Justin Wong won Canada Cup: Vancouver using only Ed.
http://compete.kotaku.com/top-pro-dominates-tournament-with-street-fighter-v-s-ne-1796716123
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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Justin Wong won Canada Cup: Vancouver using only Ed.
http://compete.kotaku.com/top-pro-dominates-tournament-with-street-fighter-v-s-ne-1796716123
TheSpoiler
Member
I think Ryu can win a tournament. I've seen him in some Top 8s. His buffs aren't good but it's enough to keep him out of being unwinnable. He just takes far too much work.
katsubento
Member
I hate that I have to add a replay to my list, then back out and go to my replays to watch it.
not any notable top 8's i'd bet. He aint winning shit lol
I've thought about this, but given that replays and exp points/league points seem to make it to the server even after an initial failure to connect, I think there's separate services for matchmaking, replay storage and points
in a lobby I assume the spectators are seeing a streamed replay. so at least there's need to be a server immediately available for the replay in a lobby. the aggression meter may be based on replay data too. by the same token, replay data does not seem to need any post processing so the server just gives spectators the same data it received?
it is possible that SFV does a little more behind the scenes than SF4 did thus making it require more infrastructure, but from where I am sitting, it doesn't look an order of magnitude more complex than what SF4 did
I think the biggest issue is when the matchmaking servers do as a proxy between people who cannot get a connection, but this is so laggy as to be useless, and in my experience, really really rare. maybe it is there only to make sure that any two players can have a match together no matter what. that may make CFN really work more and put a strain on the servers, but again, it is so rare and undesirable that I cannot imagine it being a big source of problems
The Lone Dragon
Member
Well even if it is separate services, it's still their "CFN" and could be what they've been working on or what has been stressing the servers.
And yeah, the replay data seems to be the "negotiated" version of a match that also decides about rollback states and things like that. That's also why you don't see lag in them even if that match was stuttery/in slow-motion or whatever.
And could you really do the same things in SF4? Like follow specific account and watch all their matches? I remember early on, some players actually didn't like that you could watch EVERYTHING.
All the replay data consists of are a player's button inputs and aesthetic properties like background and costumes. It's just like replays for StarCraft II; they're not actually video archives (so the file sizes are extremely small). It's why I doubt they'd have a real impact on the integrity of CFN.
I fought mono's fang online yesterday. Nerf fang
lucebuce12
Member
While Killer Instinct's replay function lacks options that SFV's replay viewer has, KI's replays also display rollback and lag (if any) exactly as it occurred for you.
well yeah, it is all CFN. we also don't see under the covers so much for the match making and replay, as we do with the league points, which we regularly see fail and then get through, but on the other hand I don't remember the list of replays ever failing to load
which is why, in my mind, they are somewhat separate services
but it could also be that once someone is "hooked" into a matchmaking server, the rate of matchmaking will depend on how loaded with replays/league points/whatever the server is. Depending on how they are grouped
it's possible the matchmaking / league points is one thing and the replay service is separated from that. matchmaking and league points/fight money are the services that seem the less reliable. it'd make sense to group them, as matchmaking depends on league points, at least for ranked matches, and your points/fight money will update once you get the next match lined up by the matchmaking server, even if they "failed to send data to the servers", so basically once you "get through" to the matchmaking server again, all your points go in
that's amazing
lucebuce12
Member
Here's a video from a replay of a match like 2-3 weeks ago. I'm like 97% sure that the guy was in the US so (97% chance) that it's a match from US to Pakistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0c96hzVHSA
The sequences of rollback are noticeable even in the replay.
If Fuudo takes off his glasses at EVO, we're all screwed. The final evolution of a Mika player.
lucebuce12
Member
In periods of rollback, the end result will be the same thing but there will be differences in the part that gets rollback.
When the game first came out, there was actually a very real issue of de-sync where straight up 2 separate games were going on. One person could be playing a completely different match as compared to the other person.
You'll have to specify which.
He has one which is a focus attack. It can absorb an infinite amount of projectiles or one physical hit. It's +8 oB, poisons them and knocks down on hit, and is an unblockable that staggers (leading to an easy combo) + poison when fully charged. He can spend half a bar of meter to cancel any normal or his stab special into it, and he can cancel the focus attack into a forward or back dash.
The one where the bats cover the background? That's his Instinct. The game's version of V-Trigger. RAAM's instinct covers the screen and himself with bats, making it incredibly hard to see. But more importantly, your opponent keeps taking potential damage. That means that if you manage to start a combo and then properly end it, you lose a lot more health than usual. It's one of the deadliest comeback factors in the game as landing a single hit into a combo ender can mean half your health gone or more, as you can see here or here
I'm going to pretend I never saw this.
TheSpoiler
Member
One of them took out Nemo a few months ago and made it to a Japanese Top 8 from it IIRC.
Another one made it to Top 8 with Smug, Chris G, and a few other killers wandering around. He switched when he got sent to losers though.
Other than that, I don't remember him popping up much. I have faith though!
lucebuce12
Member
things went south p fast for that poor jago
I don't think those matches makes it apparent, but RAAM is like an unholy fusion of Gief from SFIV with FANG.
