with his complete and utter destruction of SonicFox.

Honestly I would be surprised if Fox sticks with FANG after that.

Are SonicFox and Tokido considered to be equally skilled Street Fighter players?

 

[Sinatar]

What the fuck am I going to down for seven hours on my day off? Actually live IRL like a real human being?

Learn a new character in training mode.

 

[skLaFarebear]

I think Tokido pretty much exposed how weak FANG is as a character with his complete and utter destruction of SonicFox.

Honestly I would be surprised if Fox sticks with FANG after that.

Are we really using Tokido bodying other players as a measuring stick of how good/bad characters are? Seriously?

 

[Nemesis121]

Ryu Army

A pretty clean spread, nice

Ryu is still fucking king, he's not a complicated character and doesn't require much to get good damage...

 

[Sinatar]

Are we really using Tokido bodying other players as a measuring stick of how good/bad characters are? Seriously?

Tokido didn't do anything even remotely impressive during that match, he just demonstrated all the areas where FANG is weak and blew him up.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Tokido didn't do anything even remotely impressive during that match, he just demonstrated all the areas where FANG is weak and blew him up.

He didn't do anything impressive to utterly destroy Mago 3-0 either. But I guess Karin is a terrible character too. It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that Tokido just showed how much better he is than Mago and SonicFox at the moment.

Or how Nando only got two rounds on him. I guess we're just putting Mika back to being the worst character again after being the most broken one in the span of a week.

 

[RapidCancel]

I think Tokido pretty much exposed how weak FANG is as a character with his complete and utter destruction of SonicFox.

Honestly I would be surprised if Fox sticks with FANG after that.

How can that be the bar that determines that FANG is a terrible character? That speaks more of Tokido and SonicFox than anything. He destroyed Mago's Karin the match before.

 

[Vice]

Tokido didn't do anything even remotely impressive during that match, he just demonstrated all the areas where FANG is weak and blew him up.

That's what Tokido did against nearly every player though, even ones using characters people feel are better.

 

[mbpm1]

I guess we're just putting Mika back to being the worst character again after being the most broken one in the span of a week.

That's how balancing works

 

[CountBlack]

Being the player he is, a very small number of players stand a chance against him. Most of the players he faced before the Top 8 are nowhere near as good as him or even experienced in big stages (suffering a lot of pressure) like that. And yes, He beat Wolfkrone, that sure was though. It was a shame what happened there and that we couldn't watch the rematch.

You have to understand that I'm not downplaying him, I'm downplaying the character he chose to use. I don't see him having success with him in a tournament where he faces a lot of players of his level+ in a row. Maybe it's too early to judge FANG, there might be interesting tools for him yet to be discovered, but as far as we know right now, the character is not good.

He beat Wolfkrone, NuckleDu and Julio. All players who have experienced the big stage. His only losses were to Brent and Tokido. Should we be downplaying Brent's achievements too? Did he have a cakewalk into top 8? Most players should know the Ken matchup so him making it that far must've been handed to him I guess

I think Tokido pretty much exposed how weak FANG is as a character with his complete and utter destruction of SonicFox.

Honestly I would be surprised if Fox sticks with FANG after that.

This is such a defeatist attitude.

You don't take one L then drop the character and switch to a better one. You watch the tapes, see what the opponent did to beat you and create a counter strategy to that. This is how you get better at fighting games.

This is exactly why some people stay stagnant when they're in the learning phase and barely evolve as a player.

 

[BiggNife]

Saying Fox lost because of FANG and Tokido won because of Ryu is like saying Infil won because of Nash. It's downplaying the players' actual skill in favor of tiers which really isn't fair.

(and yes, I know Nash is top tier, but he's not broken like some people are claiming. Infil is just a monster.)

 

[mbpm1]

Speaking of Du, that match was hotness. Aggressive (former) Youngster match. But SonicFox knows about aggression from MK so he just took it to him

 

[Shito]

I wish people would stop with the buff/nerf talk. It's STILL too early to be claiming who's top tier and who's not. Stop it. If anything FR proved once again that we have no clue what we are talking about.

Yep.
It's still too soon to argue precisely about tiers while looking only at tournament results. What happened at FR was 90% about the players rather than the characters they were playing.
Infiltration is such a good player he made Nash look broken.
Tokido is such a good player he made Ryu look godlike.
Haitani is such a good player he made Necalli look like the king of the footsies.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Tokido didn't do anything even remotely impressive during that match, he just demonstrated all the areas where FANG is weak and blew him up."


Not accurate. Tokido showed extensive matchup knowledge (a surprising amount) and it did not look like SonicFox had the same level of experience.

Example: The one time SonicFox tried meaty bomb, Tokido dp'd it on reaction. Tokido tatsuing through bomb/fireball setups every time and SonicFox continuing to do it, most likely because very few people have been doing that.

 

[vocab]

He didn't do anything impressive to utterly destroy Mago 3-0 either. But I guess Karin is a terrible character too. It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that Tokido just showed how much better he is than Mago and SonicFox at the moment.

Well he did do jump os a couple of times too, but Im pretty sure tokido understands magos weaknesses more than any considering they play outside tournament.

 

[Syntsui]

Tokido and Infiltration are on a level of their own at the moment to be honest. I guess Haitani too, the japaneses think he is the best right now if I remember correctly.

"Tokido didn't do anything even remotely impressive during that match, he just demonstrated all the areas where FANG is weak and blew him up."


Not accurate. Tokido showed extensive matchup knowledge (a surprising amount) and it did not look like SonicFox had the same level of experience.

