Zombegoast
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They should really nerf his Cr.MP the hit box is still to big.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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They should really nerf his Cr.MP the hit box is still to big.
Probably too busy being a family man to think about it.
Oh yeah totally forgot that !
TheSpoiler
Member
Dude don't even like the game and he hit Top 16 god damn.
Also lmao at people on Twitter saying Nash is still great. He's below average but in SFV you can still take tournaments with characters like that.
Also lmao at people on Twitter saying Nash is still great. He's below average but in SFV you can still take tournaments with characters like that.
ColonialHawk
Member
Its not Nash winning tournaments, its Bonchan winning tournaments.
TheSpoiler
Member
It's both. Sorta.
Usually it's 1/2 the person and 1/2 the character. In most modern fighting games, you ain't getting carried by your character in tournament where the game is relatively balanced with people who know their shit. Maybe if it was month one and people were figuring shit out (ala Deathshot and people not realizing you can meter burn through the shots but I don't know if he won a tournament yet). But generally speaking, You and your character put in work.
The lower on the iter list you go, the more work you put in. So it's like 1/4 the character and 3/4 your own skill. The character is still viable, but it takes more effort to pull off that win. That's where Nash sits. But that makes Bonchan that much more impressive to take the character that far. It's no fluke. He got interrupted by Tokido's jump in doing an ex move and recovered doing another special, got damage, and converted off of that. To me, that's fucking insane.
Basically, Bonchan is a god, Nash isn't useless completely, and so long as you don't shit around with FANG, Alex, Ryu, or Juri, you can win a tournament.
Tekken has that level of play as well. Jack 7 is like lower mid and Saint takes that dude and shits on people with him.
Edit: I guess I should say I think the lowest tiers are like 0/4 and winning with them takes so much work and effort that you might as well just pick someone else. Then again, you never know. Some godlike FANG player can start pulling off consistent wins and pfffftttt jk.
Usually it's 1/2 the person and 1/2 the character. In most modern fighting games, you ain't getting carried by your character in tournament where the game is relatively balanced with people who know their shit. Maybe if it was month one and people were figuring shit out (ala Deathshot and people not realizing you can meter burn through the shots but I don't know if he won a tournament yet). But generally speaking, You and your character put in work.
The lower on the iter list you go, the more work you put in. So it's like 1/4 the character and 3/4 your own skill. The character is still viable, but it takes more effort to pull off that win. That's where Nash sits. But that makes Bonchan that much more impressive to take the character that far. It's no fluke. He got interrupted by Tokido's jump in doing an ex move and recovered doing another special, got damage, and converted off of that. To me, that's fucking insane.
Basically, Bonchan is a god, Nash isn't useless completely, and so long as you don't shit around with FANG, Alex, Ryu, or Juri, you can win a tournament.
Tekken has that level of play as well. Jack 7 is like lower mid and Saint takes that dude and shits on people with him.
Edit: I guess I should say I think the lowest tiers are like 0/4 and winning with them takes so much work and effort that you might as well just pick someone else. Then again, you never know. Some godlike FANG player can start pulling off consistent wins and pfffftttt jk.
Zombegoast
Member
Wait until a big tournament like CEO.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Why would there be stages in a character pass?
TheSpoiler
Member
Size has nothing to do with it when killers show up regardless. And every tournament he's been to, they've had great players. Even if some of the people aren't well known, it doesn't make them any less formidable.
Congrats to CountBlack on making it to top 16 at Toryuken.
https://youtu.be/U1x-l4CB3mY?t=16m1s
...There's worse shit too that's edited out.
TheSpoiler
Member
Was this eps before or after he got that sponsorship?
IDK seemed pretty scumbaggy to me
Rumor is his employees aren't even getting paid but he's made some sort of other accommodation for them.
ColonialHawk
Member
Depends what kinda of playstyle you looking for?
Ryu isn't in the best spot right now, but he's still the best to learn the game with.
I don't care for charge characters. I mained Laura at launch and did ~ok~ but i cant remember squat now.