RAAM has a poison mechanic which takes a pretty decent chunk of the opponent's health over time.
He has the best command grab in the game that always gives you a hard knockdown which you can reset or OTG off of (leading to more setups). He has arguably one of the best AA normal in the game with his cr.hp (which can often be cancelled into the poison move for free poison).
And his EX command grab is 1-frame startup. LITERALLY the fastest move in the game, and it has throw invincibility which means he can punish in situations where even DPs might not work. And Orchid has a 2-frame startup fully invincible meterless DP.
His normals are pretty scary, plus(ish) on block and have damn good range.
But to counter, he is THE SLOWEST character in the game with the least mobility options in general. He depends on hard reads and slow and patient play. If you do play him well though, he can have the highest damage output in the game if you mix poison and/or instinct in with his combos or grabs.
TheSpoiler
Member
tfw I'm back on the Guile train.
Buy his story mode costume color 14
TheSpoiler
Member
Its the one where he gets a tan, goes platinum blond, and they give him darker more realistic military green.
lucebuce12
Member
Can't believe I'm still like 5 levels away from unlocking FANG's level 50.
This is a character I even did hard survival with!
This is a character I even did hard survival with!
TheSpoiler
Member
Yeah, that's what I rock.
I want more colors like that.
And Guile is super fun once you learn how to be aggressive with him.
I want more colors like that.
And Guile is super fun once you learn how to be aggressive with him.
Its the one where he gets a tan, goes platinum blond, and they give him darker more realistic military green.
Okay, that color is boss.
Depends on the outfit
Kolins 15 for her story turns into a x men
Unrelated on of my favorite ed's
One of the types of colors I like are variances on main colors
Another thing I enjoy is changed to hair and skin color
I'll get my levels 50 when I get to them
I did extreme survival with urien and it barley dented his exp after level 30
I'll get there when I get there.
Oh I forgot about that one. I'll have to snag it since I just hit 50
You don't need to be 50 for the story mode and battle outfit costumes
You just need fight money
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
Can the more experienced players answer a question for me please.
Why is it that some times i play people and its like they games rules dont apply.
For example as mika if i hit a combo ending in flying peach i should be able to dash and do mk and have it beat any normal wake up button. However sometimes i play someone and they get up faster and hit me. And it applies to all my follow ups so i basically cant rely on anything to actually hit and instead doing a follow up means i am getting massively punished every time.
Its not like once in a while in the match. Its every time. Is it just lag?
Why is it that some times i play people and its like they games rules dont apply.
For example as mika if i hit a combo ending in flying peach i should be able to dash and do mk and have it beat any normal wake up button. However sometimes i play someone and they get up faster and hit me. And it applies to all my follow ups so i basically cant rely on anything to actually hit and instead doing a follow up means i am getting massively punished every time.
Its not like once in a while in the match. Its every time. Is it just lag?
Maybe the timing is real tight to beat a quick-rise, and you're used to most people doing the back recovery? That's been my experience whenever I try to use one of those setups that cover both recovery options.
Try the setup in training mode against a dummy with random recovery using a 3 frame move on wakeup.
Specific situations have specific reasons; the answer is usually not "lag." What you're talking about concerning the dash > f.MK follow-up to a Peach with Mika will happen at certain distances when a Peach hits meaty (in this case, it means later in its active frames than it usually hits). If you're slightly too far, your advantage on the opponent's rise will be +2 more or something than it usually is, causing the f.MK to whiff.
If it's every single time, though, it has to come down to user error.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
No its not wiffing. In 95% of matches it works exactly as it should. But when this happens they hit me before the mk has even finished its start up frames. Like they are rising faster than should be possible. And they will be able to do it every time. Next person i fight it will work as intended.
Basically stuff i have done in practise against 3 frame wake ups and know works. A few rare people seem to somehow rise faster than should be possible.
That's impossible, so it comes down to user error. Posting a video of it happening could help. I mean, lag could be a factor, but then that would have its hand on a whole lot of other things going on during a match, which would be easy to recognize.
Looking forward to hearing nothing.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I should have recorded it then compared it to the replay or something.
But the three moves are
Flying peach > dash into mk. This counter hits quick rise and back rise.
Body splash > dash f+hp.
Wingless aero > dash > lp.
In almost all matches and training this works. But very rarely it doesnt and what i described happens where they seem to rise early. I was way to generous before saying 5% of the time because in reality its less than 1% of the time. Today was infact the first time in ages i encountered this issue. And i played 4 matches against him and every time without fail none of the above worked. Its odd.
He was pc and had something like 94% win rate. Was super silver and seems like he hasnt played ranked in months. Just seems odd thats all.
ColonialHawk
Member
Im sure it'll be something, just not the something you want.
the psylocke and cyclops colors are dope too
Ono's gonna be there, huh? Maybe he's gonna make good on his tease from January? Whatever the surprise is it's probably not anything major for SFV. It makes more sense to save Super SFV for PSX/Capcom Cup.
It's probably more merchandise or something of that nature.
4 new chun titty costumes. A remake of an old stage. An announcement that nostalgia costumes will be coming at a later date.
So another Chun Li dress?
Oh yeah, of course. New costumes and another remake stage make total sense.