Substance Engine benchmark implies PS4 CPU is faster than Xbox One's
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DangerMouse
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Man, well done Cerny dev team, looks like they did well on pretty much every component.
Portugeezer
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Better GPU, better CPU, better RAM, better bandwidth. Anything PS4 doesn't have better than Xbox One?
Is the truth out yet, Larry?
That wasn't the CPU (I can't remember what it was for, but people asked and all I remember is that it was not for the CPU).
Is the truth out yet, Larry?
That wasn't the CPU (I can't remember what it was for, but people asked and all I remember is that it was not for the CPU).
HORRORSHØW
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He is the shilliest shill on here.so basically it has only been about a month and already every single point in that post by albert has proven to be utter bullshit or misdirection
DangerMouse
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LOL
That's the Wi Fi frequency, I think. It may also be RAM speed. Not sure either way. Not CPU though.
WiFi is 2.4GHz.
for PC sure. In consoles though games won't be probably bottlenecked by CPUs. Both consoles don't even have 2TF GPU so there isn't really anything to get bottlenecked by.
And games like Civ5 or Shogun are rather rare on consoles. Last thing you need mostly strong CPU is AI and physic and again both consoles and especially PS4 will be doing ton of compute on their GPU giving effects above what is even possible on best CPU.
Throwing "it is shit" without context is shitty imo.
Hydrargyrus
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Yes, this is technical fellow
Sword Of Doom
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Wow that's great
IVIEDICATED
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Persecution complex? Fact is Microsoft claimed to have the faster CPU just to now be bullshit. Yet they always wanted to talk specs despite the losing battle that turned out to be. Microsoft couldn't secure the GDDR5 RAM they wanted and because they were deathly afraid of launching a year later like they probably originally planned they rushed the X1 to market. Had they waited and put everything into it they'd wanted to they would've might have been better off but with the popularity of the PS4 hell maybe the outcome would be the same and they'd be behind the PS4 anyway. My biggest thing is IF you don't have the hardware to backup the numbers then don't leave yourself open to controversy by touting numbers when you don't know exactly what your competitors are. Penello only posted on here for damage control and he himself doesn't even know what the numbers he gave mean he spread more misinformation than anything else.
This all proves that panicked at the last minute an upclocked the CPU and GPU to try to get at least in the same ballpark as Sony.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-cpu-speed-increased-in-production-hardware
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-cpu-speed-increased-in-production-hardware
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Info on the PS4 & Xbox1's Wireless Chips:
PS4: Marvell Avastar 88W8797 (http://www.marvell.com/wireless/avastar/88W8797/, http://www.marvell.com/wireless/assets/marvell_avastar_88w8797.pdf)
Xbox1: Marvell Avastar 88W8897 (http://www.marvell.com/wireless/avastar/88W8897/, http://www.marvell.com/wireless/avastar/88W8897/assets/Marvell-Avastar-88W8897-SoC-PB.pdf)
I'm pretty sure only devices that have Dual-band WiFi, can do WiFi Direct. The Direct connect between the PS4 & PS Vita is probably "Wireless Ad-Hoc Mode".
Dat Turbo Core technology!?
PlayStation 4 CPU using AMD Turbo Core to go from 1.6GHz up to 2.75Ghz ?
Freaking logic. Test shows spectrum from mobile performance to high-end desktop performance. Its like given that i7 is for desktop CPU and there are no i7 desktop CPUs with two cores.
How mobile i7 far to this? Like what would be a reason to test mobile unit for highest spectrum of Your performance test?
Sure, counting two GPU series when there are more is not error at all... Also saying that average people are using dual cores, when the split is even is not error at all.
And what contradicts steam survey? I dont know, maybe millions of mid-tier and high end GPUs being sold every year? With 60m steam playerbase, it would mean that in last 3 years mid-tier and high end GPUs sold less than 6-7m units, which is absolutely wrong.
Or maybe the fact that survey it is not required by Valve, so its not even good representation of Steam userbase, let alone PC playerbase. Like for example, i have never done it and i've been using Steam for 8 years.
quickwhips
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Seeing the OS for XO at launch, hardware, inferior dev tools, pricing, etc. What other evidence do you need that suggests it was rushed out the door to compete with Sony's launch? Its half-baked. Especially the OS and tools.
That SCREAMS panic. Not to mention a few insiders have stated as much before launch.
Honestly curious how you deduce it wasn't panic from all the info we know.
If they truly intended to launch next year and panicked because of Sony I'm actually impressed with what they managed to put out. The idea that Sony caught them off guard and they said "oh shit, gotta launch a year earlier" and the console actually released is fascinating to think about. Of course that means that MS pretty much fucked themselves for the next 5-6 years but that's for fanatics to deal with.
