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Newsflash: People are stupid.

Pokemons too apparently

 

[Stealth Editor]

Sugar is not bad. Fat is not bad. Cholesterol is not bad. Salt is not bad.
A normal human can consume all of these things, even in large quantities, with no negative affects. Excess consumption with no physical activity to match it is the problem.

Health nuts are on the same level as PETA.
It doesn't matter how far you go in trying to get healthy food. Those fresh organic crops have shit all over them. That healthy soy-based crap will give you cancer. Crap you grow in your own garden will leech heavy metals and other pollutants from the soil.

All food is poison. A healthy body will make use of the food and get rid of the shit (as actual shit!). Any dietary advice beyond "moderation and exercise" or "I'm your doctor, and we've determined you have condition X, and thus need to take action Y with regards to your diet" is bullshit.

You know, I used to think like that. Then adulthood hit me like a ton of brick. It took a lot of work to undo the damage I did to my body in my early twenties.

Youth is a safety net when it comes to nutrition, it allows you to do things in excess and when that runs out, you either open your mind and evolve or.. well.. you'll see.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

You know, I used to think like that. Then adulthood hit me like a ton of brick. It took a lot of work to undo the damage I did to my body in my early twenties.

Youth is a safety net when it comes to nutrition, it allows you to do things in excess and when that runs out, you either open your mind and evolve or.. well.. you'll see.

Think like what? All his post says is that 'moderation and exercise' is the best dietary advice, which is true. Nothing in his post talks about 'excess'.

 

[Shanadeus]

You know, I used to think like that. Then adulthood hit me like a ton of brick. It took a lot of work to undo the damage I did to my body in my early twenties.

Youth is a safety net when it comes to nutrition, it allows you to do things in excess and when that runs out, you either open your mind and evolve or.. well.. you'll see.

Sure it's good to keep an open mind, but detoxing and cleansing your bowels is just bullshit that is more likely to harm you rather than help.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I eat pretty damn healthy. No soda and I rarely eat out. I guess you could call me spoiled, but the only reason why I started to eat really healthy is because I developed mild acne. It's mild, but my face is so damn sensitive to A LOT of foods. Foods that are healthy, which I don't understand.

Anyway, If I eat a HUGE salad and take some ground fenugreek, my face clears up pretty face. Fenugreek is AMAZING. Good for digestion system and it helped me stay clear for quite a few weeks, which never happens.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I just looked on the back of my Simply Orange orange juice bottle, and it doesn't have any HFCS or sucrose in the ingredients. Just Orange Juice and some phosphorous or something. I think there's 11g of sugar per serving (4 servings per bottle), but it doesn't say that any of it is sucrose or fructose. Is it possible it's just the natural sugar from the fruit? Is this okay?

'moderation and exercise' is the best dietary advice, which is true.

Lol moderation. Everyone keeps excusing their behavior with "moderation". How much is enough? You could also smoke, drink and do drugs in moderation. You can eat fast food in moderation, you can eat high-sugar foods in moderation. That doesn't mean that just because you're not eating it all-day, every-day that it doesn't have an effect on your health regardless in the long-run.

 

[CrayzeeCarl]

I just looked on the back of my Simply Orange orange juice bottle, and it doesn't have any HFCS or sucrose in the ingredients. Just Orange Juice and some phosphorous or something. I think there's 11g of sugar per serving (4 servings per bottle), but it doesn't say that any of it is sucrose or fructose. Is it possible it's just the natural sugar from the fruit? Is this okay?

Natural sugar is sucrose, iirc. Sucrose = 50% glucose, 50% fructose. 11g isn't that much, though. There's 39g in a 12oz Coke.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I went to the supermarket. There was no bread, no jelly, no real orange juice or yogurt I could find that lacked "sucrose" or HCFS in that case. Everything had it in some form or another, and the yogurt that didn't was like over $5 for one little cup.

This diet is impossible unless you live outside the country or live on an organic farm. No wonder foreign diets are so much healthier.

 

[Jewbacca]

I went to the supermarket. There was no bread, no jelly, no real orange juice or yogurt I could find that lacked "sucrose" or HCFS in that case. Everything had it in some form or another, and the yogurt that didn't was like over $5 for one little cup.

This diet is impossible unless you live outside the country or live on an organic farm. No wonder foreign diets are so much healthier.

Uhhh well... most real fruits have a substantial fructose or sucrose content, thats why replacing coke machines with fruit juice machines in schools is kinda bullshit. It's better but not much better at all.

 

[kame-sennin]

I went to the supermarket. There was no bread, no jelly, no real orange juice or yogurt I could find that lacked "sucrose" or HCFS in that case. Everything had it in some form or another, and the yogurt that didn't was like over $5 for one little cup.

This diet is impossible unless you live outside the country or live on an organic farm. No wonder foreign diets are so much healthier.

The most important part of it is to remove all sugar drinks from your diet - leaving only water and milk - which isn't too hard. Beyond that, you just have to try to consume fiber alongside any sugar you take in (fruits do this naturally).

 

[Dogenzaka]

The most important part of it is to remove all sugar drinks from your diet - leaving only water and milk - which isn't too hard. Beyond that, you just have to try to consume fiber alongside any sugar you take in (fruits do this naturally).

I don't drink anything besides water, organic milk and orange juice or those Odwalla juices on occasion anyway.

I recently stopped organic milk for some reason and am drinking Rice Milk a lot for some reason.

I often have fruit smoothies, but it's blending real fruits and vegetables together. I often make smoothies in the morning with fresh strawberries, bananas, carrots, raspberries or blackberries in combination. Fruits must have a lot of sugar, but does that mean I have to remove fruit from my diet? If they have fiber in them, I assume it's okay to have them....but to me it sounds ludicrous to remove fruit from your diet because they have fructose or sucrose

According to that chart, grapes look phenomenal.