Ryu's good for fundamentals, but he isn't exactly one of the best characters in the game right now. If you want someone who's easy to get into, Ed's probably your best bet whenever he comes out.
As someone who mained Ryu to learn how to play fighting games I never understood how he is supposed to be good for fundamentals. After picking Birdie I've learned way more about spacing, anti-airing consistently and not jumping recklessly than I ever did with Ryu.
In SFV, he's not. I'd recommend Necalli for a beginner in this game.
TheSpoiler
Member
Yeah Necalli is a better Ryu than Ryu is.
Man, limited time after work + socializing + other games really knocked me off the SFV wagon in the past week. And I'm getting myself hype to make a serious attempt to get into Tekken 7 in a few weeks, so man. But I'm hoping to get some time in this week, but Fire Emblem Echoes is addicting.
This reminds me that I hate Necalli's design and never actually touched him outside of story mode.
But shit, if this is the case, I need to hit the lab with him.
This reminds me that I hate Necalli's design and never actually touched him outside of story mode.
But shit, if this is the case, I need to hit the lab with him.
Cammy. Dead easy to use and good damage.
Necalli isn't a bad choice either, but I feel like he has so much busted shit that it may be difficult to adapt to a fairer character if you choose to move on from him eventually.
TheSpoiler
Member
Necalli's stuff isn't TOO busted. Once people are at a moderate level against you, the gameplan gets more advanced than hitting HK and looking for that CC. Your spacing still has to be on point, he just gets big boy damage and doesn't have long, intricate combos.
Work smart, not hard when you train. You'll be fine!
And Necaili is great.
Work smart, not hard when you train. You'll be fine!
And Necaili is great.
Nah, the fact that he has a command grab on top of his other tools makes him busted on all levels.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
A command grab he can land a combo or reset off of, at that. Such a weird thing to give a character who already has excellent pressure.
Right. And he's still gonna have his other shit like the 3f anti-air jab from hell and that ambiguous ass crossup. That's before we start getting into the stuff he has that is technically not "busted" but still places him far outside the realm of a "normal" character, like, uh, the fact that he has damn near every tool in the toolbox at his disposal. As far as "beginner" type characters go I feel like Cammy's at least a little more honest in these regards while still having the benefit of being super strong.
direct_quote
Member
And two 3f jabs, and like 5 CC normals... And a dive kick, projectile, infinite v-trigger.. Capcom pls...
Well you need a way to open up people who mindlessly block. Overhead that has CC property isn't enough.
sixteen-bit
Member
oh wow, it's unlisted now
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
He says a bunch of shit like how he got a girl to leave her old job and work for him the fired her a month later as she would go out with him. Then said she wouldn't marry him so she was out. Then said he was joking.
Also blanked out loads of stuff at the start about how he runs his business.
It was not remotely funny if he was joking and if he wasn't its fucked up.
Can someone explain to me why ryu is not good anymore. I have only really ever used him a bit but always thought he had some good stuff. Is it because they took away his non ex invinsible reversal?
spazchicken
Member
Got it. Easy. Too easy.
Marn is a slumlord, Marn also sexually harasses women
Really stubby normals really his biggest downfall for a character who's biggest strength is usually lies in the neutral... He also has absolutely no reliable shenanigans to open people up should you decide to abandon neutral.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
Ah ok that makes sense. I guess it depends what level you play as well. He seems good at lower levels where you can get away with more as he has easy combos and good damage. His parry can catch people off guard as well as long as they dont over use it so you just empty jump him lol.
Countblack vs JWong in winners finals of USF4 tourney at Toryuken 6. Elena mirror
https://www.twitch.tv/torontotoptiers2
You're welcome.
https://www.twitch.tv/torontotoptiers2
You're welcome.
I think I'm going to get a feel for Necalli either tonight or tomorrow before I hop back in the grind.
I'm glad I'm motivated somewhat in SFV for now, but I just got to face the music that FFXIV's new expansion and Gundam are likely going to take up my remaining free time this summer. But eh, whatevs, let's learn this caveman dude a bit.
direct_quote
Member
Truly the end game of SF4.
Yeah, fuck USF4 endgame meta.
A crime at display