Coulomb_Barrier
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This makes it even more annoying that R. Leadbetter @ DF continued the line that the XB1 has the superior CPU, for some reason. When it actually appears it's the total opposite.
What a slap in the face. Another blow to investigative journalism in the gaming industry, what with Leadbetter acting as the mouthpiece for XB1's ludicrous 'technical fellow' in a series of articles.
What a slap in the face. Another blow to investigative journalism in the gaming industry, what with Leadbetter acting as the mouthpiece for XB1's ludicrous 'technical fellow' in a series of articles.
Where is Rich on all the head-to-head articles lately? He was quick to jump on the PS3 for having a few less pixels than the 360 version of some games and now that's there's a 50% pixel output delta he's nowhere to be found.
NoMoreTrolls
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ai does not run well on gpus
No one should be surprised about any of this anymore, although shortly we'll be told that there is no problem by a game journalist.
andromeduck
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monolithic AI's don't run well on GPUs because they're really bad at branching but we could see major benefits if we leverage it to do something like 1000 advanced fish AIs or bulk processing a lot of random data as with simple neural networks
i don't think that has a whole lot of use cases
big fat cpu threads still have a lot of uses that can't be replicated on a thousand tiny gpu cores, that's not going to change for a long while if ever and it's an area where the consoles are severely gimped
Pound_lb003
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Uggh, I hate hearing people poopoo the CPUs of these machines.
Makes me yearn for more power at the PS4 price.
Makes me yearn for more power at the PS4 price.
MeBecomingI
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People would just poopoo a more powerful CPU anyway and the same complaining would still be happening.
that's a weird presumption to make
the consoles use netbook cpu cores, and the fact that there's 8 of them only mitigates so much
calling them kinda bad is totally reasonable
closed box makes a big difference.
And a fresh i7 can't even muster being twice as fast as the PS4's offering...
Seems to indicate the CPUs in the Xbone and PS4 are fairly solid contenders after all.
;-)
more so in terms of gpu calls than cpu
and i'd say the consoles are wayyyyyyy weaker on the cpu side than the gpu
Killroyskbg
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You know that computers are not only for games right?
And since you did not do the survey no one with high end GPU´s did it but the ones with other GPU´s did? It is a sample just like every other and could very probably be an indication on the average.
Most of my friends play on laptops or cheap workstations they also use for school or work. Maybe 5% have dedicated gaming PC.
There was no evidence PS4 has a better CPU at all before this. Sony could have said something..
SneakyStephan
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There's a lot of genres that are cpu bottlenecked and not gpu bottlenecked
Most open world games (saint's row 4 for example requires a powerful cpu to get 60 fps)
rts or turn based strategy games like civ
mmos in general
something unique like natural selection 2 which is a fps with rts elements and hundreds of entities on a map
there's a lot of gameplay ideas/mechanics that devs won't be able to implement with a weaker cpu, or games that will be 30 fps because of it
then there's the many devs who might have sweet gameplay ideas but not the technical prowess to make their engine properly support 8 cores , you have to remember that the i3 equivalent performance is ONLY if you can have perfect scaling on all 8 cores
There was no evidence the XB1 had a better CPU, yet we got XB1 has a better CPU articles.
To be honest, I wouldn't read too much into this.
Missing tiling
so basically it has only been about a month and already every single point in that post by albert has proven to be utter bullshit or misdirection
I have posted before of his straight up lies . Including ESRAM numbers that he said were confirmmed back in his office and then just same day latter the tech fellow present showed totally different number.
Most predicted he will be no where to be seen after pre launch damage control. He reminds me of bluray vs hdvd fud prophet
Because he just doesn't talk about xb1 but also directly puts down ps4 and sony.
Still waiting for his apology he promised.
It was said to be better because the upclock did make the XB1s better than the 1.6Ghz CPU PS4 had earlier in the year (and with no mention or hint of an upgrade).
travisbickle
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That is the quote where my opinion went from "this guy is a professional trying to speak directly to fans" to "holy shit, this guy is being paid to FUD".
So, out of your ass. Thanks for making it clear.
You only need a very small sample size to get representative results, and Steam Survey is a huge sample size.
Mr. Pointy
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IIRC, the PS4 has an ARM CPU built in with 256MB RAM for some of the OS functions. It's probably using 1 core from the main CPU to drive its OS as well.
And I think the Xbone is using 2 CPU cores for its OS.
And I think the Xbone is using 2 CPU cores for its OS.
ShadowkillXNA
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Edit: Nevermind I didnt realise this was a Penello quote lol