Example: The one time SonicFox tried meaty bomb, Tokido dp'd it on reaction. Tokido tatsuing through bomb/fireball setups every time and SonicFox continuing to do it, most likely because very few people have been doing that.

Yeah, Ultra David talked about it and Tokido confirmed he knew the match up really well and was confortable.

 

[i HeaR MusiC]

Also take into consideration SonicFox was busy winning the MKX tourny while Tokido was probably practicing the match up. The kid is a monster.

 

[Syntsui]

Should we be downplaying Brent's achievements too?

He definetly had an easy path too. It's a fact considering who he played and who the other players played. Let's just stop with this.

 

[Skilletor]

There is no easy path in a 1000 man tourney. Stop trying to downplay what these people accomplished.

 

[Lulubop]

He definetly had an easy path too. It's a fact considering who he played and who the other players played. Let's just stop with this.

Nah, you needa stop with this easy path shit, real talk.

 

[mnz]

He definetly had an easy path too. It's a fact considering who he played and who the other players played. Let's just stop with this.

Well he beat SonicFox 2-0 atleast then lol

Brentt got 5th in a 1024 man tournament...

 

[Producer]

as a gold league player i can say these folks definitely had an easy path. The stress of playing in a 1000+ man tournament is nothing compared to the stress of potentially getting deranked in a ranked match.

 

[Csr]

He definetly had an easy path too. It's a fact considering who he played and who the other players played. Let's just stop with this.

Lets just say easier path than other players in top8 because it wasn't easy at all.

 

["God's Beard!"]

People who say Tokido beat SonicFox while others didn't only because of some innate skill difference really aren't paying attention. He won that match by making SonicFox's setups and tendencies useless, not by winning footsie wars and having godlike reactions and reads. He was the only person that proved they showed up knowing how to fight FANG.

That's why people like UltraDavid are saying SonicFox might need to reevaluate his character. He didn't lose on skill level terms, it was all knowledge.

Infiltration is winning basically 100% on raw skill. Tokido is boosting his own(incredible) skill with a higher level of game knowledge than other competitors showed.

Ryu is still fucking king, he's not a complicated character and doesn't require much to get good damage...

He also has the best tools. People sleep on Ryu by default but he doesn't just have the tools to win, his tools are just better than what other characters get. Meterless invincible reversal, a parry that turns common tech into liabilities, great frame data, a jLK that stuffs anti-airs, one of if not the best chip supers in the game, great stats that are above-average on pretty much every front.

Not only does he not have significant weaknesses, but he excels at basically everything.

 

[CountBlack]

as a gold league player i can say these folks definitely had an easy path. The stress of playing in a 1000+ man tournament is nothing compared to the stress of potentially getting deranked in a ranked match.

cryn

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

So they just released a deluxe edition on PSN for $90. It's the game, season pass and a theme.
What a weird fucking time to release that. Capcom, please.

makes sense, get people jazzed when they drop the Alex patch tonight.

 

[Gunslinger]

Why people here doubting sonicfox? Guy is legitimately good. He dominates MK and now he will dominate sfv. A good player is a good player period.

 

[Skilletor]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";198908562]People who say Tokido beat SonicFox while others didn't only because of some innate skill difference really aren't paying attention. He won that match by making SonicFox's setups and tendencies useless, not by winning footsie wars and having godlike reactions and reads. He was the only person that proved they showed up knowing how to fight FANG.

That's why people like UltraDavid are saying SonicFox might need to reevaluate his character. He didn't lose on skill level terms, it was all knowledge.

Infiltration is winning basically 100% on raw skill. Tokido is boosting his own(incredible) skill with a higher level of game knowledge than other competitors showed.



He also has the best tools. People sleep on Ryu by default but he doesn't just have the tools to win, his tools are just better than what other characters get. Meterless invincible reversal, a parry that turns common tech into liabilities, great frame data, a jLK that stuffs anti-airs, one of if not the best chip supers in the game, great stats that are above-average on pretty much every front.

Not only does he not have significant weaknesses, but he excels at basically everything.[/QUOTE]

Yup yup yup.

Also Re: Ryu, stuff like how he's growing is why I always shook my head that people were crying "nerf" when he lost links in the betas. Dude would be so fucking broken if he still had all that stuff, lol.

 

[mnz]

I've never been so happy to see a game go down for seven hours. I hope they get some good work done today.

My expectations are so low by now. I expect the servers to be down for 24 hours and the game to be f'd after

 

[Alucrid]

look i'll be honest, i'm probably at least two times as good as tokido, three and a half times as good as sonic fox and maybe a fifth better than infiltration

 

[skLaFarebear]

My expectations are so low by now. I expect the servers to be down for 24 hours and the game to be f'd after

When the servers finally go back up, we'll boot up the game and SF4 will be there instead.

 

[Ucchedavāda]

as a gold league player i can say these folks definitely had an easy path. The stress of playing in a 1000+ man tournament is nothing compared to the stress of potentially getting deranked in a ranked match.

Sure, but keep in mind that Final Round participants couldn't just pull the plug to avoid a loss. Team RZR learned that the hard way.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Wait, nothing.

 

[Secret Character]

Sure, but keep in mind that Final Round participants couldn't just pull the plug to avoid a loss. Team RZR learned that the hard way.

Gah Damn

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Wait, nothing.

And I was just about to make a sarcastic comment at your expense, before your edit. ;-)

 

[professor denim]

Cant get in into the game. Servers down?

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Cant get in into the game. Servers down?

There's server maintenance for the next 6 hours or so, or perhaps "indefinitely".