I think I'll buy some at the store.

 

[BorkBork]

I went to the supermarket. There was no bread, no jelly, no real orange juice or yogurt I could find that lacked "sucrose" or HCFS in that case. Everything had it in some form or another, and the yogurt that didn't was like over $5 for one little cup.

This diet is impossible unless you live outside the country or live on an organic farm. No wonder foreign diets are so much healthier.

Your experience is pretty common in a lot of places in North America, as many urban areas have become "food deserts" where it's pretty much impossible to find good real food. I would suggest that you try to find a farmer's market/bakery/health food store, but that might not be viable depending on where you live.

Very much related to this topic, so I'm going to recommend this:

Super quick read (like half an hour?), good rules of thumb for eating FOOD.

 

[Jewbacca]

Everyone needs glucose, glucose is what your body uses to create ATP.
So when you see glucose dont freak out, your body can use that up pretty quickly.

The problem lies in TOO MUCH FUCKING SUGAR, and it isnt the good sugars. Fructose rapes your asshole, it gets processed by your liver in a similar fashion to ethanol.

You know how you ask your parents a question when you are young and you get thrown around with "go ask your dad" "go ask your mom" forever, that is pretty much what happens to fructose, then your liver says fuck it Ill take care of it.

And Apricots are the best according to that chart.

 

[kame-sennin]

I don't drink anything besides water, organic milk and orange juice or those Odwalla juices on occasion anyway.

I recently stopped organic milk for some reason and am drinking Rice Milk a lot for some reason.

I often have fruit smoothies, but it's blending real fruits and vegetables together. I often make smoothies in the morning with fresh strawberries, bananas, carrots, raspberries or blackberries in combination. Fruits must have a lot of sugar, but does that mean I have to remove fruit from my diet? If they have fiber in them, I assume it's okay to have them....but to me it sounds ludicrous to remove fruit from your diet because they have fructose or sucrose

According to that chart, grapes look phenomenal.

I think I'll buy some at the store.

The simplest way to look at the fruit situation is like this:

If you eat the whole fruit, you are fine. If you separate the juice from the flesh of the fruit, you are taking in the sugar without the fiber (that's the flesh), which is not so good. The flesh of the fruit prevents you from in-taking too much sugar in a single sitting, and I think the fiber prevents the fructose from overwhelming your liver. I imagine smoothies are fine as long as you are blending the whole fruit and you are not adding extra sugar.

Rice milk is a sweetened drink. The only reason cow's milk is supposed to be ok is because it is sweetened by lactose which is not as strong as fructose. Personally, I don't drink milk, but I wouldn't recommend replacing it with sugared soy milk or rice milk. Humans can get by totally fine on water anyway.

 

[Dogenzaka]

The simplest way to look at the fruit situation is like this:

If you eat the whole fruit, you are fine. If you separate the juice from the flesh of the fruit, you are taking in the sugar without the fiber (that's the flesh), which is not so good. The flesh of the fruit prevents you from in-taking too much sugar in a single sitting, and I think the fiber prevents the fructose from overwhelming your liver. I imagine smoothies are fine as long as you are blending the whole fruit and you are not adding extra sugar.

Rice milk is a sweetened drink. The only reason cow's milk is supposed to be ok is because it is sweetened by lactose which is not as strong as fructose. Personally, I don't drink milk, but I wouldn't recommend replacing it with sugared soy milk or rice milk. Humans can get by totally fine on water anyway.

Oh, well looks like I'm good on smoothies. I never add sugar, just whole fruits. Sometimes I go to Smoothie King which uses turbinado (raw, unprocessed sugar), I wonder if that's okay?

Hmm, I checked the back of Rice milk and it didn't have any sucrose or hfcs in the ingredients, and less sugar than orange juice. Hmm.

 

[Einbroch]

Crystal Light.

Deeeeeelicious.

 

[Mgoblue201]

Sugar is not bad. Fat is not bad. Cholesterol is not bad. Salt is not bad.
A normal human can consume all of these things, even in large quantities, with no negative affects. Excess consumption with no physical activity to match it is the problem.

Health nuts are on the same level as PETA.
It doesn't matter how far you go in trying to get healthy food. Those fresh organic crops have shit all over them. That healthy soy-based crap will give you cancer. Crap you grow in your own garden will leech heavy metals and other pollutants from the soil.

All food is poison. A healthy body will make use of the food and get rid of the shit (as actual shit!). Any dietary advice beyond "moderation and exercise" or "I'm your doctor, and we've determined you have condition X, and thus need to take action Y with regards to your diet" is bullshit.

That sounds like a convenient morality tale in which only disastrous consequences can arise from one's lack of willpower, but it completely ignores the physiological effect that food actually plays. It is certainly true that you can mitigate certain affects through moderation, but anything deleterious can be done halfway. That does not mean that it is not adverse. Besides that, these foods actually make it harder to do anything in moderation because of the role they play in the actual feeling of hunger. The question is, why are people consuming more calories? It could be a social issue, but more likely it is a physiological issue.

I say this after just having consumed a brownie.

 

[moniker]

Everyone needs glucose, glucose is what your body uses to create ATP.
So when you see glucose dont freak out, your body can use that up pretty quickly.

While true, you don't need to get it from carbs/sugar. Carbohydrates are not essential nutrients.

 

[Vice]

While true, you don't need to get it from carbs/sugar. Carbohydrates are not essential nutrients.

Really? I've been taught the total opposite for years.

 

[Mgoblue201]

Isn't everything usable converted into glucose anyway?